JOHN 1:1 who is the WORD?

[kerwin]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 27 2012,08:32)

Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 26 2012,19:35) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 27 2012,07:04) Hi MB, Do you have spiritual eyes? You will need them. There are no verse that SAY Jesus is the WORD. But Jesus Christ is that Word.[rev 19] Nick, It does state Jesus is called the Word.  It also states Jesus is faithful and true; should we replace those words with him as well? I understand you can see the how that is reading into Scriptures. Only in the verses where it is clear that's who is being spoken of, Kerwin. Perhaps you could tell me which particular “Word” the disciples were able to touch with their human hands?

Mike,

1 John 1
King James Version (KJV)

1That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life;
2(For the life was manifested, and we have seen it, and bear witness, and shew unto you that eternal life, which was with the Father, and was manifested unto us;)
3That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ.

John 6:63
King James Version (KJV)

63It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

John 6:68
King James Version (KJV)

68Then Simon Peter answered him, Lord, to whom shall we go? thou hast the words of eternal life.

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Psélaphaó 5584 psēlapháō – properly, touch lightly, “feel after” to discover (personally investigate).

Acts 17
King James Version (KJV)

27That they should seek the Lord, if haply they might feel after him, and find him, though he be not far from every one of us:

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cheir 5495 xeír – properly, hand; (figuratively) the instrument a person uses to accomplish their purpose (intention, plan).

Acts 20:34
King James Version (KJV)

34Yea, ye yourselves know, that these hands have ministered unto my necessities, and to them that were with me.

They ‘personally investigate”d the words of Jesus, the words of eternal life, “with the instrument a person uses to accomplish their purpose”, the purpose of Yahweh.

[Ed J]

Hi Kerwin,

Excellent post!      …but it will probably be ignored. As do
all posts that refute those who believe things unScriptural.

I posted on how Jesus CANNOT be Michael the Archangel
Here and it has been ignored by those who believe he is.

Your brother
in Christ, Jesus.
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
holycitybiblecode.org

[terraricca]

Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 28 2012,19:06)

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 28 2012,11:55) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 27 2012,03:09) Hi MB, Do you think folk touched Jesus like modern idol worshipers scream and want to touch popstars? Not at all, Nick.  In 1 John 1:1, John was doing a fine job of emphasizing that Jesus, the Christ, Word, and Son of God truly came into the world. It's like he was saying, Believe me guys!  He was truly here!  We saw him with our own eyes, touched him with our own hands, and heard his teachings with our own ears!  We were eye-witnesses, why would we lie to you? Have you figured out another “Word” that human beings can touch with their own human hands yet? Hi Mike, “The Word” of life is “The Spirit” of life. (see John 6:63) They handled the word of life by giving it to others. “What? came the word of God out from you? or came it unto you only? (1 Cor 14:36) God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

edj

Jn 6:63 The Spirit gives life; the flesh counts for nothing. The words I have spoken to you are spirit and they are life.
Jn 6:64 Yet there are some of you who do not believe

you can not help yourself you have to present false testimony

compere your version on Jn6;63

[NickHassan]

Hi T,
So why do you not believe?
Understanding counts for nothing.

[terraricca]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 28 2012,20:15)

Hi T, So why do you not believe? Understanding counts for nothing.

N

what should you like me to believe

the truth of God or your men made stories

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 27 2012,19:29)

Hi Kerwin, Excellent post!      …but it will probably be ignored. As do all posts that refute those who believe things unScriptural.

It might be ignored by me because I haven't a clue what point Kerwin is trying to make.

Is he trying to list scriptures he thinks show that humans touched spirits with their hands?

Or is he trying to go against all translations (including the AKJV), and say that “our hands have handled” is not the proper translation of “cheir psélaphaó” in 1 John 1:1?

I don't know the point he is making, and so how could I respond? I do know that the first thing Kerwin does when faced with a scripture that shows his doctrine to be flawed is to research the various meanings of the Greek words used, and try his best to come up with some abstract, out of the blue possibility to created doubt. For instance, in John 1:14, his contention is that the Word married flesh, because he found a rarely used definition of “ginomai” where it could mean “married”.

[kerwin]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 28 2012,08:36)

Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 27 2012,19:29) Hi Kerwin, Excellent post!      …but it will probably be ignored. As do all posts that refute those who believe things unScriptural. It might be ignored by me because I haven't a clue what point Kerwin is trying to make. Is he trying to list scriptures he thinks show that humans touched spirits with their hands? Or is he trying to go against all translations (including the AKJV), and say that “our hands have handled” is not the proper translation of “cheir psélaphaó” in 1 John 1:1? I don't know the point he is making, and so how could I respond?  I do know that the first thing Kerwin does when faced with a scripture that shows his doctrine to be flawed is to research the various meanings of the Greek words used, and try his best to come up with some abstract, out of the blue possibility to created doubt.  For instance, in John 1:14, his contention is that the Word married flesh, because he found a rarely used definition of “ginomai” where it could mean “married”.

Mike,

I chose to put all my ducks in a row.  By the way that is a figure of speech and not to be taken literally.  Both the Ancient Greeks and Hebrews had a language that used such symbolic language.  I just went to Strong's definition of the words in question, experts by the way, and applied them to the scripture.  

Do you doubt that there is eternal life in the words of Jesus Christ?

Do you doubt that John and other apostles personally investigated those words with the instruments used to do so?

Stop behaving like a hypocrite or stop trying to argue that John 1:1 states a god. Appeals to authority are questionable when you choose to doubt that authority when it disagrees with you.

Note:corrected spelling of instruments.

[Ed J]

Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 28 2012,12:06)

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 28 2012,11:55) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 27 2012,03:09) Hi MB, Do you think folk touched Jesus like modern idol worshipers scream and want to touch popstars? Not at all, Nick.  In 1 John 1:1, John was doing a fine job of emphasizing that Jesus, the Christ, Word, and Son of God truly came into the world. It's like he was saying, Believe me guys!  He was truly here!  We saw him with our own eyes, touched him with our own hands, and heard his teachings with our own ears!  We were eye-witnesses, why would we lie to you? Have you figured out another “Word” that human beings can touch with their own human hands yet? Hi Mike, “The Word” of life is “The Spirit” of life. (see John 6:63) They handled the word of life by giving it to others. “What? came the word of God out from you? or came it unto you only? (1 Cor 14:36) God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Hi Mike,

What about this post?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[terraricca]

Kerwin

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Do you doubt that John and other apostles personally investigated those words with the interments used to do so?

who is talking about words it seems you also can not read ,John 1;1,Rev;19 John 1;14 and others

before insulting look first at your own views to see if they are according to the truth

[Ed J]

Hi Pierre,

It is you who does not understand those verses and then,
when they are explained to you, your turn your back to truth.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[terraricca]

Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 28 2012,22:52)

Hi Pierre, It is you who does not understand those verses and then, when they are explained to you, your turn your back to truth. God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Edj

Do you know why
Jesus used parables ??

[Ed J]

Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 28 2012,16:54)

Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 28 2012,22:52) Hi Pierre, It is you who does not understand those verses and then, when they are explained to you, your turn your back to truth. God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org Edj Do you know why Jesus used parables ??

Yep

[terraricca]

Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 28 2012,23:56)

Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 28 2012,16:54) Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 28 2012,22:52) Hi Pierre, It is you who does not understand those verses and then, when they are explained to you, your turn your back to truth. God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org Edj Do you know why Jesus used parables ?? Yep

Good

[kerwin]

Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 28 2012,09:33)

Kerwin Quote Do you doubt that John and other apostles personally investigated those words with the interments used to do so? who is talking about words  it seems you also can not read ,John 1;1,Rev;19  John 1;14 and others before insulting look first at your own views to see if they are according to the truth

Pierre,

I apologize for the miss-spelling.

I challenge you to read:

John 6:68
King James Version (KJV)

68Then Simon Peter answered him, Lord, to whom shall we go? thou hast the words of eternal life.

Did Peter tell Jesus he was the Word of eternal life or does he instead state Jesus has the Word of eternal life?

You will find no life in Jesus, even though it is there, if you do not obey his words.

[terraricca]

Kerwin

John 6:68
King James Version (KJV)

68Then Simon Peter answered him, Lord, to whom shall we go? thou hast the words of eternal life.

what is it that Peter talks about did he talks about Christ or about what Christ was preaching

to me Peter was referring to Christ teachings no ?

[jammin]

christ is the Word in john 1.1

he has the same nature as the father

john1.1 BNT
When the world began, the Word was already there. The Word was with God, and the nature of the Word was the same as the nature of God.

he is truly GOD

the thread has been answered.

[Ed J]

Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 29 2012,01:52)

Kerwin John 6:68 King James Version (KJV) 68Then Simon Peter answered him, Lord, to whom shall we go? thou hast the words of eternal life. what is it that Peter talks about did he talks about Christ or about what Christ was preaching to me Peter was referring to Christ teachings no ?

Hi Pierre,

John 12:49-50 For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me,
he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.
And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I
speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Ed J]

Quote (jammin @ Mar. 29 2012,02:21)

christ is the Word in john 1.1 he has the same nature as the father john1.1 BNT When the world began, the Word was already there. The Word was with God, and the nature of the Word was the same as the nature of God. he is truly GOD the thread has been answered.

Hi Jammin,

“The Word” is an emanation of the father,
NOT ANOTHER PERSON as religion teaches!

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[jammin]

Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 29 2012,02:27)

Quote (jammin @ Mar. 29 2012,02:21) christ is the Word in john 1.1 he has the same nature as the father john1.1 BNT When the world began, the Word was already there. The Word was with God, and the nature of the Word was the same as the nature of God. he is truly GOD the thread has been answered. Hi Jammin, “The Word” is an emanation of the father, NOT ANOTHER PERSON as religion teaches! God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

make your own version edj.

are you better than the bible scholars? do you have formal studies in greek? do you publish your own books?

you have to study hard edj.

your doctrine does not support what the bible says.

make your own version.

[Ed J]

Hi Jammin,

Were the Scribes and Pharisees not bible scholars?
What do bible scholars have to do with anything?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

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