JOHN 1:1 who is the WORD?

[NickHassan]

Hi MB,
Two became one.
The body of Christ is akin to marriage.[Eph 5.26f]
The WORD spoke through the vessel of Jesus and had come from God[jn 8.42, jn 16.28]

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 24 2012,19:12)

Hi MB, Indeed flesh men enter the kingdom now lk 16.16, 1peter 1.3-4

Read 1 Peter again, Nick. The inheritance is “kept in heaven for you”.

We are trying to “push our way in” by living our flesh existence according to God's will. Flesh cannot enter into the Kingdom of God.

[mikeboll64]

Let me try this again:

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 24 2012,04:27)

The Word that said he proceeded forth and came from God[jn8.42]

John 13:3
Jesus knew that the Father had put all things under his power, and that he had come from God and was returning to God;

Nick, did Jesus LITERALLY return to God?  If so, then why not accept that he also LITERALLY came from God?

Did Jesus LITERALLY ascend to “where he was before”?   If so, then why not accept that he also LITERALLY descended from there?

Try answering just the bolded, supersized ones with a DIRECT answer first.

[terraricca]

N

put your glasses on wen you read Mikes question so you can answered from scriptures

[terraricca]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 25 2012,15:56)

Hi T, The WORD is of the SPIRIT. Know Christ Jesus as SPIRIT by rebirth from above. Now the Lord is the Spirit.

N

you can not accept the words Christ spoked how do you going to accept the spirit of things you can not see if you can not believe in what you can phisicly read

is this an oximoron ? in you

[Ed J]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 25 2012,11:09)

Quote (Ed J @ April 23 2012,22:53) Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 24 2012,10:27) And were they LITERALLY not in the flesh anymore, Ed?  Or was that a metaphorical way of speaking, like Peter saying they were “born anew”? Hi Mike, “Be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind” (Rom.12:2) “The carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.” (Romans 8:7) “Put off concerning the former conversation the old man, which  is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts; 23 And be renewed in the spirit of your mind; 24 And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness. (Eph 4:22-24) And out of the two choices I listed in my quote above, which one is the answer to these scriptures you quoted, Ed? Did the human disciples of Jesus continue to consist of flesh until the day they died?  Or did some of them change into invisible spirit beings before they died?

Hi Mike,

That is referring to one's 'thinking';
one is carnally the other “Spiritually”.
That verse is not about the condition
of the anatomy of the husk you reside in.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[kerwin]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 25 2012,06:08)

Hi KW, No flesh means NO FLESH.

Nick,

Why is God concerned with flesh if there is no flesh in the world to come?

[kerwin]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 25 2012,06:24)

Quote (kerwin @ April 24 2012,16:17) Matthew 24:22 King James Version (KJV) 22And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened. So why speak of flesh being saved if flesh is not saved? Apparently, at the time of the great tribulation, some of God's elect are still flesh and blood human beings.  (144,000 of them, according to Revelation) But if these 144,000 consist of flesh at that time, then they have not yet been born again from above of water and spirit.

Mike,

Why is God concerned with flesh if there is no flesh in the World to Come.

[jammin]

ill repeat
to those who do not believe that the word in john 1.1 is the son of GOD

let me post the verse

John 1:14

Easy-to-Read Version (ERV)

14 The Word became a man and lived among us. We saw his divine greatness—the greatness that belongs to the only Son of the Father. The Word was full of grace and truth.

pls answer first my question
what did john said??

did he say the word is

1.the son of GOD or

2.the holy spirit?

pls choose the number 1 or 2

[kerwin]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 25 2012,07:30)

Let me try this again: Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 24 2012,04:27) The Word that said he proceeded forth and came from God[jn8.42] John 13:3 Jesus knew that the Father had put all things under his power, and that he had come from God and was returning to God; Nick, did Jesus LITERALLY return to God?  If so, then why not accept that he also LITERALLY came from God? Did Jesus LITERALLY ascend to “where he was before”?   If so, then why not accept that he also LITERALLY descended from there? Try answering just the bolded, supersized ones with a DIRECT answer first.

Mike,

Here are two Scriptures that answer your question.

James 1:17
King James Version (KJV)

17Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning.

Hebrews 11:6
King James Version (KJV)

6But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.

[NickHassan]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 25 2012,12:28)

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 24 2012,19:12) Hi MB, Indeed flesh men enter the kingdom now lk 16.16, 1peter 1.3-4 Read 1 Peter again, Nick.  The inheritance is “kept in heaven for you”. We are trying to “push our way in” by living our flesh existence according to God's will.  Flesh cannot enter into the Kingdom of God.

Hi MB,
You want scripture to argue with it self again.

We do not receive the fullness of the promise till the return of King Jesus. Now we have but an earnest of the Spirit. Eph 1.13-14.

The full inheritance in Christ is now kept for us in heaven.

[NickHassan]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 25 2012,12:30)

Let me try this again: Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 24 2012,04:27) The Word that said he proceeded forth and came from God[jn8.42] John 13:3 Jesus knew that the Father had put all things under his power, and that he had come from God and was returning to God; Nick, did Jesus LITERALLY return to God?  If so, then why not accept that he also LITERALLY came from God? Did Jesus LITERALLY ascend to “where he was before”?   If so, then why not accept that he also LITERALLY descended from there? Try answering just the bolded, supersized ones with a DIRECT answer first.

Hi MB,
You mean Jesus Christ?

Two became one and we no longer know him according to the flesh[2Cor5]

Jesus Christ returns to where the Word was with God.

[kerwin]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 25 2012,07:12)

Hi MB, Indeed flesh men enter the kingdom now lk 16.16, 1peter 1.3-4

Nick,

That is the glory which believers had with Yahweh before the world was.

[NickHassan]

Hi KW,
No flesh could survive the great tribulation should God not have shown mercy and halved the length of that tribulation.
This salvation has nothing to do with the salvation that is for those in Jesus Christ.
They do not face the wrath of God[1Thess 5.9]

[NickHassan]

Quote (kerwin @ April 25 2012,13:51)

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 25 2012,07:12) Hi MB, Indeed flesh men enter the kingdom now lk 16.16, 1peter 1.3-4 Nick, That is the glory which believers had with Yahweh before the world was.

Hi KW,
There were no human believers before genesis.

[kerwin]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 25 2012,08:55)

Quote (kerwin @ April 25 2012,13:51) Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 25 2012,07:12) Hi MB, Indeed flesh men enter the kingdom now lk 16.16, 1peter 1.3-4 Nick, That is the glory which believers had with Yahweh before the world was. Hi KW, There were no human believers before genesis.

Nick;

I am not stating there were; I am stating:

Romans 8:29
King James Version (KJV)

29For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

[kerwin]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 25 2012,08:53)

Hi KW, No flesh could survive the great tribulation should God not have shown mercy and halved the length of that tribulation. This salvation has nothing to do with the salvation that is for those in Jesus Christ. They do not face the wrath of God[1Thess 5.9]

Nick,

My question is:

Why does God care if flesh is saved if there is no need for flesh?

Your answer is:

1 Thessalonians 5:9
King James Version (KJV)

9For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,

But Scripture paraphrases the idea of the salvation of flesh with these words:

Romans 8
King James Version (KJV)

23And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.

[jammin]

ill repeat
to those who do not believe that the word in john 1.1 is the son of GOD

let me post the verse

John 1:14

Easy-to-Read Version (ERV)

14 The Word became a man and lived among us. We saw his divine greatness—the greatness that belongs to the only Son of the Father. The Word was full of grace and truth.

pls answer first my question
what did john said??

did he say the word is

1.the son of GOD or

2.the holy spirit?

pls choose the number 1 or 2

[NickHassan]

Hi KW,
Yes God knows the future and who will respond.
All men and animals start life as flesh.

God rescues flesh man to become spiritual men in His new creation.
But the flesh has no future and remains in the dust of earth.

[kerwin]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 25 2012,10:25)

Hi KW, Yes God knows the future and who will respond. All men and animals start life as flesh. God rescues flesh man to become spiritual men in His new creation. But the flesh has no future and remains in the dust of earth.

Nick,

Why would you say that, which God said was very good, has no future?

Genesis 1:31
King James Version (KJV)

31And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.

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