JOHN 1:1 who is the WORD?

[NickHassan]

Hi Tim2,
Which church is this?

[Oxy]

Quote (Tim2 @ April 29 2007,10:21)

Hi Oxy, Seems like you're close to the Trinity doctrine.  Why don't you just accept the conclusions of the church that have been accepted for 1500 years? Tim

Meaning?

[Tim2]

The three ecumenical creeds

http://www.reformed.org/documents/index.html

[942767]

Hi CB:

You say:
The Bible says that there are three deities. Believe the Bible!

And my bible says:

4:6
One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

And also,

1Ti 2:5
For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

Are these verses of scripture in your bible?

God Bless

[Oxy]

Quote (Tim2 @ April 29 2007,12:52)

The three ecumenical creeds http://www.reformed.org/documents/index.html

Far out, that's NOT the God I worship!

[NickHassan]

Hush oxy,
The first law of trinitarianism is to agree and to pretend unity and to oppose those who put scripture first. Do not speak either of the bitter hatred that has led to mass murder among the denominations.

[Oxy]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 29 2007,21:16)

Hush oxy, The first law of trinitarianism is to agree and to pretend unity and to oppose those who put scripture first. Do not speak either of the bitter hatred that has led to mass murder among the denominations.

lol please forgive me Nick, I know not what I do.. hehehe

[Cult Buster]

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4:6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all. And also, 1Ti 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

Look!
Isa 9:6  For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

It seems that you have a problem here 94, because Jesus The Mighty God is referred to here as The everlasting Father.

One God means one Godhead. The Godhead is our Father, so is each Person within, though One holds the “office” of “The Father”.

There is one Godhead, and one mediator between the Godhead and men.   Jesus Christ our mediator, was incarnate as a man yet He was still God.

Open your eyes and look!  

JOHN 20:28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.

TITUS 2:13 ..awaiting our blessed hope, the appearing of the glory of our great God and Saviour Jesus Christ;

JOHN 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
JOHN 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us,

Heb 1:8  But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.

PHILIPPIANS 2:5-6 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: (6) Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:

COLOSSIANS 2:9-10 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.  And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:

1 TIMOTHY 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

Compare
Psa 41:13  Blessed be the LORD God of Israel from everlasting, and to everlasting. Amen, and Amen.
With
MICAH 5:2 But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, {though} thou be little among the thousands of Judah, {yet} out of thee shall he come forth unto me {that is} to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth {have been} from of old, from everlasting.

Compare
1 CHRONICLES 28:9 . . . the Lord searcheth all hearts, and understandeth all the imaginations of the thoughts:
With
MATTHEW 9:4 And Jesus knowing their thoughts said, Wherefore think ye evil in your hearts?
MATTHEW 12:25 And Jesus knew their thoughts, . . .
REVELATION 2:23 . . . I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: . . .

Compare
Isa 40:3  The voice of him that crieth in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the LORD (Jehovah), make straight in the desert a highway for our God.
With (John the Baptist referring to Jesus)
Mat 3:3  For this is he that was spoken of by the prophet Esaias, saying, The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight.

Compare1Sa 2:2  There is none holy as the LORD: for there is none beside thee: neither is there any rock like our God.
With
1Co 10:4  And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.

Compare
Exo 3:14  And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.
With
Joh 8:58  Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.
Joh 18:6  When therefore he said unto them, I am, they went backward, and fell to the ground.

Rom 8:9  But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

Mat 23:24  Ye blind guides, which strain at a gnat, and swallow a camel.  

[NickHassan]

Hi CB,
You lose company even on the wide road with your personalised doctrines.

Three versions of trinity belief on this page yet they claim unity.

[942767]

Quote (Cult Buster @ April 30 2007,00:20)

942767 Quote 4:6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all. And also, 1Ti 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; Look! Isa 9:6  For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. It seems that you have a problem here 94, because Jesus The Mighty God is referred to here as The everlasting Father. One God means one Godhead. The Godhead is our Father, so is each Person within, though One holds the “office” of “The Father”. There is one Godhead, and one mediator between the Godhead and men.   Jesus Christ our mediator, was incarnate as a man yet He was still God. Open your eyes and look!   JOHN 20:28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God. TITUS 2:13 ..awaiting our blessed hope, the appearing of the glory of our great God and Saviour Jesus Christ; JOHN 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. JOHN 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, Heb 1:8  But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom. PHILIPPIANS 2:5-6 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: (6) Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: COLOSSIANS 2:9-10 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.  And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power: 1 TIMOTHY 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory. Compare Psa 41:13  Blessed be the LORD God of Israel from everlasting, and to everlasting. Amen, and Amen. With MICAH 5:2 But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, {though} thou be little among the thousands of Judah, {yet} out of thee shall he come forth unto me {that is} to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth {have been} from of old, from everlasting. Compare 1 CHRONICLES 28:9 . . . the Lord searcheth all hearts, and understandeth all the imaginations of the thoughts: With MATTHEW 9:4 And Jesus knowing their thoughts said, Wherefore think ye evil in your hearts? MATTHEW 12:25 And Jesus knew their thoughts, . . . REVELATION 2:23 . . . I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: . . . Compare Isa 40:3  The voice of him that crieth in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the LORD (Jehovah), make straight in the desert a highway for our God. With (John the Baptist referring to Jesus) Mat 3:3  For this is he that was spoken of by the prophet Esaias, saying, The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight. Compare1Sa 2:2  There is none holy as the LORD: for there is none beside thee: neither is there any rock like our God. With 1Co 10:4  And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ. Compare Exo 3:14  And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you. With Joh 8:58  Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am. Joh 18:6  When therefore he said unto them, I am, they went backward, and fell to the ground. Rom 8:9  But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. Mat 23:24  Ye blind guides, which strain at a gnat, and swallow a camel.

Hi CB:

You say:

Look!
Isa 9:6  For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

It seems that you have a problem here 94, because Jesus The Mighty God is referred to here as The everlasting Father.

One God means one Godhead. The Godhead is our Father, so is each Person within, though One holds the “office” of “The Father”.

And I say:

I believe that you are a little confused and are trying your best to confuse me, but I know what “ONE GOD” means.  You say that “ONE HAS THE OFFICE OF FATHER” and then you refer me to a scripture that Jesus name will be called by several titles including “THE EVERLASTING FATHER”.  So then you are saying both are Jehovah the “ONE GOD” and if Jesus is the “EVERLASTING FATHER”, then both share the office of FATHER”.

It is pointless to discuss the scriptures with you.  You won't admit your mistakes.  You said that there are “THREE DIETIES”.

Ephesians 4:6 states very clearly that there is:
One God and Father of all, who is above all (including Jesus), and through all, and in you all.

Anyway, I love you and desire the very best that God has for you and your family.  I pray that God will give you revelation knowledge in the truth of his Word.

God Bless

[NickHassan]

Hi CB,
So you say there are three persons in God and one of them is The Father.
Then you say all have the office of Father but are unable to show three.
So the Father is just a a meaningless office to you and God is not a father?
Actually God is the father of Jesus by His own Spirit.

[Oxy]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 30 2007,14:18)

Hi CB, So you say there are three persons in God and one of them is The Father. Then you say all have the office of Father but are unable to show three. So the Father is just a a meaningless office to you and God is not a father? Actually God is the father of Jesus by His own Spirit.

Nick, here is a Scripture that might help you.

Joh 14:26 But the Comforter, the Holy Spirit whom the Father will send in My name, He shall teach you all things and bring all things to your remembrance, whatever I have said to you.

If the Holy Spirit and the Father were one and the same, would the Father send Himself? And would the Father travel under His alter ego, ie the Holy Spirit?

And if the Holy Spirit is not an identity in His own right, why did Jesus say whom instead of it?

I have quoted the following Scripture also in the past, but you seem to prefer to put your own interpretation on it.

Joh 16:13 However, when He, the Spirit of Truth, has come, He will guide you into all truth. For He shall not speak of Himself, but whatever He hears, He shall speak. And He will announce to you things to come.

The Holy Spirit is called He six times in this one verse and these are the words of Jesus.

He is the Spirit of Truth
He will come
He will guide
He will speak
He will hear
He will announce

What more do you need?

[NickHassan]

Hi Oxy,
More than inference

[Worshipping Jesus]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 30 2007,22:11)

Hi Oxy, More than inference

NH

You mean like the inference you place on 1 Cor 8:6?

[NickHassan]

Hi w,
1cor 8
' 1Now as touching things offered unto idols, we know that we all have knowledge. Knowledge puffeth up, but charity edifieth.

2And if any man think that he knoweth any thing, he knoweth nothing yet as he ought to know.

3But if any man love God, the same is known of him.

4As concerning therefore the eating of those things that are offered in sacrifice unto idols, we know that an idol is nothing in the world, and that there is none other God but one.

5For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,)

6But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.'

No need for inference.
God speaks.

[Oxy]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 30 2007,22:11)

Hi Oxy, More than inference

So are you saying Jesus just “inferred” that the Holy Spirit is He?

Jesus said it, it is recorded in Scripture. That is good enough for me. If you want to disbelieve Jesus and Scripture then there is no hope for you.

[NickHassan]

Hi Oxy,
Look at Acts 5 and you will see that the Holy Spirit is as God on earth. God did not spawn His Spirit as another person.
The Holy Spirit proceeds from God.

[Oxy]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 01 2007,07:43)

Hi Oxy, Look at Acts 5 and you will see that the Holy Spirit is as God on earth. God did not spawn His Spirit as another person. The Holy Spirit proceeds from God.

You are so right in your own eyes Nick that you can't see the web of deception that has engulfed you. The Scripture I quoted is very plain, but you chose to ignore it.

This is why I stopped coming here before. There are none so blind as those who will not see.

[Oxy]

If you are not going to believe what Jesus said, as quoted in Scripture, then there is no hope for you.

[NickHassan]

Hi Oxy,
That is one approach when what you teach is your own doctrines.
Another is to check them against what is revealed.
Then you may learn to abide.
Our lord told us to.

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