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Quote (jammin @ Mar. 29 2012,21:16) Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 29 2012,17:39) Quote (jammin @ Mar. 29 2012,10:59) Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 29 2012,03:29) Hi Jammin, Were the Scribes and Pharisees not bible scholars?
What do bible scholars have to do with anything?God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
i said make your own version edj,no version that says that the Word in john 1.1 is the holy spirit.
now if you publish your own version, that would be the first version that will support your man made doctine.
Jammin,Genesis 1:1-5 teaches us that God, his Spirit, and his Word were there in the beginning.
kerwin,it says “GOD”
now if you use that word, the bible teaches us that the father and the son have the same nature, GOD.
if i say “GOD”, this is the nature of the father, son and HS.
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now in john 1.1, no translation that says that the word is the HS. that is just your opinion. if you publish your own version, then your man made doctrine will be supported by the your version.
Jammin,You understand what is meant when you Peter has a divine nature not when you are told Jesus does. Can you explain that unless you are using different standards?
The bottom line is Scripture, which cannot be broken, testifies God, the Spirit of God, and his Word were there in the beginning.
Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 29 2012,23:38) Kerwin Quote Pierre, Among others you quoted:
Isa 59:3 For your hands are stained with blood,
your fingers with guilt.
Your lips have spoken lies,
and your tongue mutters wicked things.That is not true of Jesus.
why not
did you not say that he his a mere man ?the fact that some men have received the holy spirit ,does not make them sinless ,or does it
Pierre,Those who live by the saintly spirit stop sinning because there is no sin in it. It is the goal of a Christian to live by the Spirit at all times. That goal can only be reached by the power of God that comes through faith in the name of Jesus Anointed.
God placed the saintly spirit on Jesus because Jesus is his chosen instrument by which all that can be rescued will be saved.
Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 30 2012,12:42) Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 29 2012,23:38) Kerwin Quote Pierre, Among others you quoted:
Isa 59:3 For your hands are stained with blood,
your fingers with guilt.
Your lips have spoken lies,
and your tongue mutters wicked things.That is not true of Jesus.
why not
did you not say that he his a mere man ?the fact that some men have received the holy spirit ,does not make them sinless ,or does it
Pierre,Those who live by the saintly spirit stop sinning because there is no sin in it. It is the goal of a Christian to live by the Spirit at all times. That goal can only be reached by the power of God that comes through faith in the name of Jesus Anointed.
God placed the saintly spirit on Jesus because Jesus is his chosen instrument by which all that can be rescued will be saved.
Kerwinbut Moses was one of the men with the holy spirit ,and yet not exempt from sin or free of the sin of Adam,there must be a difference between a righteous before God and one that has been declare righteous for one reason ,so witch is the one that stands before God in righteousness,and why
?Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 30 2012,12:17) Hi T,
You would apply these things to the lamb of God?
Nno, you do if you believe that Christ was a mere man
Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 30 2012,01:08) Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 30 2012,12:42) Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 29 2012,23:38) Kerwin Quote Pierre, Among others you quoted:
Isa 59:3 For your hands are stained with blood,
your fingers with guilt.
Your lips have spoken lies,
and your tongue mutters wicked things.That is not true of Jesus.
why not
did you not say that he his a mere man ?the fact that some men have received the holy spirit ,does not make them sinless ,or does it
Pierre,Those who live by the saintly spirit stop sinning because there is no sin in it. It is the goal of a Christian to live by the Spirit at all times. That goal can only be reached by the power of God that comes through faith in the name of Jesus Anointed.
God placed the saintly spirit on Jesus because Jesus is his chosen instrument by which all that can be rescued will be saved.
Kerwinbut Moses was one of the men with the holy spirit ,and yet not exempt from sin or free of the sin of Adam,there must be a difference between a righteous before God and one that has been declare righteous for one reason ,so witch is the one that stands before God in righteousness,and why
?
Pierre,Mosses spoke the Word of God as he was carried along by the Holy Spirit while Jesus lives by the Spirit. They are two different aspects of the Spirit of God and the later was not given to anyone but Jesus until Jesus ascended to his throne.
Note: Jesus also speaks the Word of God as he is carried along by the Spirit.
Hi KW,
God gives without repentance and Moses, like Abraham ,Isaac and Jacob is yet alive to God in that Spirit. That Spirit was IN the prophets.[1Peter 1.10f]Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 30 2012,01:36) Hi KW,
God gives without repentance and Moses, like Abraham ,Isaac and Jacob is yet alive to God in that Spirit. That Spirit was IN the prophets.[1Peter 1.10f]
Nick,Here is the Passage you address:
1 Peter 1
New International Version (NIV)10 Concerning this salvation, the prophets, who spoke of the grace that was to come to you, searched intently and with the greatest care, 11 trying to find out the time and circumstances to which the Spirit of Christ in them was pointing when he predicted the sufferings of the Messiah and the glories that would follow. 12 It was revealed to them that they were not serving themselves but you, when they spoke of the things that have now been told you by those who have preached the gospel to you by the Holy Spirit sent from heaven. Even angels long to look into these things.
This is the aspect that the Spirit granted to Mosses and other prophets.
2 Peter 1:21
New International Version (NIV)21 For prophecy never had its origin in the human will, but prophets, though human, spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit.
They looked forward to the Spirit as Advocate, which God sends in the name of Jesus Anointed.
John 14
New International Version (NIV)26 But the Advocate, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you.
The Advocate aspect of the Spirit puts the Law in the minds and writes it on the hearts of believers just as it is written:
Jeremiah 31:33
New International Version (NIV)33 “This is the covenant I will make with the people of Israel
after that time,” declares the LORD.
“I will put my law in their minds
and write it on their hearts.
I will be their God,
and they will be my people.Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 30 2012,13:30) Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 30 2012,01:08) Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 30 2012,12:42) Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 29 2012,23:38) Kerwin Quote Pierre, Among others you quoted:
Isa 59:3 For your hands are stained with blood,
your fingers with guilt.
Your lips have spoken lies,
and your tongue mutters wicked things.That is not true of Jesus.
why not
did you not say that he his a mere man ?the fact that some men have received the holy spirit ,does not make them sinless ,or does it
Pierre,Those who live by the saintly spirit stop sinning because there is no sin in it. It is the goal of a Christian to live by the Spirit at all times. That goal can only be reached by the power of God that comes through faith in the name of Jesus Anointed.
God placed the saintly spirit on Jesus because Jesus is his chosen instrument by which all that can be rescued will be saved.
Kerwinbut Moses was one of the men with the holy spirit ,and yet not exempt from sin or free of the sin of Adam,there must be a difference between a righteous before God and one that has been declare righteous for one reason ,so witch is the one that stands before God in righteousness,and why
?
Pierre,Mosses spoke the Word of God as he was carried along by the Holy Spirit while Jesus lives by the Spirit. They are two different aspects of the Spirit of God and the later was not given to anyone but Jesus until Jesus ascended to his throne.
Note: Jesus also speaks the Word of God as he is carried along by the Spirit.
Kerwinyeah,?? show me with scriptures ,i means the two aspect of the holy spirit
Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 30 2012,02:33) Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 30 2012,13:30) Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 30 2012,01:08) Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 30 2012,12:42) Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 29 2012,23:38) Kerwin Quote Pierre, Among others you quoted:
Isa 59:3 For your hands are stained with blood,
your fingers with guilt.
Your lips have spoken lies,
and your tongue mutters wicked things.That is not true of Jesus.
why not
did you not say that he his a mere man ?the fact that some men have received the holy spirit ,does not make them sinless ,or does it
Pierre,Those who live by the saintly spirit stop sinning because there is no sin in it. It is the goal of a Christian to live by the Spirit at all times. That goal can only be reached by the power of God that comes through faith in the name of Jesus Anointed.
God placed the saintly spirit on Jesus because Jesus is his chosen instrument by which all that can be rescued will be saved.
Kerwinbut Moses was one of the men with the holy spirit ,and yet not exempt from sin or free of the sin of Adam,there must be a difference between a righteous before God and one that has been declare righteous for one reason ,so witch is the one that stands before God in righteousness,and why
?
Pierre,Mosses spoke the Word of God as he was carried along by the Holy Spirit while Jesus lives by the Spirit. They are two different aspects of the Spirit of God and the later was not given to anyone but Jesus until Jesus ascended to his throne.
Note: Jesus also speaks the Word of God as he is carried along by the Spirit.
Kerwinyeah,?? show me with scriptures ,i means the two aspect of the holy spirit
Pierre,See my Mar. 30 2012,02:22 post to Nick.
Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 30 2012,05:37) Quote (jammin @ Mar. 29 2012,21:16) Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 29 2012,17:39) Quote (jammin @ Mar. 29 2012,10:59) Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 29 2012,03:29) Hi Jammin, Were the Scribes and Pharisees not bible scholars?
What do bible scholars have to do with anything?God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
i said make your own version edj,no version that says that the Word in john 1.1 is the holy spirit.
now if you publish your own version, that would be the first version that will support your man made doctine.
Jammin,Genesis 1:1-5 teaches us that God, his Spirit, and his Word were there in the beginning.
kerwin,it says “GOD”
now if you use that word, the bible teaches us that the father and the son have the same nature, GOD.
if i say “GOD”, this is the nature of the father, son and HS.
—-
now in john 1.1, no translation that says that the word is the HS. that is just your opinion. if you publish your own version, then your man made doctrine will be supported by the your version.
Jammin,You understand what is meant when you Peter has a divine nature not when you are told Jesus does. Can you explain that unless you are using different standards?
The bottom line is Scripture, which cannot be broken, testifies God, the Spirit of God, and his Word were there in the beginning.
Hi KW,
Why would you make the Spirit of God as separate from God?Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 29 2012,00:51) I therefore use the same measurements with you as I do with myself and so view your argument as legitimate. I ask you to do the same even if you do not agree with my conclusions.
Fair enough Kerwin.(Keep in mind on this “a god” point, that it's hard to fathom “GOD” being with “God”, and so I have common sense and logic also on my side on this one. The 25 experts of NETNotes are rare in that they are Trinitarians who admit the obvious, but the fact is that it should be pretty obvious to all who read the words, “and the Word was with God”, IMO.)
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 30 2012,04:17) Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 30 2012,05:37) Quote (jammin @ Mar. 29 2012,21:16) Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 29 2012,17:39) Quote (jammin @ Mar. 29 2012,10:59) Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 29 2012,03:29) Hi Jammin, Were the Scribes and Pharisees not bible scholars?
What do bible scholars have to do with anything?God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
i said make your own version edj,no version that says that the Word in john 1.1 is the holy spirit.
now if you publish your own version, that would be the first version that will support your man made doctine.
Jammin,Genesis 1:1-5 teaches us that God, his Spirit, and his Word were there in the beginning.
kerwin,it says “GOD”
now if you use that word, the bible teaches us that the father and the son have the same nature, GOD.
if i say “GOD”, this is the nature of the father, son and HS.
—-
now in john 1.1, no translation that says that the word is the HS. that is just your opinion. if you publish your own version, then your man made doctrine will be supported by the your version.
Jammin,You understand what is meant when you Peter has a divine nature not when you are told Jesus does. Can you explain that unless you are using different standards?
The bottom line is Scripture, which cannot be broken, testifies God, the Spirit of God, and his Word were there in the beginning.
Hi KW,
Why would you make the Spirit of God as separate from God?
Nick,Scripture treats the Spirit as separate from God as it is written:
Ephesians 4
King James Version (KJV)3Endeavouring to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace.
4There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;
5One Lord, one faith, one baptism,
6One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.It also treats the Spirit as part of God as it is written:
1 Corinthians 2:11
King James Version (KJV)11For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.
Both are true.
Hi KW,
The Spirit is God's manifestation in creation and in believers.
He is in heaven of course but one with His SpiritQuote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 30 2012,10:01) Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 29 2012,00:51) I therefore use the same measurements with you as I do with myself and so view your argument as legitimate. I ask you to do the same even if you do not agree with my conclusions.
Fair enough Kerwin.(Keep in mind on this “a god” point, that it's hard to fathom “GOD” being with “God”, and so I have common sense and logic also on my side on this one. The 25 experts of NETNotes are rare in that they are Trinitarians who admit the obvious, but the fact is that it should be pretty obvious to all who read the words, “and the Word was with God”, IMO.)
In the beginning Mike's word was with Mike,
but now Mike's word is in this post at H-net.edj, kerwin, nick
no need for further explanations. just read your opinion in john 1.1
if you cant read your opinion then mke your own versionQuote (Ed J @ Mar. 30 2012,13:30) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 30 2012,10:01) Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 29 2012,00:51) I therefore use the same measurements with you as I do with myself and so view your argument as legitimate. I ask you to do the same even if you do not agree with my conclusions.
Fair enough Kerwin.(Keep in mind on this “a god” point, that it's hard to fathom “GOD” being with “God”, and so I have common sense and logic also on my side on this one. The 25 experts of NETNotes are rare in that they are Trinitarians who admit the obvious, but the fact is that it should be pretty obvious to all who read the words, “and the Word was with God”, IMO.)
In the beginning Mike's word was with Mike,
but now Mike's word is in this post at H-net.
mike's wod was “with” mike?if the word is not a person, mike has a mind problem. this is based on your exmple edj
your doctrine is so funny hahaha
Quote (jammin @ Mar. 30 2012,08:49) edj, kerwin, nick no need for further explanations. just read your opinion in john 1.1
if you cant read your opinion then mke your own version
Jammin,Establishing facts is not explaining. It is a fact that God, his Spirit, and the Word were in the beginning.
There is nothing even hinting at the Anointed until the Sixth Day.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 30 2012,07:43) Hi KW,
The Spirit is God's manifestation in creation and in believers.
He is in heaven of course but one with His Spirit
Nick,What you state sounds true but it does not address the points we were speaking of. Ephesians 4:3-6 teaches us that God and his Spirit each has a separate position in the unity of the Spirit; while 1 Corinthians 2:11 teaches us it is part of God.
The Spirit of God is therefore part of God that serves a different role. You write of that role.
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