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Quote (Wakeup @ Mar. 28 2014,17:59) God is a spirit and He is one great spirit.
He can also speak;you know?
And what comes out when He speaks, are his words.
He is God, and his Word is alive: living.
Wakeup,You make it sound like a new “Word of God” is “brought forth” from God each time God has something to say.
Do they all become separate living, breathing beings? Or did that only happen the first time God spoke?
Wakeup,Mar. wrote:[/quote]
Quote God is a spirit and He is one great spirit. Wakeup,
with every respect:
The above is childish!
Throughout scripture, I NEVER READ SUCH DEFINITION REGARDING GOD!
ONE GREAT SPIRIT!
Read this REVELATION first than I will post to explain in detail WHY I AM CONVINCED THAT GOD IS NOT JUST ONE GREAT SPIRIT!
BUT FAR MORE THE GREATEST, ALSO AS THREE IN THE SAME INSTANT
SO READ WHAT GOD HIMSELF SAID:
Thus nothing is more understandable than wanting to ascertain the almighty Creator and yet nothing is more impossible….
Human intellect is not sufficient by far to fathom Me in My full elementary power….
and it will be even less possible to categorize Me, that is, to put My Being and Becoming into any kind of form which seems acceptable to the human mind. This is a hopeless undertaking which could never produce a satisfactory result, for I was, I Am….
and I forever will be an inscrutable Spirit Who harbours within HIMSELF everything that can be found in the entire universe….
to Whom creation is subordinate because it originated from Him….
and Who is the beginning and the end of all things….
the SPIRIT OF LOVE
from eternity to eternity….
Peace and love in Jesus
Charles
Quote (Wakeup @ Mar. 29 2014,10:59) Quote God is a spirit and He is one great spirit. Wakeup,
GOD IS A LOVING STATE BEING, SO LOVE ITSELF!
HE IS THE SPIRIT OF LOVE IN ALL HIS FULLNESS
GOD NEVER CREATES ANYTHING EVEN THE LEAST WORM WITHOUT INCORPORATES LOVE IN ITS GENERAL INDIVIDUAL COMPONENTS!
WE HAVE A SPECK OF HIS DIRECT SPIRIT OF LOVE BURIED IN US FROM THE FOUNDATION OF THE WORLD, AND THAT’S HIS SON, THE WORD, THE TRIUNE MEDIATOR CREATOR GOD! JESUS’SPIRIT!
SO THE FATHER IS LOVE!
NOW CAN A SPIRIT OF LOVE CREATE ANYTHING UNLESS IT ALSO HAS POWER, STRENGTH TO ACHIEVE ANYTHING?
DEFINITELY NOT!
SO GOD THE FATHER POSSESSES THE SPIRIT OF POWER AS WELL FOR SURE!
CAN A SPIRIT OF LOVE AND STRENGTH CREATE ANYTHING UNLESS IT ALSO HAS WISDOM, TO ACHIEVE ANYTHING?
DEFINITELY NOT!
SO GOD THE FATHER POSSESSES THE SPIRIT OF WISDOM AS WELL FOR SURE!
SO NOW WE HAVE LOVE, WISDOM AND POWER!
NOW CAN YOU HAVE THE LEAST DOUBT THAT THROUGH THESE FUNDAMENTAL PRIMORDIAL SPIRITS GOD LACKS ANY ATTRIBUTE, WHICH COULD IN A WAY PREVENTS HIM FROM CREATING?
KEEP IN MIND THAT GOD'S ATTRIBUTES ARE INDIVIDUAL SPIRITS, BUT SINCE THE FATHER LOVE WITHIN HIMSELF CARRIES ALL HIS ATTRIBUTES, THROUGH VITAL INDIVIDUAL ATTRIBUTES DEVELOPS OTHER CORRESPONDING ATTRIBUTES!
SO THROUGH THE ABOVE THREE PRIMORDIAL ATTRIBUTES HE DEVELOPS OTHERS!
BUT ALWAYS FOUNDED WITH THE FATHER'S STATE OF LOVE!
IN THE SAME WAY THAT WE SHOULD DO THINGS ALWAYS THROUGH LOVE, THEREFORE USING THE FATHER'S MOST POWERFUL ATTRIBUTE OF LOVE!
EVEN RIGHTING THIS POST, FOR THE LOVE OF JESUS OUR GOD AND SAVIOUR!
THAT’S ENOUGH FOR NOW!
Peace and love in Jesus
Charles
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 30 2014,09:44) Quote (Wakeup @ Mar. 28 2014,17:59) God is a spirit and He is one great spirit.
He can also speak;you know?
And what comes out when He speaks, are his words.
He is God, and his Word is alive: living.
Wakeup,You make it sound like a new “Word of God” is “brought forth” from God each time God has something to say.
Do they all become separate living, breathing beings? Or did that only happen the first time God spoke?
MikeB.What a question.
God's Word consists of all His words.
What ever comes out of God mouth is God's Word.God thinks of what to say or do,and his mouth piece speaks it out and do.
All is spoken out by His Word.A living Word.wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Mar. 30 2014,09:47) God's Word consists of all His words.
What ever comes out of God mouth is God's Word.
So how did that work when God's Word was already dwelling on earth, and God spoke from heaven? Did those new words God Himself spoke from heaven become a DIFFERENT individual being too?Wakeup, your understanding says that God spoke an entirely DIFFERENT being out of His mouth, and from that time forth, God Himself has remained silent, while this other DIFFERENT being does all of God's talking.
In that case, Jehovah is NOT the one who said, “Let there be light”, because it was this DIFFERENT being who said that.
And if that is the case, then Jehovah Himself isn't even the one who CREATED light, because that DIFFERENT being did it.
You have attributed all the things God Himself said and did to this OTHER being who is not even God – according to your own words.
Why would you do such a crazy thing?
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 31 2014,07:58) Quote (Wakeup @ Mar. 30 2014,09:47) God's Word consists of all His words.
What ever comes out of God mouth is God's Word.
So how did that work when God's Word was already dwelling on earth, and God spoke from heaven? Did those new words God Himself spoke from heaven become a DIFFERENT individual being too?Wakeup, your understanding says that God spoke an entirely DIFFERENT being out of His mouth, and from that time forth, God Himself has remained silent, while this other DIFFERENT being does all of God's talking.
In that case, Jehovah is NOT the one who said, “Let there be light”, because it was this DIFFERENT being who said that.
And if that is the case, then Jehovah Himself isn't even the one who CREATED light, because that DIFFERENT being did it.
You have attributed all the things God Himself said and did to this OTHER being who is not even God – according to your own words.
Why would you do such a crazy thing?
Mike B.God spoke to His son on earth by mobile phone.
With no charge. And His son spoke to the apostles
face to face.wakeup.
mikeboll64,Mar. wrote:[/quote]
Quote You have attributed all the things God Himself said and did to this OTHER being who is not even God Mike,
Who said these words:
John 2:4 And Jesus saith to her: Woman, what is that to me and to thee? my hour is not yet come.
GOD THE FATHER, OR JESUS?
GOD BOTH FROM INSIDE JESUS'BODY AND , ALSO FROM OUTSIDE BY USING JESUS' BODY?
OR
JESUS THROUGHOUT ?
Peace and love in Jesus
Charles
Jesus throughout, Charles.
God didn't literally speak through Jesus, as most believe. The teaching that God spoke through His servant Jesus Christ means that Jesus came to teach us the things God has taught him. He spoke what God told him to speak.
It doesn't mean Jesus was like a stereo speaker, and God was talking into the microphone in heaven, but the words were coming out of Jesus.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 31 2014,07:58) Quote (Wakeup @ Mar. 30 2014,09:47) God's Word consists of all His words.
What ever comes out of God mouth is God's Word.
So how did that work when God's Word was already dwelling on earth, and God spoke from heaven?
I'm awaiting a REAL answer to my question, Wakeup.Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 02 2014,10:05) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 31 2014,07:58) Quote (Wakeup @ Mar. 30 2014,09:47) God's Word consists of all His words.
What ever comes out of God mouth is God's Word.
So how did that work when God's Word was already dwelling on earth, and God spoke from heaven?
I'm awaiting a REAL answer to my question, Wakeup.
Mike B.Dont you know that God's spirit was In Jesus,in full?
Dont you know that God was speaking most of the time?
He whispers in Jesus ears,or by telepathy,I dont know.
I would say the last.wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ April 01 2014,18:21) Dont you know that God was speaking most of the time?
My question is:If the Word of God does ALL of God's speaking for Him, like you've claimed, then WHO was speaking from heaven when that “Word of God” was dwelling on earth as a human being?
Now do you understand what I'm asking?
Who said, “This is my beloved Son……. listen to him” ? Because those words came from heaven, but couldn't have been spoken BY “the Word of God” – because the “Word of God” was on earth at the time those words were spoken from heaven.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 03 2014,09:57) Quote (Wakeup @ April 01 2014,18:21) Dont you know that God was speaking most of the time?
My question is:If the Word of God does ALL of God's speaking for Him, like you've claimed, then WHO was speaking from heaven when that “Word of God” was dwelling on earth as a human being?
Now do you understand what I'm asking?
Who said, “This is my beloved Son……. listen to him” ? Because those words came from heaven, but couldn't have been spoken BY “the Word of God” – because the “Word of God” was on earth at the time those words were spoken from heaven.
Mike B.I understand your question.
You know: While God's Word is on earth; His mind is in heaven. Do you agree?No man has heard God's voice. Agree?
So the next thing is: God must have send an angel to speak.This below;is not related to your question but good to understand.
When Jesus was in His tomb;God called Him out.(resurrected).
Remember Jesus said before He died?
He said: Father;into thy hands I commend my spirit.
That spirit was the Holy Spirit that has always been in Him.
Do you know that the spirit of truth is in the word of God?The voice for John to hear.
That was done for a reason. It was for John (proof)to know that the man he was baptising is truly the son of God.wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ April 02 2014,21:43) Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 03 2014,09:57)
Now do you understand what I'm asking?Who said, “This is my beloved Son……. listen to him” ? Because those words came from heaven, but couldn't have been spoken BY “the Word of God” – because the “Word of God” was on earth at the time those words were spoken from heaven.
Mike B.I understand your question.
1. You know: While God's Word is on earth; His mind is in heaven. Do you agree?
2. No man has heard God's voice. Agree?
3. So the next thing is: God must have send an angel to speak.
1. God Himself was in heaven, and completely able to speak to His angels while His main spokesman, the Word, was on earth.The person who dwelled on earth with the glory of God's only begotten SON was not any of God's literal words, Wakeup. He was ALWAYS a PERSON who is only called “the Word of God” because he is God's main spokesman – not because he is or used to be a literal word from God's mouth.
2. That is your misunderstanding of one scripture, Wakeup. Jesus told the Pharisees to whom he was talking that THEY had never heard God's voice. Many others DID hear God's own voice in the scriptures.
3. That conjecture on your part would not be necessary if you understood that many HUMANS heard the actual voice of God. It was God Himself who spoke from heaven, and said, “This is my beloved Son……”.
Mike B.
Are you calling Jesus a liar?
He said: no man has heard God's voice.Please explain your version of the Word of God.
He was a spokesman, and who is he,and how did he began,
or created?wakeup.
mikeboll64,April wrote:[/quote]
Quote God Himself was in heaven, and completely able to speak to His angels while His main spokesman, the Word, was on earth. Mike,
THAT'S YOUR WORLDLY CORRUPTED WISDOM WHICH MAKES YOU DETERMINE GOD'S WORKS, FUNCTIONS, AND ATTRIBUTES!
GOD'S WISDOM SAYS:
GOD WAS AND IS BOTH IN HEAVEN AND ON EARTH
ETERNALLY!
OMNIPRESENCE, OMNIPOTENCE, AND OMNISCIENCE
NOTHING EXISTS WITHOUT HIS PRESENCE WITHIN!
THIS WAS ONLY POSSIBLE
THROUGH THE WORD NOT DIRECTLY!
THE WORD IS IN YOU, ATTACHED TO YOU
EVEN IF YOU BECOME A DEVIL AGAIN LIKE ALL HUMANS WERE, THE WORD REMAINS IN YOU TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU KEEP ON EXISTING, AND SOME DAY YOU WOULD BE REDEEMED EVEN IF IT TAKES AN ENDLESS TIME!
FOR THE SIMPLE REASON THAT THE WORD IS THE ETERNAL LIFE
you are from beneath, HELL!
I AM FROM ABOVE HEAVEN!
Peace and love in Jesus
Charles
Wakeup,April wrote:[/quote]
Quote That spirit was the Holy Spirit that has always been in Him. Wakeup,
ANOTHER SPAGHETTI FOR YOU!
WHERE IN SCRIPTURE WE CAN READ THAT THE HOLY SPIRIT WAS IN JESUS?
THAT SPIRIT WHICH JESUS REFERRED TO WAS NOT THE HOLY SPIRIT BUT:
HIS OWN SPIRIT THE SON'S
THAT PARTICULAR SPIRIT WAS NEVER IN JESUS YET!
UP TO THAT MOMENT IN TIME HE SAID THOSE WORDS!
THE FACT THAT HE ASKED THE FATHER FOR IT!
SO IF JESUS' FLESH BODY WAS THE WORDFOR SURE!
THEREFORE THAT SPIRIT WAS
THE WORD'S SPIRIT, THE MEDIATOR SPIRIT!
THE SON'S SPIRIT! WHICH WAS IN THE BOSOM OF THE FATHER!
BEFORE THE WORLD WAS!
AND LEFT THE FATHER UNDER THE TITLE OF
THE WORD
WITH THE FULL POWER OF GOD!
OR
GOD IN THE FUNCTION OF A MEDIATOR
OK?
NOW HERE IS GOD'S WISDOM, WHICH FOR YOU IS SPAGHETTI
IF THE WORD WAS JESUS FLESH BODY! FOR SURE!
AND THE WORD WAS THE SON'S SPIRIT, WHO LEFT THE FATHER FROM HIS BOSOM, BEFORE THE WORLD WAS TO CREATE ALL, FOR SURE
WHERE WAS THIS PARTICULAR SPIRIT THAT JESUS REFERRED TO THEN?
IF YOU DON'T AGREE AND ALSO CONSIDER MY STATEMENT SPAGHETTI ON A PLATE, PROVE IT THROUGH SCRIPTURES!
Peace and love in Jesus
Charles
carmel.
Quote THE SON'S SPIRIT! WHICH WAS IN THE BOSOM OF THE FATHER!
BEFORE THE WORLD WAS!You also said that the Holy Spirit was not in Jesus from his beginning. What is going on Carmel?
Matthew 1:18 Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found ***with child of the Holy Ghost***.
Matthew 1:20 But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife:
***for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost***.wakeup.
Wakeup,April wrote:[/quote]
Quote Matthew 1:18 Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found ***with child of the Holy Ghost***. Matthew 1:20 But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife:
***for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost***.Wakeup,
YOU DIDN'T UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU CONSIDERED THE SPAGHETTI POST!
MY QUESTION WAS AS CLEAR AS CRYSTAL:
WHERE IN SCRIPTURE WE CAN READ THAT :
THE HOLY SPIRIT IS IN JESUS
IN THE ABOVE SCRIPTURES BOTH SAID:
with child of the Holy Ghost***.
SO OF THE HOLY GHOST IT DOES NOT MEAN THAT THE HOLY SPIRIT WAS IN JESUS! NO?
IT CLEARLY DESCRIBES THAT THE CHILD WAS COMPOSED THROUGHOUT OF GOD'S SUBSTANCE, THE HOLY SPIRIT OF GOD THE FATHER!
NOW A FEW POSTS BACK I TOLD YOU THAT JESUS' SOUL WAS THE HOLY SPIRIT!
THEREFORE IF ACCORDING TO YOU THE HOLY SPIRIT WAS IN JESUS, SO IN A WAY YOU ARE RIGHT,
FROM THE OTHER HAND, I AM ALSO RIGHT THAT IN JESUS,THE HOLY SPIRIT FUNCTIONED ONLY AS HIS SOUL!
JESUS’ SOUL BUILT JESUS BODY, IN THE SAME WAY OUR SOUL BUILT OUR BODY IN ORDER TO BE IN ALL THINGS LIKE HIS BRETHREN!
AND THROUGH THAT FUNCTION, THE HOLY SPIRT, JESUS’SOUL GLORIFIED ON THE CROSS IN THE SAME INSTANT THAT JESUS' FLESH BODY THE WORD DIED HIS DEATH!
READ SOME SPAGHETTI NOW!
SO WHILE JESUS' FLESH BODY DIED, THE HOLY SPIRIT, AS JESUS' SOUL, RECEIVED ALL THE CHARACTERISTICS FROM THE FLESH BODY OF JESUS, AND UNIFIED THEM IN HIMSELF, AND GOD FOR THE FIRST TIME EVER BECAME BOTH FLESH, AND SPIRIT!
BOTH THE ONLY TRUE GOD, IN JESUS’ SOUL , EX HOLY SPIRIT,
AND JESUS CHRIST, IN JESUS FLESH BODY, THE EX WORD THE SON'S SPIRIT WHICH LEFT THE FATHER BEFORE THE WORLD WAS!
NOW IT IS ALL IN THIS SCRIPTURE HEREUNDER BUT PLEASE REFLECT, FOR THE LOVE OF JESUS!
John 13:31 When he therefore was gone out, Jesus said: Now is the Son of man NOTICE SON OF MAN A REFERENCE TO THE FLESH glorified, and God is glorified in him.A REFERENCE TO JESUS' SOUL EX HOLY SPIRIT!
WITH WHAT ELSE COULD GOD BE GLORIFIED, IF NOT WITH THE HOLY SPIRIT?
32If God be glorified in him, AGAIN A REFERENCE TO THE FLESH
God also will glorify him in himself; A REFERENCE THAT THE FLESH BODY IS GLORIFIED WITH HIS SOUL and immediately will he glorify him. IN THE SAME INSTANT THAT JESUS' FLESH BODY DIED, NOT BEFORE OR AFTER!
OBVIOUS THROUGH SATANA'S SPIRIT OF DEATH, BY ITS INSERTION WITHIN JESUS' SOUL AND TOOK HIM TO HELL!
BUT INSTEAD GOD GLORIFIED THROUGH JESUS' SOUL UNITED AS ONE WITH JESUS’ FLESH, TOOK SATANA TO HELL!
AND CONFIRMED TO ALL THOSE IN HELL THAT HE WAS THE ONLY TRUE GOD IN FLESH
WHILE IN HELL FIRE!
KEEP IN MIND THAT THIS WAS THE GLORIFICATION FROM JESUS’SOUL SIDE! AS SON OF GOD! IMMEDIATELY ON DEATH
THEN JESUS FLESH BODY, AS SON OF MAN, GLORIFIED ON HIS OWN, AFTER THREE DAYS IN THE TOMB, AND UNIFIED THE CHARACTERISTICS OF HIS FATHER’S SPIRIT WITH HIS BODY, AND ALSO BECAME A SPIRITUAL FLESH BODY!
THEN AFTER THREE NIGHTS, THE SAME EVENING WHEN HE RESURRECTED, BOTH JESUS'SOUL, EX HOLY SPIRIT, THE WORD MADE FLESH
AND JESUS' BODY,EX WORD THE SON'S SPIRIT INTEGRATED AND BECAME
ON SUBSTANCE!
BOTH GOD AND MAN,
THE ONLY TRUE GOD, AND JESUS CHRIST
JESUS CONFIRMED THIS AND SAID:
HE WILL TAKE OF WHAT IS MINE!THEREFORE JESUS' FLESH ATTRIBUTES! TO GOD!
AND: ALL YOURS ARE MINE GOD'S ATTRIBUTES TO JESUS!
Peace and love in Jesus
Charles
Quote (Wakeup @ April 03 2014,22:07) Mike B. Are you calling Jesus a liar?
He said: no man has heard God's voice.
I'm not calling Jesus a liar, but Jesus never said that which you claim he did, Wakeup.Read it in context:
John 5 KJV
37 And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape.38 And ye have not his word abiding in you: for whom he hath sent, him ye believe not.
39 Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.
40 And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life.
The pronoun “ye” refers to the same group of people in that entire context. It is the people who will not come to Jesus, because they refuse to believe in him, who don't have God's word abiding in them because they have never heard God's voice.
Jesus was talking ONLY to that particular group of people, Wakeup. Jesus was saying that that particular group of people had never heard God's voice. He WASN'T saying that “no man” had ever heard God's voice.
Quote (Wakeup @ April 03 2014,22:07) Please explain your version of the Word of God.
He was a spokesman, and who is he,and how did he began,
or created?
The Word is Jesus Christ, who was, is, and always will be God's main spokesman. He began when God brought him forth into existence as the first of His works. He is the firstborn of EVERY creature, and the beginning of the creation by his God, Jehovah.He is also a god, and is therefore called such by Jehovah Himself in both Isaiah 9:6, and Hebrews 1:8-9. He is the god who was with “THE God Jehovah” in the beginning – before Jehovah created all other things through him.
He is not now, nor has he ever been, a literal word God spoke out of His mouth. Nor has he ever been the God he serves as prophet and priest.
MikeB.
John 5:28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
The voice is of Jesus.The words are of God.
John 5:37 And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at ***any time***, ***nor seen his shape***.
What Moses heard and saw, was the being speaking God's words. That being is called the Word; and the Word was with God.
The Word also spoke to Adam, and the serpent,and Moses.
wakeup.
wakeup.
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