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Hi brother WJ,
Yes, you are absolutely correct in saying that there is only one God in this whole universe. If they want to make Jesus 'a god' or 'a so called god' then they are teaching Henotheism here. Jesus is the ultimate revelation of One and Only God. He is not making two Gods or more Gods. God was in Christ Jesus and reconcilled the world to Himself. More than this understanding they make God a Poly and Henotheist.Thanks and peace to you
AdamJW…….They have found over 1680 early Greek manuscripts about the same scripture and everyone was different. Well so much for the 600 so call Scholars. Mills a famous Critical Scholar have found over 30,000 grammatical errors in our present text. Read the book (Miss Quoting Jesus) and check it out for yourself. And why does it take whole pages of Posting to try to explain your Trinitarian Positions all the time. When just a few short scriptures explain it perfectly, that there is (NO) TRINITY mentioned at all in scripture, Its a creation of pagan Greek ideologies and thats all it is. IMO
peace to you ……………..gene
Hi brother Gene,
Thanks for your helping hand in replying brother WJ. I fully agree with you on the Biblical errancy because of human limitations.Thanks and peace to you
Adamadam and gene,
word is personified by john ,the apostle in john's gospel.in addition,that personification /actual spiritual born person within God became a living being among us.similarly holy spirit is also personified as a friend or comforter.there is no wrong in assuming word and holy ghost as spiritual persons in accorance with the scriptures that personify.whereas, it is totally wrong to assume what is not in the scripture like 'plan' or 'intellect' for the personified word and similarly true for ignoring personified holy spirit.Come out of that hallucination.
you both are neglecting personified words in scriptures and going after your own imaginations/hallucinations.
babuHi PV,
The Spirit of God is God's Spirit.
Not another person any more than your spirit is another person from you.Thanks brother Nick,
Ofcourse I am not confused of my understanding on the nature of God and Christ as many Christians are often.To All………….A Spirit is the expression of Intellect, the same as a word is and the word of Power is the word of GOD, with it he created every thing that exists including Jesus. Jesus said the (WORDS) I am speaking unto you, they (ARE) Spirit and life. If your intellect was taken away from you you would not have or Know life. WE are told to let this MIND be in us as (IT) was in Jesus and if this mind (intellect) be in you it shall (ALSO) like it did Jesus (Quicken) you mortal Body. There is Spirit or (intellect) that is from God and There is Spirit (intellect) that is from the world, which we all received by being born into the world. This Spirit (intellect) we received from the world must die and we must recieve the Spirit (intellect) from GOD in order to continue to live.
The Spirit is Not a person it is the intellect in the mind of the person. God's intellects is expressed through His Spirits, God Himself is Spirit thats why no one has ever seen Him, Only His effects and powers are seen, compared like the wind, As it says the invisible attributes of God are Known by the things created. we can't see it but we can see the effect of it and are able to realize it's power. Trying to make the Spirit of God into a separate person from GOD is false teaching. God's spirit is who GOD is as our Spirits are who we are. Jesus (A MAN) had GOD's spirits (intellects in his mind) and We also can have His Spirit in us. This is what brings about our conversion, we must be (Transformed) by the renewing of our minds or thinking. This is the salvation process brought about by Gods Spirit (INTELLECT) IN US.
Love to all…………………gene
GB,
You resort to intellectual theology for explanations.
Do you not realise scripture is sacred and the living word of God?
It is a solid foundation but your intellectual theology is only at best flimsy derived knowledge.Go back to just the Word and let it speak and this time really listen to it without adding your bits and pieces.
Nick………The words you speak of, mean nothing without the understanding that goes with them. Anyone can Parrot Jesus' words and not even understand a single thing. Your theology of not using your God given Mind is to say it's ok if you can read it but its not important if you understand whats said, pure foolishness. A man who does not understand the words of Jesus, does not understand God either Parotting and say things like not using your mind to understand is not of God, but is simply the words of a mindless wonder. You can't continue to do that and expect people to believe what you are saying.
If you can't make sense of what is written you simple don't understand it that should be obvious to you and anyone else. If you have the Spirit of God Guiding your mind, you should have no problem explaining God words. Ask God for the Spirit to guide you Nick and He might show you what is meant by what Jesus was saying. IMO
peace……………..gene
GB,
Yes were are born with a mind. a carnal mind.
So we must be transformed by renewal of our minds, according to the Word.Nick….No we (must) nothing, it's God Who transforms Us not us. If your mind has been transformed it is no longer Carnal it is Spiritual. And can perceive Spiritual things. Jesus said MY SHEEP (HEAR) MY VOICE. These are the ones God Has changed and are Given His Spirit of truth and understanding. And Gods words make perfect sense to them.
peace to you…………….gene
GB,
This is your understanding of Jn1
“The WORD was the total intellect of the POWERS, therefor the WORD WAS GOD”Your understanding is of the carnal mind IMO
Hi brother Nick,
The Word was the self expression of God Himself but not another person apart from Him.Blessings
Adamtih said:
Quote If it says that in the beginning was the comprehension, or word, and that the word was to God, or with God, or for God, it is impossible to go on and say that it was God. If it was God, it could stand in no relation to God
Certainly the apostle John was not so unreasonable as to say that someone (“the Word”) was with some other individual (“God”) and at the same time was that other individual (“God”).John said that the Word was the “only begotten” of God (vs. 18). This means that He was the only kindred of God. This is what the word “monogenes” (only-begotten) means. Therefore, John said that the Word was with God and the Word was God's kindred. This is the sense of the expression “and the Word was God.” Let's not take John 1:1 out of the context of the entire chapter. The Word was called the “monogenes” of God, that is, He was God's kind. So I offer the paraphrase below,
“In the beginning was the Word and the word was with God and the word was God's kind.”
If the Word was God's kind, then He was necessarily God too.
TIH and many others get so tripped up in syntax that they fail to interpret according to sense.
thinker
Hi tt,
Do you know what ONLY BEGOTTEN means?
One word in greek.It has nothing to do with any thought of being THE only begotten son as you might have thought.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 23 2009,04:59) Hi tt,
Do you know what ONLY BEGOTTEN means?
One word in greek.It has nothing to do with any thought of being THE only begotten son as you might have thought.
Hi Nick,
The word “only begotten” is a compound word in the Greek. The second part of the word is “genes” and it takes its root meaning from “genos” which means “kin” (Strong's# 1085). Paul said that he wished for the salvation of his kinsmen according to the flesh (Rom. 9:3). The root word is also “genos” which simply means “kin”.John 1:18 means that the Son is the only begotten, that is, the only kin of God. This is what is meant in John 1:1,
Quote In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God, and the Word was God [in kind]“. The attempts of the anti-trinitarians to explain away the true sense is falsely based on a grammar of the Greek definite article which is a total fabrication.
thinker
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