JOHN 1:1 who is the WORD?

[NickHassan]

Hi TT,
So he is not our God and obviously not his God. He is our Lord.

Thanks for clearing that up- there is no trinity.

[gollamudi]

Hi Thinker,
How many Gods you make by making Jesus another God?

[Cindy]

kerwin What you do with that is that God the Father has given to Christ to create all. It is still by the power of the Father. That has and is still the fact. Ephesians 4:6 is still in effect. What you are doing is making it look like you want it to say. I and others go by what it says. You should never forget one Scripture oer the other. If there is more then one Scripture, which in this case by the word of Christ Himself. He says that my Father is greater then I.
Peace and Irene

[Cindy]

Adam You have to remember that God is a tittle, just like a Family name. We are of the Family of God. The translators where in Ah of Jehovah and did not misspell all that they used God. With other Scriptures it tells us that there is but one God the Father and one Christ our Savior.
Peace and Love Irene

[kerwin]

Jesus is the way that we are recreated in the image of the living God and in fact all of heaven and earth will be recreated.

[Cindy]

kerwin  I think in Rev. it says that we will have a New Earth and a New Heaven.  The earth was recreated in Genesis.  It is only my theory, I don't believe that God created a void and dark earth, and then has to do it over again.  That makes no sense to me.
Peace and Love Irene

[gollamudi]

Quote (Cindy @ June 10 2009,20:53)

Adam You have to remember that God is a tittle, just like a Family name. We are of the Family of God. The translators where in Ah of Jehovah and did not misspell all that they used God.  With other Scriptures  it tells us that there is but one God the Father and one Christ our Savior. Peace and Love Irene

Hi Sis Irene,
I know what you believe you mean to say 'God' is title and God is also family consisting of Jesus and us. Does it mean we will be called Gods?

[Cindy]

Adam  I am not sure if we will be called God.  There is Scripture that says this
1 Corinth. 24-25 For He has put all things under His feet.  But when He says ” all things are put under Him,” it is evident that He who put all things under Him is excepted.
verse 25 Now when all things are made subject to Him, then Son Himself will also be be subject to Him who put all things under Him, that God may be all in all.
Peace and Love Irene
P.S.  it might be a good idea if we make a new tread ” Will we be called God.”

[gollamudi]

Thanks for your reply Sis Irene. I may look forward for that with comments from others too.
Peace and love
Adam

[KangarooJack]

Quote (Cindy @ June 12 2009,02:42)

Adam  I am not sure if we will be called God.  There is Scripture that says this 1 Corinth. 24-25 For He has put all things under His feet.  But when He says ” all things are put under Him,” it is evident that He who put all things under Him is excepted. verse 25 Now when all things are made subject to Him, then Son Himself will also be be subject to Him who put all things under Him, that God may be all in all. Peace and Love Irene P.S.  it might be a good idea if we make a new tread ” Will we be called God.”

Irene,
I will tell you this. When Jesus was called “God” by the Father He attributed creation to Him. (Hebrews 1:8-10). If you become “God” will the Father address you and say, “You Lord laid the foundations of the earth. And the heavens are the works of your hands”?

thinker

[GeneBalthrop]

Thinker………. The LORD said He created the earth and everything in it by HIMSELF and ALONE. But now your telling us Jesus did it, interesting the LORD GOD said no one did but himself is, that not what (alone and by myself means). Must be a contradiction of some kind here. Remember GOD the FATHERS words He is GOD and there is not other GOD. He said I Know not one other GOD. 'YOU SHALL HAVE NO OTHER GODS BESIDES ME”, Jesus QUOTED “Hear O Israel the LORD OUR GOD IS (ONE) GOD”. no other just him alone. Thinker dump the traditions and start afresh brother. imo

much love and peace to you and yours………………………..gene

[Cindy]

Gene My Bible says in
John 1:3 All things werew made through Him and for Him, and nothing was made without Him.

Col. 1:16 ..For by Him alll things were created, all things that are in Heaven both visible and unvisible………..
I go by Scriptures.
Peace and love Irene

[GeneBalthrop]

Irene…….. Your confusing the New creation with the original creation, as Paladin clearly showed in his post on it. You can't read scripture where it say that GOD (ALONE) and BY MYSELF created the earth and everything and then forget or ignore that and say Jesus did it. Jesus is the First born of a (NEW) Creation , and has nothing to do with the old creation, but a NEW ONE. IMO

peace and love to you and Georg…………………………………gene

[Cindy]

Gene What you are doing is adding ” New” to it. I am reading it the way it says. In Genesis it also says “let us make man in our image. The being that became Jesus was very much involved with all. You ignoring Scriptures. I will never add to Scriptures.
In Col. 1:18 it also states that He is first in all. He was thew firstborn of all creation and firstborn of the dead. It says so He will have preeminence in all. That proves it for me.
Peace and Love Irene

[GeneBalthrop]

Irene………. But You are adding to scriptures, where does it say that the (US) in Genesis is Jesus, your inserting that, and we are all a (NEW) creation in Christ Jesus, being created unto good works, if you want i will give you scripture for that also. You still have not dealt with where it says that GOD (ALONE) and BY (HIMSELF) created everything, Posted by myself and many others here. Why not first deal with those scriptures before inserting that Jesus created everything. Jesus himself is a creation , so i hardly believe He could have created everything. IMO

peace and love to you and Georg………………………..gene

[gollamudi]

Hi all,
God created everything through or in Jesus. What does it mean, does it mean Jesus was the creator? Our N.T uses such words like “through” or “in” Jesus, we have to understand that God is the sole creator as per Isa 45 & 46. These words like “through” and “in” have to be understood to interpret that Jesus the Messiah was the center point of God's creation. “God created everything through Jesus” means He created it keeping in mind through Jesus God would summit everything. In fact Jesus was said to be crucified before the foundations of the world in the plan of God not literally as per Rev 13:8. God created everything for Jesus His beloved son and kept everything under his feet. If we make Jesus also the creator then we make God of our Bible as Poly. Please understand with Jewish Monotheism point of view not with Pagan polytheism.

Peace to all
Adam

[Worshipping Jesus]

Quote (gollamudi @ June 16 2009,01:37)

Hi all, God created everything through or in Jesus. What does it mean, does it mean Jesus was the creator? Our N.T uses such words like “through” or “in” Jesus,  we have to understand that God is the sole creator as per Isa 45 & 46. These words like “through” and “in” have to be understood to interpret that Jesus the Messiah was the center point of God's creation. “God created everything through Jesus” means He created it keeping in mind through Jesus God would summit everything. In fact Jesus was said to be crucified before the foundations of the world in the plan of God not literally as per Rev 13:8. God created everything for Jesus His beloved son and kept everything under his feet. If we make Jesus also the creator then we make God of our Bible as Poly. Please understand with Jewish Monotheism point of view not with Pagan polytheism. Peace to all Adam

Hi GM

The Jews were responsible in part for the crucifixtion of Christ, because they couldnt accept his words of equality with the Father.

The same is happening to day. People do not understand the equality of Jesus with the Father.

WJ

[NickHassan]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 16 2009,17:43)

Quote (gollamudi @ June 16 2009,01:37) Hi all, God created everything through or in Jesus. What does it mean, does it mean Jesus was the creator? Our N.T uses such words like “through” or “in” Jesus,  we have to understand that God is the sole creator as per Isa 45 & 46. These words like “through” and “in” have to be understood to interpret that Jesus the Messiah was the center point of God's creation. “God created everything through Jesus” means He created it keeping in mind through Jesus God would summit everything. In fact Jesus was said to be crucified before the foundations of the world in the plan of God not literally as per Rev 13:8. God created everything for Jesus His beloved son and kept everything under his feet. If we make Jesus also the creator then we make God of our Bible as Poly. Please understand with Jewish Monotheism point of view not with Pagan polytheism. Peace to all Adam Hi GM The Jews were responsible in part for the crucifixtion of Christ, because they couldnt accept his words of equality with the Father. The same is happening to day. People do not understand the equality of Jesus with the Father. WJ

Hi WJ,
You mean when he said he was the Son of God?

[Worshipping Jesus]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 16 2009,01:58)

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 16 2009,17:43) Quote (gollamudi @ June 16 2009,01:37) Hi all, God created everything through or in Jesus. What does it mean, does it mean Jesus was the creator? Our N.T uses such words like “through” or “in” Jesus,  we have to understand that God is the sole creator as per Isa 45 & 46. These words like “through” and “in” have to be understood to interpret that Jesus the Messiah was the center point of God's creation. “God created everything through Jesus” means He created it keeping in mind through Jesus God would summit everything. In fact Jesus was said to be crucified before the foundations of the world in the plan of God not literally as per Rev 13:8. God created everything for Jesus His beloved son and kept everything under his feet. If we make Jesus also the creator then we make God of our Bible as Poly. Please understand with Jewish Monotheism point of view not with Pagan polytheism. Peace to all Adam Hi GM The Jews were responsible in part for the crucifixtion of Christ, because they couldnt accept his words of equality with the Father. The same is happening to day. People do not understand the equality of Jesus with the Father. WJ Hi WJ, You mean when he said he was the Son of God?

Hi NH

Yep, because the term “Son of God” was a term to them that meant equality with God.

WJ

[NickHassan]

Hi WJ,
They knew Ps 2 and the vision there of Father and Son working as one.

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