JOHN 1:1 who is the WORD?

[KangarooJack]

Quote (CatholicApologist @ Oct. 22 2009,13:13)

Protestants and others trying to tell a Catholic what the Bible REALLY says is like someone who steals a letter you wrote, reads it back to you, and tells you what it really means.

Catholics wrote the Bible?

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[Ed J]

AKJV Bible has translated John 1:1 correctly!

“And The Word was God” is correctly translated in (John1:1) the AKJV Bible!
The pieces need to be put together correctly to understand this.

In John1:2: “The Same” was in the beginning with (GOD) Theos.
“The Same” can be none other than “Jesus Christ”!

Hebrews 13:8: “Jesus Christ is “The Same” yesterday, today and forever;
therefore Jesus was in the beginning with GOD.

John 1:1 states: In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God,
AND THE WORD WAS GOD.

The Real Question is: Do you believe the “Holy Spirit” (The Word) to be (Thēôs)?; GOD.
                                              or
Or do you believe the Holy Spirit to be merely ‘a god’?  N.W.T. is translated wrong in John 1:1!

God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[RokkaMan]

The actual word is Logos…which means divine discourse of the universe. Or God of the universe.

In the beginning establishes creation.

There was The Word…establishes Jesus existing as a messege.

The Word was with God (Logos or discourse of the universe)

And the word was God (WAS, the discourse of the universe).

This means both YHWH and The Word were the God/God's of the Universe.

They both controlled it.

But here's what we know…
Jesus is The word/Messege…to me I believe Jesus is God uttering…Let There Be.

That messege is Jesus in itself…communication to creation.

We also know, God directs jesus…and Jesus does only what he is told…or mimicks the father's doing.

So if Jesus is the discourse of the universe….and he's mimmicking HIS God/Father….The father is the one true almight discourse of the universe, while Jesus is the reflection IN creation.

This is how I understand Jesus being God while not being, The Almighty God…YHWH.

Plus while Jesus is the discourse of the universe…YHWH is discourse of the universe and beyond.
—————————————————–
Discourse: communication of thought by words; talk; conversation: earnest and intelligent discourse.

Universe: Uni means single, Verse means a sentence or phrase….

Logos: Discourse of the universe.

We live in a single spoken sentence, that sentence is The Word or Jesus that was uttered by the Almighty God.

[Worshipping Jesus]

Quote (RokkaMan @ Oct. 30 2009,14:59)

The actual word is Logos…which means divine discourse of the universe. Or God of the universe. In the beginning establishes creation. There was The Word…establishes Jesus existing as a messege. The Word was with God (Logos or discourse of the universe) And the word was God (WAS, the discourse of the universe). This means both YHWH and The Word were the God/God's of the Universe. They both controlled it. But here's what we know… Jesus is The word/Messege…to me I believe Jesus is God uttering…Let There Be. That messege is Jesus in itself…communication to creation. We also know, God directs jesus…and Jesus does only what he is told…or mimicks the father's doing. So if Jesus is the discourse of the universe….and he's mimmicking HIS God/Father….The father is the one true almight discourse of the universe, while Jesus is the reflection IN creation. This is how I understand Jesus being God while not being, The Almighty God…YHWH. Plus while Jesus is the discourse of the universe…YHWH is discourse of the universe and beyond. —————————————————– Discourse: communication of thought by words; talk; conversation: earnest and intelligent discourse. Universe: Uni means single, Verse means a sentence or phrase…. Logos: Discourse of the universe. We live in a single spoken sentence, that sentence is The Word or Jesus that was uttered by the Almighty God.

Anathema!

Jesus is not a discourse!

If Jesus is a spoken word or a created being then he is part of the creation and could not be the Creator of all things.

All things came into being through Him, and “apart from Him **nothing came into being that has come into being**. John 1:3 NASB

WJ

[NickHassan]

Hi WJ,
The verse you quote does not say he is the Creator.
His Father is the Creator God.
Please be accurate.

All things came into being THROUGH HIM

[Ed J]

Quote (RokkaMan @ Oct. 31 2009,06:59)

The actual word is Logos…which means divine discourse of the universe. Or God of the universe. In the beginning establishes creation. There was The Word…establishes Jesus existing as a messege. The Word was with God (Logos or discourse of the universe) And the word was God (WAS, the discourse of the universe). This means both YHWH and The Word were the God/God's of the Universe. They both controlled it. But here's what we know… Jesus is The word/Messege…to me I believe Jesus is God uttering…Let There Be. That messege is Jesus in itself…communication to creation. We also know, God directs jesus…and Jesus does only what he is told…or mimicks the father's doing. So if Jesus is the discourse of the universe….and he's mimmicking HIS God/Father….The father is the one true almight discourse of the universe, while Jesus is the reflection IN creation. This is how I understand Jesus being God while not being, The Almighty God…YHWH. Plus while Jesus is the discourse of the universe…YHWH is discourse of the universe and beyond. —————————————————– Discourse: communication of thought by words; talk; conversation: earnest and intelligent discourse. Universe: Uni means single, Verse means a sentence or phrase…. Logos: Discourse of the universe. We live in a single spoken sentence, that sentence is The Word or Jesus that was uttered by the Almighty God.

Hi Rokkaman,

GOD’s most sacred Holy Name [יהוה] was given to us directly from the Hebrew language.
Correctly translating Hebrew into other languages can be difficult however.
Some basic linguistical rules need to be considered when translating Hebrew texts.
These include a lack of spacing between words, as a general rule has no written vowels
and the basic direction in which Hebrew is written (opposite: from right to left).
Hebrew word spacing is a modern advent that distinguishes one word from the next,
aiding both translators and multi-linguists alike. Unwritten “implied” vowel sounds
are a concern because, correct pronunciations of Hebrew words are at risk.

GOD’s Name (יהוה) transliterates directly into English as YHVH because the Hebrew alphabet
lacks vowels. Hebrew has No [W] sound, No [J] sound and the symbol ש is pronounced “Sh”.

[יהוה] GOD’s Name   [י] Yod [ה] Ha [ו] Vav [ה] Hey     is pronounced  YÄ-hä-vā & [יה] YÄ
Strong’s con. Heb. # 3068, 3069 & 3050

The “Divine” “Deity” of “The Bible” is “YHVH”.

God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Worshipping Jesus]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Oct. 30 2009,17:56)

Hi WJ, The verse you quote does not say he is the Creator. His Father is the Creator God. Please be accurate. All things came into being THROUGH HIM

NH

Yea I know, to you by or through means like a dead funnel!

If Jesus had a part of the creating of all things then he is the creator!

If he is not the Creator, then he is the created!

Try again!

WJ

[NickHassan]

Hi WJ,
Are you allowed to add whatever logic shows you to the sacred words without recompense?
Our God loves His word and tampering with it has consequences but perhaps your trinity does not mind?

[Ed J]

YHVH is God=117

Philippians 2:5-6 says: “Let this MIND be in you, which was also in CHRIST Jesus:
6: Who being in the form of God, thought it NOT ROBBERY TO BE EQUAL WITH GOD.”
Christ(77)+Mind(40)=117!

For this thought (equality with God)  caused the Religious Leaders of Jesus day to
crucify him; John 5:18: …“but (Jesus) said also that God was his father, MAKING HIMSELF EQUAL WITH GOD.”

These two scriptures tie directly to what it says in Psalm 82:6: “ have
said all of you [are] children of the most High. JEHOVAH  is the most High (Psalm 83:18).

Now Rev. 21:7 says “He that overcometh shall inherit all things;
and (YHVH=63) “will be”=63 his God, and he shall be my son!

“JEHOVAH SON”=117 or “Son [of] Jehovah’=117!

Psalm 68:4-5: “Sing unto God, sing praises to his name: extol him that rideth upon the heavens by his name JAH, and rejoice before him.
5: A father (117=יהוה האלהים JEHOVAH GOD) to the fatherless (Jesus was physically fatherless), [is] God in his holy habitation.”

This is the very reason Jesus said “OUR FATHER” (Matt. 6:9-10) meaning “Our YHVH”=117!
Because HE, “YHVH is GOD”=117 to all who choose to believe in him (John 17:3).

God bless
Ed J
http:/www.holycitybiblecode.com

[Ed J]

And ο λογος Hō Lōgôs was [θεος] Thēôs; And “The Word” was “God”!

God bless
Ed J
http:www/holycitybiblecode.org

[NickHassan]

Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 02 2009,15:45)

YHVH is God=117 Philippians 2:5-6 says: “Let this MIND be in you, which was also in CHRIST Jesus: 6: Who being in the form of God, thought it NOT ROBBERY TO BE EQUAL WITH GOD.” Christ(77)+Mind(40)=117! For this thought (equality with God)  caused the Religious Leaders of Jesus day to crucify him; John 5:18: …“but (Jesus) said also that God was his father, MAKING HIMSELF EQUAL WITH GOD.” These two scriptures tie directly to what it says in Psalm 82:6: “ have said all of you [are] children of the most High. JEHOVAH  is the most High (Psalm 83:18). Now Rev. 21:7 says “He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and (YHVH=63) “will be”=63 his God, and he shall be my son! “JEHOVAH SON”=117 or “Son [of] Jehovah’=117! Psalm 68:4-5: “Sing unto God, sing praises to his name: extol him that rideth upon the heavens by his name JAH, and rejoice before him. 5: A father (117=יהוה האלהים JEHOVAH GOD) to the fatherless (Jesus was physically fatherless), [is] God in his holy habitation.” This is the very reason Jesus said “OUR FATHER” (Matt. 6:9-10) meaning “Our YHVH”=117! Because HE, “YHVH is GOD”=117 to all who choose to believe in him (John 17:3). God bless Ed J http:/www.holycitybiblecode.com

Hi ED,
The translation in the KJV of Phil 2 seems awkward and reads strangely.
Other versions are far more clear.

[Ed J]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 04 2009,16:57)

Hi ED, The translation in the KJV of Phil 2 seems awkward and reads strangely. Other versions are far more clear.

Hi Nick,

Although I believe the AKJV is the most accurate bible (and anointed of God)
we English people possess, it still has errors. The reason it has errors are obvious, they are…

1) Translational errors (from one language to another)
2) Human error (which accounts for most errors in any accident situation, including the bible)
3) Corruption errors (preconceived  ideas of theology, which corrupts many modern translations)
4) The strict “word for word” AKJV translating parameters can even create errors. (Ex. 3:14 is an example of this type of error.)

Philippians 2:6 is the key issue of the entire bible; putting on the mind of Christ.
Notice how this verse matches the Gematria value of (26=יהוה) JEHOVAH in Hebrew.
I believe this verse (Philip. 2:6) gives an overview of each entire “English translation”.

Understanding “The Truth” of Philip.2:6 demonstrates problem # 3 corruption errors,
that have plagued many modern ‘English Versions’; like the N.W.T JW’s version.

This is why the N.W.T. has translated John 1:1 incorrectly.

God bless
Ed J http://wwwholycitybiblecode.org

[georg]

Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 31 2009,10:15)

Quote (RokkaMan @ Oct. 31 2009,06:59) The actual word is Logos…which means divine discourse of the universe. Or God of the universe. In the beginning establishes creation. There was The Word…establishes Jesus existing as a messege. The Word was with God (Logos or discourse of the universe) And the word was God (WAS, the discourse of the universe). This means both YHWH and The Word were the God/God's of the Universe. They both controlled it. But here's what we know… Jesus is The word/Messege…to me I believe Jesus is God uttering…Let There Be. That messege is Jesus in itself…communication to creation. We also know, God directs jesus…and Jesus does only what he is told…or mimicks the father's doing. So if Jesus is the discourse of the universe….and he's mimmicking HIS God/Father….The father is the one true almight discourse of the universe, while Jesus is the reflection IN creation. This is how I understand Jesus being God while not being, The Almighty God…YHWH. Plus while Jesus is the discourse of the universe…YHWH is discourse of the universe and beyond. —————————————————– Discourse: communication of thought by words; talk; conversation: earnest and intelligent discourse. Universe: Uni means single, Verse means a sentence or phrase…. Logos: Discourse of the universe. We live in a single spoken sentence, that sentence is The Word or Jesus that was uttered by the Almighty God. Hi Rokkaman, GOD’s most sacred Holy Name [יהוה] was given to us directly from the Hebrew language. Correctly translating Hebrew into other languages can be difficult however. Some basic linguistical rules need to be considered when translating Hebrew texts. These include a lack of spacing between words, as a general rule has no written vowels and the basic direction in which Hebrew is written (opposite: from right to left). Hebrew word spacing is a modern advent that distinguishes one word from the next, aiding both translators and multi-linguists alike. Unwritten “implied” vowel sounds are a concern because, correct pronunciations of Hebrew words are at risk. GOD’s Name (יהוה) transliterates directly into English as YHVH because the Hebrew alphabet lacks vowels. Hebrew has No [W] sound, No [J] sound and the symbol ש is pronounced “Sh”. [יהוה] GOD’s Name   [י] Yod [ה] Ha [ו] Vav [ה] Hey     is pronounced  YÄ-hä-vā & [יה] YÄ Strong’s con. Heb. # 3068, 3069 & 3050 The “Divine” “Deity” of “The Bible” is “YHVH”. God bless Ed J http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Why do you think the tranlators used Lord and LORD instead of His name. They had a hard time and stood in Aw of God. They had respect which some don't have that try to use His name.
Peace and Love Irene

[Ed J]

Quote (georg @ Nov. 04 2009,18:53)

Why do you think the tranlators used Lord and LORD instead of His name.  They had a hard time and stood in Aw of God.  They had respect which some don't have that try to use His name.   Peace and Love Irene

Hi Irene,

In Judaism, יהוה is reverenced to the degree that they don’t dare speak GOD’s Name for fear of saying His Name in vain. (Ex. 20:7 / Deut. 5:11)
The spoken use of name-omitting icons was inspired by this fear of saying GOD’s name in vain. The primary icon used for indirectly referencing
יהוה is [אדני] Âd-ô-nây meaning Lord or Owner. The secondary icon used for indirectly referencing הוהי is [ה שם] Hä-Shəm meaning “The Name”.
Name-substitutions have negatively affected people for many generations; producing the uncertainty of how exactly to pronounce GOD’s Name.
The use of name-omitting icons has effectually distanced (יהוה) “GOD” further and further from His Word.

Most English-speaking people either know GOD’s Name as JEHOVAH or not at all.
The AKJV Bible has sometimes replaced [יהוה] YHVH with the correct title, “GOD”.
However LORD in all-capital letters, is predominantly used as the exclusive replacement
for הוהי in the AKJV Bible. LORD is an even less accurate title. This title-substitution occurs over 6,000 times
in the AKJV Bible. An example of this is in Psalms 8:9: “O LORD our Lord, how excellent is thy Name in all the earth!”

Whosoever shall call upon the name of “The LORD” shall be saved.
How then shall they call on in Him whom they have not believed?
And how shall they believe in Him of whom they have not heard?
(Rom. 10:13-14) The identity of יהוה=26 is GOD=26 spoken as YÄ=26 and YÄ-hä-vā.

Love and Peace
Ed J
http:www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Ed J]

The “Holy Spirit” is “The Word”!

N.W.T. (JW’s version) Acts 20:28: “Pay attention to yourselves and all the flock, among which the Holy Spirit has appointed you overseers,
to shepherd the congregation of God, which “HE” (“Holy Spirit”) has purchased with the blood of his (Jesus) own [Son].”  (Matt.1:18)

Science suggests blood comes from the father; that helps understand why His (God) blood is able to redeem us. (Heb. 10:10-12)

(John 1:1) …“ And [ο λογος] Hō Lōgôs was [θεος] Thēôs; And “The Word” was “God”! (Hebrews 7:28)

God Bless
Ed J
http://www.holyvvvvcitybiblecode.org

[NickHassan]

Hi ED,
The Holy Spirit is the Spirit of God and proceeds from God.
What was your point?

[Ed J]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 07 2009,12:37)

Hi ED, The Holy Spirit is the Spirit of God and proceeds from God. What was your point?

Hi Nick,

The point is: The Holy Spirit is Jesus biological father (Matt.1:18),
[θεος] Thēôs (Acts 20:28), and [ο λογος] Hō Lōgôs (Hebrews 7:28).

That is why the AKJV Bible has correctly translated John 1:1.

And “The Word” was “God”!

God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[georg]

Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 07 2009,14:33)

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 07 2009,12:37) Hi ED, The Holy Spirit is the Spirit of God and proceeds from God. What was your point? Hi Nick, The point is: The Holy Spirit is Jesus biological father (Matt.1:18), [θεος] Thēôs (Acts 20:28), and [ο λογος] Hō Lōgôs (Hebrews 7:28). That is why the AKJV Bible has correctly translated John 1:1. And “The Word” was “God”! God bless Ed J http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

The Holy Spirit is Jesus Father?  Yet Jesus call's our Heavenly Father His Father.  I have never heard that the Holy Spirit is Jesus Father.  Then tell me, when Jesus said in John 17:5 “And now O Father…..He means the Holy Spirit?
And then we receive the Holy Spirit, (I guess He is a Person)
in us?  How?
Irene

[Ed J]

Quote (georg @ Nov. 07 2009,14:45)

Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 07 2009,14:33) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 07 2009,12:37) Hi ED, The Holy Spirit is the Spirit of God and proceeds from God. What was your point? Hi Nick, The point is: The Holy Spirit is Jesus biological father (Matt.1:18), [θεος] Thēôs (Acts 20:28), and [ο λογος] Hō Lōgôs (Hebrews 7:28). That is why the AKJV Bible has correctly translated John 1:1. And “The Word” was “God”! God bless Ed J http://www.holycitybiblecode.org The Holy Spirit is Jesus Father?  Yet Jesus call's our Heavenly Father His Father.  I have never heard that the Holy Spirit is Jesus Father.  Then tell me, when Jesus said in John 17:5 “And now O Father…..He means the Holy Spirit? And then we receive the Holy Spirit, (I guess He is a Person) in us?  How? Irene

Hi Irene,

I did not say the “Holy Spirit” is a third Person, quite the contrary “HE” is “GOD The Father”
without the “Satan” part. “He” is also “The Word”, this is so simple to understand.

When HE (The Holy Spirit) was fully resident in Jesus, after being Being Baptized by John the Baptizer.
He lead Jesus into the wilderness (Luke 4:1), returned in the power of the Holy Spirit (Luke 4:16),
and lead Jesus to the cross (Luke 22:42). The record is very clear;
it is preconceived religious dogmas that have confused this issue for many years.

Read all these scriptures for yourself, Matt.1:18, Acts 20:28, and Hebrews 7:28;
the N.W.T. (the faithful discreet slaves) have not botched these verses.

God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[GeneBalthrop]

Jesus …..said GOD (IS) A SPIRIT, He (IS) pure SPIRIT, the ONLY true SPIRIT BEING in EXISTENCE, GOD is What thought or intellect (IS), there are SEVEN (intellects) or SPIRITS of ONE GOD. Jesus now has All SEVEN in HIM coupled with Powers. These are the seven SPIRITS that go to and fro through all the EARTH. They give life to all creation, SPIRIT is the LIFE of anyone who HAS IT. SPIRIT is what enlighten (intellect) of every man coming into the earth. Spirit is INTELLECT so a man thinks so he (IS) , I think so therefore (I AM). When a man dies Intellect goes out of him to GOD who gave it. IMO

peace and love ……………………gene

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