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Hi Frank
Your expert said
“The view that man has within him an immortal soul which flits off to heaven or to hell at the death of the person is not a biblical doctrine. It has been adopted from the pagan religions. Believing in the immortality of the soul is one step toward believing in re-incarnation. Let us drop all paganism and believe the Sacred Writings which have been inspired by the Most High El – Yahweh (2 Tim. 3:14-17).Certainly the soul is not immortal.[Mt 10.28]
True too that no man since Jesus goes to heaven at death.The depths of earth receives natural men-SHEOL
Jonah went there [jon 2.2] and was rescuedSheol/hades could not hold Jesus [acts 2.27]
He has the keys of death and of hades[rev 1.18]At the judgement death and hades give up their dead [rev20.13]
Since both have no further use they are thrown into the fire[rev 20.14]Of course those in Christ have already passed from death to life[jn5]
They are happily ensconsed in the mansions of Christ till the first resurrectionQuote (jammin @ April 18 2012,19:48) yes jesus said that this is eternal life that they may know the true God.
Hi Jammin,John 17:3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgyes. and Jesus is also called the true God.
read john 1.1the word was GOD.
it speaks about the nature of the Word. the word and the father have the same nature, GOd.john 1.1-3 BNT
When the world began, the Word was already there. The Word was with God, and the nature of the Word was the same as the nature of God. The Word was there in the beginning with God. It was through the agency of the Word that everything else came into being. Without the Word not one single thing came into being.
what is that nature?
let us read again john 1.1
John 1:1English Standard Version (ESV)
The Word Became Flesh1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
that is the nature of the Word, he was GOD before he became flesh (verse 14)
14 And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we have seen his glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father, full of grace and truth.that is also the doctrine of paul that God (Son) manifested in the flesh
ΠΡΟΣ ΤΙΜΟΘΕΟΝ Α΄ 3:1616και ομολογουμενως μεγα εστιν το της ευσεβειας μυστηριον θεος εφανερωθη εν σαρκι εδικαιωθη εν πνευματι ωφθη αγγελοις εκηρυχθη εν εθνεσιν επιστευθη εν κοσμω ανεληφθη εν δοξη
1 Timothy 3:16
King James Version (KJV)
16And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.
who is that God? is it the father or the son? let me post again 1 tim 3.16
1 Timothy 3:16New Living Translation (NLT)
16 Without question, this is the great mystery of our faith[a]:
Christ was revealed in a human body
it is Christ, The son of GOD who is also God by nature.
Philippians 2:5-6
New International Reader's Version (NIRV)
5 You should think in the same way Christ Jesus does.
6 In his very nature he was God.
Matthew 16:16
New International Reader's Version (NIRV)
16 Simon Peter answered, “You are the Christ. You are the Son of the living God.”
PRAISE GOD!
Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 18 2012,13:03) Hi KW, You have a vivid imagination if you think that was to do with the elements.
Nick,All that is required is the ability to read the signs of the sky and of people. The cloud that puts fear into people and leads them to seek shelter is a storm cloud.
Why would Peter offer to build a shelter for a ghost?
Elijah was never found after he went up into heaven and Mosses' grave was not found though it was known where he was buried.
Quote (kerwin @ April 18 2012,22:39) Quote (terraricca @ April 18 2012,09:48) you need more reading
Pierre,If you know something I do not then feel free to share it. I know that neither the soul of the rich man or the soul of Lazarus were sleeping in the parable about them.
Kthe short cup is to read it for yourself
Quote (terraricca @ April 19 2012,04:04) Quote (kerwin @ April 18 2012,22:39) Quote (terraricca @ April 18 2012,09:48) you need more reading
Pierre,If you know something I do not then feel free to share it. I know that neither the soul of the rich man or the soul of Lazarus were sleeping in the parable about them.
Kthe short cup is to read it for yourself
Pierre,Reading is not enough. I seek understanding. This is a forum for debate. I find it aids me in seeking God to do so. If that is not your purpose in being here then why are you here?
Quote (kerwin @ April 19 2012,07:09) Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 18 2012,13:03) Hi KW, You have a vivid imagination if you think that was to do with the elements.
Nick,All that is required is the ability to read the signs of the sky and of people. The cloud that puts fear into people and leads them to seek shelter is a storm cloud.
Why would Peter offer to build a shelter for a ghost?
Elijah was never found after he went up into heaven and Mosses' grave was not found though it was known where he was buried.
Hi KW,
Why speculate?Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 19 2012,04:41) Quote (kerwin @ April 19 2012,07:09) Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 18 2012,13:03) Hi KW, You have a vivid imagination if you think that was to do with the elements.
Nick,All that is required is the ability to read the signs of the sky and of people. The cloud that puts fear into people and leads them to seek shelter is a storm cloud.
Why would Peter offer to build a shelter for a ghost?
Elijah was never found after he went up into heaven and Mosses' grave was not found though it was known where he was buried.
Hi KW,
Why speculate?
Nick,You would have answered Jesus the same way when he said:
Matthew 16:3
King James Version (KJV)3And in the morning, It will be foul weather to day: for the sky is red and lowering. O ye hypocrites, ye can discern the face of the sky; but can ye not discern the signs of the times?
It is about correctly reading the signs put forth in Scripture.
The sign put forth are Peter's offer to build three tabernacles, the cloud that comes rolling in, and Peter's fear.
Does the sign of the tabernacles support your claim that Elijah and Mosses were ghosts?
Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 19 2012,06:11) Hi Jammin,
Yes Christ means anointing.
Jesus of Nazareth was anointed at the Jordan.
nick,i do not need your opinion. you must read in the bible that he became christ at the jordan river. if you cant read your opinion then stop fooling people.
btw, the topic is about john 1.1
stop posting messages that are not related to the topic.Hey All,
jammin is right that we should all try to stay on the thread topic to the best of our ability. I know how easily conversations stray, but he has been asking you guys for three or four pages to get back on topic. Please attempt to do so.
nick,
i do not need your explanation. read your opinion that he became christ at the jordan river. is that the best that you can do?
i do not like story teller.
Hi Jammin,
In the beginning: the HolySpirit was with God and was God; God's HolySpirit is now given to us.
“And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out MY SPIRIT upon all flesh;” (Joel 2:28)God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Nick Hassan @ April 19 2012,05:07) Hi KW,
You are confident in your understandings.Where did I make that claim?
Nick,You would have seen a man, just like me, and just like me the man would read the signs you chose not to.
One is the type of the other.
Read the signs of Scripture and interpret them by the power of God's righteousness.
Peter obviously believed that Elijah and Mosses required shelter but you have been taught nonsense by men, that lacked understanding, and so do not believe.
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