JOHN 1:1 who is the WORD?

[mikeboll64]

Quote (kerwin @ April 23 2012,18:47)

It is very simple a being only comes to exist once and Scripture testifies both John the Baptist and Jesus came into existence within their respective mother's inner parts.

Kerwin,

There are MANY scriptures that contradict what you say.  Phil 2:6 DIRECTLY contradicts your claims by telling of an existence Jesus was having before he emptied himself and was made into the likeness of men.

You are continually confusing “conceived” with “origin of ANY being”.  But “conceived” refers to beings that are born in wombs.  It speaks NOTHING about a being who already existed in a different form.

What you claim is that it is IMPOSSIBLE for God to right now cause Gabriel to be conceived in a human woman's womb, and to be born of that woman as a human being.  You would seriously choose to argue that it would be IMPOSSIBLE for God to do such a thing?  

When you actually STATED in your own words about it being IMPOSSIBLE for God, I about fell out of my chair.

Listen Kerwin, NOTHING is impossible for God.  God can raised up children for Abraham from STONES.  And He could do that by means of causing them to be conceived in, and born from the womb of a human woman if He wanted to.

Your position is not only weak and flawed, but it calls for YOU to start telling us what is and isn't POSSIBLE for God Almighty.  Let it go, Kerwin.  Concentrate on finding a SINGLE scripture that PROHIBITS the pre-existence of Jesus.

Quote (kerwin @ April 23 2012,18:47)

You also seem confused by the fact that Jesus is in God…………..

No, no, no.  We won't be playing the “diversion game” this time.

The project is for you to produce ONE SINGLE SCRIPTURE that would either prohibit Jesus from pre-existing, or make it abundantly clear that he was never anything other than a human being.

(Btw, I have invited you to partake in a question in the “Fruit of Doctrine” thread if you have the time.  The question should be on the last page of the thread – and I've listed you by name for easy reference.)

[mikeboll64]

Quote (kerwin @ April 23 2012,18:50)

Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 24 2012,05:27) Quote (Ed J @ April 23 2012,17:16) “But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you.” (Romans 8:9) And were they LITERALLY not in the flesh anymore, Ed?  Or was that a metaphorical way of speaking, like Peter saying they were “born anew”? Jesus and Paul both taught that flesh cannot enter into the Kingdom of God.  That Kingdom is in heaven, with Jesus presiding over it for the time being. Mike, Neither taught what you say; the Gnostics did.

John 3
5 Jesus answered, “I tell you the truth, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless he is born of water and the Spirit. 6 Flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spirit gives birth to spirit. 7 You should not be surprised at my saying, ‘You must be born again.’ 8 The wind blows wherever it pleases. You hear its sound, but you cannot tell where it comes from or where it is going. So it is with everyone born of the Spirit.”

Flesh gives birth to flesh, Kerwin.  Until you are no longer flesh, you are not born again from above of the Spirit.  Look at verse 8.  Were people only able to hear the disciples of Jesus?  Were they not able to see them walking so that they knew where they came from?  THAT is how it will be with those who are born of the Spirit.  They will no longer be flesh, but be invisible to human eyes like angels and the wind.

So until YOU are invisible, and no longer consist of flesh, you have not been born again from above.

Btw, I have no idea what the Gnostics taught, nor do I base my understanding on anything they may have taught. I base my beliefs on the very written word of God, and nothing else.

[NickHassan]

Hi MB,
No the Holy Spirit of God is given to us.
We are begotten of the Spirit.

The Holy Spirit is in us with our spirit.[Rom8]
Since our spirit leaves at death [ecc12] your scenario is untrue.

[Marlin1]

Hi Kerwin,

Quote

The Spirit can not work with the mortal body but requires an  immortal body that is not subject to frustration.

This statement as written is not true.  The spirit works within the mortal bodies of Christ's bride.  One day this mortal body will put on immortality, but until then those mortals that are His resist satan until we be taken away.  Then there will truly be hell on earth.

God bless
Marlin

[NickHassan]

Hi MB,
Are you unaware that those there at Pentecost received the baptism of the Spirit?

[terraricca]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 24 2012,20:11)

Hi MB, No the Holy Spirit of God is given to us. We are begotten of the Spirit. The Holy Spirit is in us with our spirit.[Rom8] Since our spirit leaves at death [ecc12] your scenario is untrue.

N

NO ;WE; OR US; this is self indulgence and not supported in scriptures except under conditions,

read you bible more closely

[jammin]

Quote (Ed J @ April 24 2012,00:47)

Quote (jammin @ April 24 2012,00:08) Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 23 2012,05:49) Hi Jammin, the Word WAS God. yes nick that is the nature of the Word, GOD. Hi Jammin, The “HolySpirit” can be nothing but himself; do you agree? God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

let the bible speak
John 1:14

English Standard Version (ESV)

14 And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we have seen his glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father, full of grace and truth.

[Ed J]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 24 2012,10:27)

Quote (Ed J @ April 23 2012,17:16) “But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you.” (Romans 8:9) And were they LITERALLY not in the flesh anymore, Ed?  Or was that a metaphorical way of speaking, like Peter saying they were “born anew”? Jesus and Paul both taught that flesh cannot enter into the Kingdom of God.  That Kingdom is in heaven, with Jesus presiding over it for the time being.

Hi Mike,

“Be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind” (Rom.12:2)
“The carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject
to the law of God, neither indeed can be.” (Romans 8:7)

“Put off concerning the former conversation the old man, which
 is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts; 23 And be renewed
in the spirit of your mind; 24 And that ye put on the new man,
which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness. (Eph 4:22-24)

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Ed J]

Quote (terraricca @ April 24 2012,10:37)

Quote (Ed J @ April 24 2012,16:04) Quote (terraricca @ April 24 2012,08:13) Quote (Ed J @ April 24 2012,14:09) Hi Nick, agreed! Romans 8:16-19 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the “Children of God:” And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together. For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us. For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the “sons of God.” God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org edj this is only true ;if we have the truth of God in us .if not how can ;;The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the “Children of God:” MT 7:24 “Therefore everyone who hears these words of Mine and acts on them, may be compared to a wise man who built his house on the rock. MT 7:26 “Everyone who hears these words of Mine and does not act on them, will be like a foolish man who built his house on the sand. PIERRE, STOP FIGHTING THE BRETHREN; no-one made you judge! “Some indeed preach Christ even of envy and strife; and some (like Nick) also of good will: the one preach Christ of contention, not sincerely,” (Phil 1:15) God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org edj I did not judge you or any body else,I just bring to light the scriptures that could help to understand the truth not opinions I you were my brother you would not teache me lies (untruths) in scriptures ,we are definetly not belong to the same spirit ,we may use the same scriptures,just like the Jews in Jesus time religion leaders, but well you know they did not share the spirit that Christ had right ? no difference today

[Ed J]

Quote (jammin @ April 24 2012,15:36)

Quote (Ed J @ April 24 2012,00:47) Quote (jammin @ April 24 2012,00:08) Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 23 2012,05:49) Hi Jammin, the Word WAS God. yes nick that is the nature of the Word, GOD. Hi Jammin, The “HolySpirit” can be nothing but himself; do you agree? God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org let the bible speak John 1:14 English Standard Version (ESV) 14 And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we have seen his glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father, full of grace and truth.

Hi Jammin,

Does that mean that don't agree?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[jammin]

what did john said??

did he say the word is the son of GOD or the holy spirit?

[kerwin]

Quote (jammin @ April 24 2012,10:36)

Quote (Ed J @ April 24 2012,00:47) Quote (jammin @ April 24 2012,00:08) Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 23 2012,05:49) Hi Jammin, the Word WAS God. yes nick that is the nature of the Word, GOD. Hi Jammin, The “HolySpirit” can be nothing but himself; do you agree? God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org let the bible speak John 1:14 English Standard Version (ESV) 14 And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we have seen his glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father, full of grace and truth.

Jammin,

What does “as of” mean?

[kerwin]

Quote (Marlin1 @ April 24 2012,08:24)

Hi Kerwin, Quote The Spirit can not work with the mortal body but requires an  immortal body that is not subject to frustration. This statement as written is not true.  The spirit works within the mortal bodies of Christ's bride.  One day this mortal body will put on immortality, but until then those mortals that are His resist satan until we be taken away.  Then there will truly be hell on earth. God bless Marlin

Marlin,

I believe we speak of two different contexts as I was addressing when God stated his Spirit would no longer struggle with man as regards lifespan, because man is flesh.

[jammin]

Quote (kerwin @ April 24 2012,19:07)

Quote (jammin @ April 24 2012,10:36) Quote (Ed J @ April 24 2012,00:47) Quote (jammin @ April 24 2012,00:08) Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 23 2012,05:49) Hi Jammin, the Word WAS God. yes nick that is the nature of the Word, GOD. Hi Jammin, The “HolySpirit” can be nothing but himself; do you agree? God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org let the bible speak John 1:14 English Standard Version (ESV) 14 And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we have seen his glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father, full of grace and truth. Jammin, What does “as of” mean?

glory as of the only son from the father means the glory which he received as the Father's only Son

John 1:14

Good News Translation (GNT)

14 The Word became a human being and, full of grace and truth, lived among us. We saw his glory, the glory which he received as the Father's only Son.

now answer my question
what did john said??

did he say the word is the son of GOD or the holy spirit?

[Ed J]

Quote (jammin @ April 24 2012,19:03)

what did john said?? did he say the word is the son of GOD or the holy spirit?

HI Jammin,

He said: “The Word” was GOD.
Do you deny that the “HolySpirit” is GOD?     <– Please answer

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[NickHassan]

Hi,
Jn 1.14
” and THE WORD was made flesh and dwelt among us, and we saw his glory, glory as of the only begotten from the Father, full of grace and truth”

So this is the Word that was with God and was God.

The glorious Word that was begotten of the Father.

The Word that said he proceeded forth and came from God[jn8.42]

[jammin]

edj and nick,

pls answer first my question
what did john said??

did he say the word is the son of GOD or the holy spirit?(john 1.14)

[Ed J]

Quote (Ed J @ April 24 2012,20:08)

Quote (jammin @ April 24 2012,19:03) what did john said?? did he say the word is the son of GOD or the holy spirit? HI Jammin, He said: “The Word” was GOD. Do you deny that the “HolySpirit” is GOD?     <– Please answer God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Jammin?

[Ed J]

Quote (jammin @ April 24 2012,22:06)

edj and nick, pls answer first my question what did john said?? did he say the word is the son of GOD or the holy spirit?

Hi Jammin,

I did answer; my answer is in the post right above this one.
Now will you PLEASE answer my question, Jammin?
The “HolySpirit” is GOD, do you deny this?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[NickHassan]

Hi,

Jn 1.14
” and THE WORD was made flesh and dwelt among us, and we saw his glory, glory as of the only begotten from the Father, full of grace and truth”

Everyone assumes SON should be in this verse.
But it shouldn't.

[Author]

Posts