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Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 28 2010,14:47) Hi RM,
So Jesus is not the Son of God?
But he said he is.
I never said he wasn't.Where do you come up with these garbage conclusions?
Is God not able to be a Father and a Son simultaneously via manifestation?
——–Your approach is like saying, if God dwells within us then he can't be in heaven at the same time?
He is omnipotent and omnipresent…
He can be Father in Heaven and Son on earth simultaneously.
Are you limiting God?
Hi RM,
So now your god has become a fatherson?
You do not need to invent these things.
You need to know the Spirit of ChristQuote (Nick Hassan @ June 28 2010,15:32) Hi RM,
Name calling is the resort of the confused and desperate.
Bad fruit?
No it's not, Jesus called the pharisees son's of the devil?Did he produce bad fruit?
Nope.
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In conclusion, you've made an inaccurate statement.Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 28 2010,15:31) Hi RM,
So now your god has become a fatherson?
You do not need to invent these things.
You need to know the Spirit of Christ
My God has has always been everything.
And will continue to be to me and everything else, what he needs to be.He became a son, when we needed to be reconciled back to him.
No greater sacrifice of a father is to give his only begotten son as ransom for all.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 28 2010,09:31) Hi RM,
So now your god has become a fatherson?
You do not need to invent these things.
You need to know the Spirit of Christ
Nicki didnt know you never had a father nor children
Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 28 2010,09:32) Hi RM,
Name calling is the resort of the confused and desperate.
Bad fruit?
Isnt that what you do Nick?
accuse accuse accuse,point fingers
silly boy
Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 28 2010,15:32) Hi RM,
Name calling is the resort of the confused and desperate.
Bad fruit?
Hi Nick,God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (RokkaMan @ June 28 2010,15:41) Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 28 2010,15:32) Hi RM,
Name calling is the resort of the confused and desperate.
Bad fruit?
No it's not, Jesus called the pharisees son's of the devil?Did he produce bad fruit?
Nope.
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In conclusion, you've made an inaccurate statement.
Hi RokkaMan,John 15:17 These things I command you, that ye love one another.
If the world hate you, ye know that it hated me before it hated you.
If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because
ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world,
therefore the world hateth you. Remember the word that I said
unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord. If they have
persecuted me, they will also persecute you; if they have kept
my saying, they will keep yours also. But all these things will
they do unto you for my (יהשוע) name's sake, because they
know not him (יהוה) that sent me.Dude, are you crazy?
You said:
Quote its amazing how you refuse to admit that your wrong about collosians.
Its a general fulllness.
and we were dicussing your “logic” which was ur orginal refutation.
now your logic is gone.Wrong as compared to what? Your version of right? Okay, let's say it is a general fullness. Jesus has “ALL FULLNESS” in him, so he is God – is that your assertion? What's the scripture actually say?
Colossians 1:19 NIV
For God was pleased to have all fullness dwell in him,I deleted the word “his” that is in the NIV to make you happy.
First, it says GOD was pleased to make this happen for His Son. Get it? It pleased Jesus' God to do this thing for him.Second, read this one,
Ephesians 4:13 NIV
until we all reach unity in the faith and in the knowledge of the Son of God and become mature, attaining to the whole measure of the fullness of Christ.Now, think about it Dennison. If by God giving Jesus “all fullness” it made Jesus be God, then by us “attaining to the WHOLE measure of the FULLNESS OF CHRIST”, it means we are striving to be God. Is that how you think? Do you think that someday YOU can be God? If not, then just take it as it is written along WITH all the other scriptures and know that it means Jesus is the greatest being in existence……NEXT TO HIS GOD.
You said:
Quote lol you already worship Jesus. What are you talking about?
You said:
Quote My orginal point is that because he had this general fulllness and he is the LIGHT, WORD, LIFE, POWER, literally, than he we can breath because of him. in other words Jesus is the source of life?
agree or disagree?Ahhhh…..finally a direct question.
Jehovah God is the source of all life, including Jesus'. If God made it so we need oxygen to breathe or we will die, that doesn't mean oxygen is our “source of life”. We need water or we will die, but water is not our “source of life”. Etc, etc….. So, if God decided that we can not come to everlasting life except by means of His Son, it does not mean the Son is the source of that life, only something we need to attain it. And because God chose to create all things THROUGH His Son, it still means God is the source and Jesus is just the means by which He decided to create. Much like water and oxygen is necessary for us to live in these bodies, Jesus is necessary for us to live eternally. Why? BECAUSE JESUS' GOD JEHOVAH SAID THAT'S THE WAY IT'S GOING TO BE.
ps, don't accuse me of playing games. I don't, but you showed last night when it took three attempts to get a single direct question answered that you do. Ask a clear direct question, and I will always give a clear direct answer…..if it's on topic.
peace and love,
mikeQuote (RokkaMan @ June 28 2010,14:41) Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 28 2010,12:45) Hi All, The Greek of 1 Tim 3:16 doesn't have the word “god” in it. At least the MSS used by the NWT and Online Bible Study Tools. The word is “hos”, which means “who”.
http://www.biblestudytools.com/interli….6&t=kjv
peace and love,
mike
Apparently all the translations understood the meaning and context of hos was God himself even if God wasn't used in greek.To further affirm, if you use the same website tool used to dissect the meaning of John 1:1….
It implies that The Word or Hos, as you have provided… IS God.
According to what YOU have provided… Hos is also translated as The Word of God.
And According to what YOU have provided, the same site shows Hos = The Word of God = and The Word of God = Lovgos which = YHVH.
So according to what YOU have provided
which is: http://www.biblestudytools.com/interlinear-bible/1 timothy 3:16 still accurately depicts that the word Hos, meaning which or who, actually still refers to YHVH and that is the person in reference.
So according to what YOU have provided, it was YHVH or God or Lovgos or Hos, that was manifested as flesh.
Thanks for tool, but you were inaccurate in using the tool/interpretation.
It further backs up the mondern day translations.
God I love my KJV!
Hi RM,I'm not sure what you are saying here. The NETBible info I posted says that no mss have theos until the 9th century. And they list much more info on why it is most likely a fabrication by trinitarians.
John 1:1 doesn't ever have “hos” in it that I am aware of. Can you show which Greek mss has “hos”?
And this is what the site I listed says about “hos”,
Transliterated Word TDNT Entry
Hos None
Phonetic Spelling Parts of Speech
hosDefinition
who, which, what, that
Wigram's count is 1309 not 1393.
King James Word Usage – Total: 1392
which 394, whom 262, that 129, who 84, whose 53, what 42, that which 20, whereof 13, miscellaneous 430I don't see in the KJV usage that it was ever used as YHVH, the Word of God or Logos.
I'm confused as to what you imply.
mike
Disclaimer for Roo so he doesn't start crying again.
I am NOT equivolating Jesus with either water or oxygen. He is much more to all of us that those things.
mike
Quote (RokkaMan @ June 28 2010,15:44) My God has has always been everything.
RM,Should we take this literally? If your God is Jesus because your God is “everything”, then your God is also Satan, mikeboll64, viruses, all the evil in the world, etc…..
Please explain
mike
Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 28 2010,14:35) Hi MB,
What do you think?
Hi Nick,I think what Jesus taught and implied. He is absolutely nothing without the Father, his God, just like the rest of creation. All things come FROM the Father, THROUGH His Son, Jesus Christ. The Father is the source of everything, including His Son.
mike
Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 29 2010,14:27) Quote (RokkaMan @ June 28 2010,15:44) My God has has always been everything.
RM,Should we take this literally? If your God is Jesus because your God is “everything”, then your God is also Satan, mikeboll64, viruses, all the evil in the world, etc…..
Please explain
mike
Understand, God is everything, but everything is not God.——–
A newspaper can be a fly swatter, but a fly swatter can't be a newspaper. (if you need a visual).
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God is everything, except sin.
Because sin by definition is everything not of God.
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God created the devil, and also created the independant will he gave to the devil.
Sin being a bi-product thereof.
That is why he took responsibilty for reconciling us through the blood of his only begotten son.
Not because he owed it to us, but because he is God of and in everything.
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Does that mean God is a chair?
No…
It simple means he created the wood that was made into a chair…just like he created the devil and independant will that produces sin.
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Sin is always evil, but evil isn't always sin.
Job helps us understand…if we can receive good from God, why can't we receive evil from him as well?
Was it not God who allowed the devil to do evil to Job?
God doesn't sin, nor tempt with evil…but he sure allows it…making him just as responsible for it.
Though he is never responsible for sin, because sin is exercising our free will to not do what is acceptable to God.
Did I answer to your satisfaction?
Quote (Ed J @ June 28 2010,18:22) Quote (RokkaMan @ June 28 2010,15:41) Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 28 2010,15:32) Hi RM,
Name calling is the resort of the confused and desperate.
Bad fruit?
No it's not, Jesus called the pharisees son's of the devil?Did he produce bad fruit?
Nope.
—–
In conclusion, you've made an inaccurate statement.
Hi RokkaMan,John 15:17 These things I command you, that ye love one another.
If the world hate you, ye know that it hated me before it hated you.
If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because
ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world,
therefore the world hateth you. Remember the word that I said
unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord. If they have
persecuted me, they will also persecute you; if they have kept
my saying, they will keep yours also. But all these things will
they do unto you for my (יהשוע) name's sake, because they
know not him (יהוה) that sent me.
I love Nick.Who says I can't name call and love the one I am calling a name?
That is like saying, you cannot spank your child or else you hate them?
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Now lets not dwell,
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