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Charles,
Romans 8:3
For what the law was powerless to do because it was weakened by the flesh, God did by sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh to be a sin offering.According to Paul, God sent His Son in the likeness of flesh.
According to you, God put on a costume, and masqueraded on earth as His own Son.
mikeboll64,April wrote:[/quote]
Quote According to you, God put on a costume, and masqueraded on earth as His own Son. Mike,
YOU ARE ALMOST THERE!
BUT CUL-DE-SAC !
END OF THE ROAD AND BYE! BYE!
YOU STILL DIDN'T TELL ME THE DIFFERENCE!
I SAID:
GOD ALSO DID THE SAME WITH THE DIFFERENCE,
THAT HIS COSTUME, THE WORD MADE FLESH, WAS HIS OWN GENUINE ENTITY!
HIS OWN GENUINE ENTITY MIKE!
HE WAS NOT MASQUERADING ANYTHING MIKE, FOR THE SIMPLE REASON THAT GOD IS A SPIRIT, HE HAS NO KINDS OF BODIES AT ALL, ONLY THE WORD ITSELF WAS HIS UNIQUE BODY!
SO I REPEAT:
NOW TO HIS AUDIENCE, IT DOESN'T MAKE ANY DIFFERENCE WHO THE PERSON WAS, SINCE ACTUALLY THROUGH HIS COSTUME HE IN THE TRUTH WAS ALSO HIMSELF, WITHIN THEIR HEART!
SINCE WITHOUT THE COSTUME HE COULD NEVER BE IN THEIR HEART!
THEREFORE THE COSTUME IS THE PERSON FOR HIS AUDIENCE! NO?
NOW TO HIS SOULS, IT DOESN'T MAKE ANY DIFFERENCE WHO GOD WAS, SINCE ACTUALLY THROUGH THE WORD HE IN THE TRUTH WAS ALSO HIMSELF, WITHIN THEIR HEART!
ESPECIALLY SINCE THE WORD IS GOD'S ENTITY,AND WITHOUT THE WORD HE COULD NEVER BE IN THEIR HEART!
THEREFORE THE WORD IS GOD FOR HIS SOULS! NO?
SO if the COSTUME can dwell in THEIR HEART, and the COSTUME IS THE PERSON, then what's the difference?
SO IF THE WORD CAN DWELL IN THEIR HEART, AND THE WORD IS GOD, THEN WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE?
ANSWER MIKE NOW
WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE!
Peace and love in Jesus
Charles
Charles,
The Word OF God is not God Himself.
The Word is the spokesman God sent into the world.
Can't you understand the words “of” and “sent”?
A person is not their own possessions – nor can a person send themselves.
God did not send Himself into the world as a flesh being. God sent His Son into the world as a flesh being.
It has nothing to do with putting on a costume so God could be in us.
Quote (carmel @ April 20 2014,06:44) YOU STILL DIDN'T TELL ME THE DIFFERENCE! SO IF THE WORD CAN DWELL IN THEIR HEART, AND THE WORD IS GOD, THEN WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE?
ANSWER MIKE NOW
WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE!
That was MY question to YOU, Charles.You said God couldn't dwell in us as He was, so He had to put on a “Word costume” in order to do it.
But if it was still GOD in the “Word costume” who dwelt in us, then what difference would it make?
The following are YOUR claims………..
1. God CAN'T dwell in us.
2. God put on a costume so He CAN dwell in us.
3. But even with the costume on, it is still 100% God who dwells in us.Conclusion: God CAN'T dwell in us, but it is 100% God who ends up dwelling in us anyway.
Your imagined costume party switcheroo ends up with God Himself dwelling in us anyway – so why imagine that nonsense in the first place?
Charles, I've tried to be patient with your bizarre and unscriptural theories…….. but my patience is near its end.
mikeboll64,April wrote:[/quote]
Quote 1. God CAN'T dwell in us. Mike,
SO YOU AGREE THAT GOD CAN'T DWELL IN US!
SO WHAT DID GOD DO, IN ORDER THAT HIS KINGDOM WAS AND IS ALWAYS WITHIN US?
KEEP IN MIND THAT A KINGDOM WITHOUT A KING IS NO KINGDOM AT ALL, SO GOD ALWAYS WAS AND IS WITHIN US!
MIKE?
A FIREMAN CANNOT ENTER FIRE!
WHAT DID HE DO?
HE PUT ON A FIREPROOF CLOTHING ON AND WENT INTO THE FIRE!
IS THE FIREMAN IN THE FIRE?
IS THE WATERPROOF CLOTHING IN THE FIRE?
WHO ACHIEVED THE WORK , THE FIREMAN OR THE WATERPROOF CLOTHING?
GOD DID THE SAME!
CAN YOU SEE THE DIFFERENCE?
Peace and love in Jesus
Charles
Quote (carmel @ April 21 2014,14:03) mikeboll64,April wrote:[/quote]
Quote 1. God CAN'T dwell in us. Mike,
SO YOU AGREE THAT GOD CAN'T DWELL IN US!
No Charles,I don't agree. I said in my previous post:
The following are YOUR claims………..
1. God CAN'T dwell in us…………..
Both God AND the Word are able to metaphorically dwell in us, Charles.
Quote (carmel @ April 21 2014,14:03) A FIREMAN CANNOT ENTER FIRE! WHAT DID HE DO?
HE PUT ON A FIREPROOF CLOTHING ON AND WENT INTO THE FIRE!
IS THE FIREMAN IN THE FIRE?
IS THE WATERPROOF CLOTHING IN THE FIRE?
WHO ACHIEVED THE WORK , THE FIREMAN OR THE WATERPROOF CLOTHING?
GOD DID THE SAME!
CAN YOU SEE THE DIFFERENCE?
Yes,I can see the difference. The difference is that you believe the protective clothing actually IS the fireman himself…… instead of a tool the fireman made use of.
A more apt analogy would be that the fireman, knowing he couldn't enter the fire himself, sent in a robot with a water hose.
And no, I'm not saying Jesus was a “robot” – I'm saying that since God never had any intention of becoming flesh and dying at the hands of men, He SENT SOMEONE ELSE.
That is the SCRIPTURAL teaching, Charles. Not that God came in the flesh, but that God SENT someone else to come in the flesh. That someone else was His firstborn Son, Jesus Christ.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 20 2014,11:02) The Word OF God is not God Himself.
And why not?The Word was God! John 1:1
Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty. 2 Cor 3:17
When you begin to understand that the real you is a Spirit being who has a Soul and lives in a Body, then you will begin to understand how God can be found in the likeness of human flesh. Phil 2:6-8
We were made in the image of God which also is a Spirit being.
The Spirit of God, is God!
WJ
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 22 2014,21:59) Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 20 2014,11:02) The Word OF God is not God Himself.
And why not?The Word was God! John 1:1
Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty. 2 Cor 3:17
When you begin to understand that the real you is a Spirit being who has a Soul and lives in a Body, then you will begin to understand how God can be found in the likeness of human flesh. Phil 2:6-8
We were made in the image of God which also is a Spirit being.
The Spirit of God, is God!
WJ
WJlet understand that the scriptures teach that all things are under God's command and power ;
this mean whatever was created is under him and so submitted to his powers ,no matter who he is ;
now Christ the first born over all creation is by no mean the least of God's creation, then comes others then comes men ,
not all receive the same powers ,for not all do the same works ,but they have all the same spirit if not they will soon learn what happen to them ,but for those that share that same spirit from God ;what is it that that spirit means
it means that whoever is with God also as accepted his way of thinking and doing ;so that the works God does is also shown in those that belong to him or to his group of people ,Quote I can see the difference. The difference is that you believe the protective clothing actually IS the fireman himself…… instead of a tool the fireman made use of. Mike,
NO MIKE YOU DIDN'T!
YOU DIDN'T EVEN UNDERSTAND THE QUESTION!
SO HERE IT IS!
WHO ACHIEVED THE WORK , THE FIREMAN OR THE FIREPROOF CLOTHING?
GOD DID THE SAME!
CAN YOU SEE THE DIFFERENCE?
I ALSO ASKED:
SO WHAT DID GOD DO, IN ORDER THAT HIS KINGDOM WAS AND IS ALWAYS WITHIN US?
KEEP IN MIND THAT A KINGDOM WITHOUT A KING IS NO KINGDOM AT ALL, SO GOD ALWAYS WAS AND IS WITHIN US!
Quote A more apt analogy would be that the fireman, knowing he couldn't enter the fire himself, sent in a robot with a water hose. SO YOUR ANALOGY ABOVE DOESN'T FIT! FOR THE SIMPLE REASON THAT THE FIREMAN IS NOT WITHIN THE ROBOT!
MY ANALOGY THE FIREMAN IS WITHIN THE FIREPROOF CLOTHING!
AND GOD WAS ALSO IN THE WORD! BY THE WORD, AND FOR THE WORD
SO GOD IS AND ALWAYS WAS WITHIN US!
DO YOU BELIEVE THIS?
THAT GOD IS WITHIN US!
Peace and love in Jesus
Charles
Charles and Keith,
The SCRIPTURAL teaching is that God sent His Son into the world. There was never a teaching that God Himself came into the world as a flesh being, and was killed by human beings.
Start with those scriptural facts, and work out from them as you're building your doctrine. When you get to a point that your doctrine starts changing or adding to those scriptural facts, back up and start over.
Mike
You should be a news caster! That was great spin on the facts of the scriptures that we quote!
God is Spirit MIke, and according to the scriptures, the Lord is that Spirit. If you build from those facts then you have the right foundation for sound doctrine! The fact that God came in the flesh is scriptural and the proof is that because of that, God lives in the flesh in us!
WJ
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 23 2014,10:41) The fact that God came in the flesh is scriptural……….
Are you sure, Keith?I've read many times about God sending someone to the earth as a flesh being. I have never read in any scripture that God Himself came as a flesh being, and was killed by the hands of the puny human beings He created.
Which is scriptural version of 1 John 4:9?
1. In this was manifested the love of God toward us, because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him.
2. In this was manifested the love of God toward us, because that God Himself came into the world, that we might live through him.
Take the scriptural one, and build your doctrine out from there, Keith.
No Keith.
God was “in” Jesus the same way both God and Jesus are “in” some of us. They are not physically inside of our bodies.
But think it out, Keith…………. if God was in Jesus, doesn't that tell you that “God” is someone OTHER THAN “Jesus”?
I mean, if God can be “in” you, then it should be clear that you are not the God who is “in” you, right?
Why doesn't this same logic work for you when it comes to Jesus?
mikeboll64,April wrote:[/quote]
Quote I mean, if God can be “in” you, then it should be clear that you are not the God who is “in” you, right? Mike,
OF COURSE WE ARE NOT THE GOD WHO IS IN US YET
BUT ON THE LAST DAY THAT'S WHAT WE WOULD BE!
IDENTICAL TO THE ONLY TRUE GOD, AND JESUS CHRIST ALL IN ALL
Quote Why doesn't this same logic work for you when it comes to Jesus? YOU KEEP ON PUTTING JESUS IN THE SAME BASKET AS OURS! YOU WILL NEVER LEARN THE TRUTH
WHEN WILL YOU GET IT INTO YOUR MIND THAT THE FACT GOD IS IN US,IT IS NOT DIRECTLY ATTACHED TO OUR SOUL!
BUT THROUGH THE WORD THE ONLY MEDIATOR SPIRIT, THE SON'S,THE FATHER IN HIS FULL POWER WITHIN,AS THE WORD THE FACT THAT HE IS CALLED THE WORD THE LORD GOD!
TO MAKE US AWARE THAT WE WERE DEVILS IN FLESH, AND THANKS TO THE WORD MADE FLESH GOD AS MAN, GOD IN FLESH, THE GODHEAD IN THE SON! WE ARE CHRISTIANS ONLY IN THE SPIRIT, AND STILL DEVILS IN THE FLESH AND BLOOD, THE FACT THAT IT HAS TO DIE!
CAN YOU SEE THE DIFFERENCE MIKE,
BETWEEN JESUS' FLESH BODY AND OURS?
CAN YOU SEE THE DIFFERENCE
BETWEEN US WHICH WE WERE FIRST FROM HELL, AND THEN ON EARTH AS HUMANS?
AND
OUR SAVIOUR, THE MESSIAH, WHO HAD NOTHING OF THIS EARTH, THE FACT THAT HE WAS A RANSOM!
SINCE SATAN OWNED, UP TO THAT MOMENT IN TIME, THE WORLD THROUGHOUT!
THEREFORE JESUS WAS OUT OF THIS EARTH ,
THEREFORE ALL FROM HEAVEN, ALL SPIRITUAL, THE FACT THAT HE IS A SON, NOT A DAUGHTER
DESPITE THE FACT THAT HE BECAME IN ALL THINGS LIKE HIS BRETHREN, NOT LIKE HIS SISTHREN SATANIC!
Peace and love in Jesus
Charles
Quote (carmel @ April 26 2014,00:50) Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 25 2014,13:29) I mean, if God can be “in” you, then it should be clear that you are not the God who is “in” you, right? Mike,
OF COURSE WE ARE NOT THE GOD WHO IS IN US YET
BUT ON THE LAST DAY THAT'S WHAT WE WOULD BE!
IDENTICAL TO THE ONLY TRUE GOD, AND JESUS CHRIST ALL IN ALL
I disagree, Charles.I don't believe any of us will BE the God who is able to be “in” us.
I also don't believe Jesus is the God who was “in” him.
mikeboll64,April wrote:[/quote]
Quote I also don't believe Jesus is the God who was “in” him. Mike,
the truth is:
IN THE BEGINNING THE SON,WAS ETERNALLY IN GOD THE FATHER! SINCE GOD IS ETERNAL!
AND GOD THE FATHER WAS ONLY SPIRIT!
AS IT IS NOW:
GOD THE FATHER IS BOTH IN JESUS AND JESUS HIMSELF!
BOTH SPIRIT AND FLESH! IN JESUS CHRIST
BOTH GOD AND FATHER OF ALL FLESH IN JESUS CHRIST
AS SOON AS JESUS CHRIST REVEAL HIMSELF !
SO THEY ARE NO MORE TWO BUT ONE
GENESIS 2:24 Wherefore a man shall leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife:
AND THEY SHALL BE TWO IN ONE FLESH.
THE FATHER AND THE SON
NO ONE KNOWS THE FATHER BUT THE SON, AND NO ONE KNOWS THE SON, BUT THE FATHER,
AND IT IS UP TO THE SON TO WHOM HE WANTS TO REVEAL HIM
OBVIOUS SINCE ONLY JESUS CHRIST MANIFESTS HIMSELF, LIKE HE DID TO PAUL!
Peace and love in Jesus
Charles
Can anyone answer these simple questions?
(strong trinies)?1. Did the scripture say; God gave his only begotten Son to
the world?
Or God gave Himself to the world?2. Was Jesus not sacrificed? A sacrifice not to be reclaimed?
Yet many believe that His flesh is still functioning,after
sacrificed.?? How can it be so?
If one sacrifice an animal; that animal will be eaten.Y/N?3. Was the Word made flesh? Or Was God made flesh?
4.Is God also the second Adam.?? How can? for God was
before Adam.Y/N? How can he be second?wakeup.
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