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Quote (Wakeup @ Mar. 21 2014,16:35) Gods Word brought things into action.
Wakeup,Saying that God SPOKE all things into creation is not the same as saying some of the words God spoke actually went out and did the creating.
Imagine: Word was sent from King David, telling his army to invade Philistia.
Now WHO ordered the invasion of the Philistines? David himself? Or the word of David?
Your loopy doctrine causes you to give the credit of creation to a literal word God spoke – as if God Himself isn't the one who created, but some other entity that God spoke out of His mouth.
You need to start from scratch.
Quote (Wakeup @ Mar. 21 2014,16:35) THE Word identified himself as *US*.(LET US).(Genesis).
This is what I'm talking about. Now you've convinced yourself that Jehovah Himself isn't the one who said, “Let us……..”. You say it was this OTHER entity who said those words, and by saying that, you take glory and credit away from God, who WAS the one who said them.One failed doctrine leads to many more failed “cover up” doctrines.
Start from scratch. Erase all you thought you knew about “the Word of God”, and start over. I will help you if you let me.
Wakeup,
If you cannot answer because you realize you've been caught in your own web of nonsense, then just say so.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 24 2014,05:35) Wakeup, If you cannot answer because you realize you've been caught in your own web of nonsense, then just say so.
Mike B.You have been debating this for the last ten years or more.
Where are the fruits? Can you not see that the tree needs good soil and water, to bear any fruits?
It only took Jesus three and a half years to teach his apostles all things. And they have received all the knowledge.
Yet they are of the poor and simple.Can you not see the wall standing in front of you?
You need to climb over that wall to see what is hidden behind.You need to be weaned from the breast.The gospels are basic knowledge for the gentiles to witness.
And many of you have not even managed to understand.
Therefore the back and forth,and forth, and back chatter.
The hole gets deeper and deeper,untill there is no escape.
But if you love to stay in the hole,there you will stay.
Ten years so far. Stay in that same hole till kingdom come.wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Mar. 20 2014,15:46) Quote And that same Word was made flesh.(dust of the earth). Wakeup,
JESUS WAS THE WORD MADE FLESH!
THE WORD WAS GOD! THE TRIUNE MEDIATOR GOD!
SO JESUS CAME FROM HEAVEN!
THEREFORE JESUS HAD NOTHING OF EARTH! NEVER MIND DUST!
DUST ARE ONLY DEAD CREATURES! US! EX LUCIFER AND HIS ANGELS!
JESUS' FLESH BODY ALTHOUGH WAS FLESH, WAS ALSO A LIVING SUBSTANCE, HE HAD LIFE IN HIMSELF! NOT LIKE OURS DEAD!
THE REASON THAT HE RAISED HIMSELF UP! BECAUSE HE WAS GOD MADE FLESH!
THE WORD MADE FLESH
John 5:26 For as the Father hath life in himself, so he hath given the Son also to HAVE LIFE IN HIMSELF:
OK?
JESUS IN THE ABOVE, A HUMAN FLESH SUBSTANCE, COMPARED HIMSELF EQUALLY WITH HIS FATHER A SPIRIT SUBSTANCE! REGARDING A LIVING SUBSTANCE!
DUE TO THE FACT THAT JESUS WAS A LIFE GIVING SPIRIT!
THE REASON THAT HE CAME TO DIE HIS PARTICULAR UNIQUE DEATH, FOR ALL THE DEAD CREATURES TO GIVE THEM THE ETERNAL LIFE!
NOT ONLY THAT, BUT ON THE LAST DAY ALL CREATURES WOULD ACQUIRE ALSO A NEW FLESH SUBSTANCE!
JESUS CONFIRMED THIS AND SAID:
John 26:29 And I say to you, I will not drink from henceforth of this fruit
A REFERENCE OF HIS FLESH BODY
of the vine, until that day when I shall drink it
WITH YOU NEW YOU IS A REFERENCE TO THE CHURCH, THE BRIDE! AND HE IS THE HEAD! AND JESUS' HEAD IS GOD!
in the kingdom of my Father. THE KINGDOM IS JESUS HIMSELF IN ALL THE ENTIRE CREATURES, HIS SUBSTANCE, THE WORD! AND THE FATHER IS JESUS' HEAD!
THE WORD IS IN ALL THE ENTIRE CREATURES
ALL BY HIM, ALL WITH HIM! OK?
BEFORE YOU SAY SOMETHING REGARDING THE WORD MAKE SURE YOU ARE IN YOUR SENSES,
BECAUSE THE WORD IS WITHIN YOU, AND THE WORD IS THE TRIUNE MEDIATOR GOD!
Peace and love in Jesus
Charles
Quote (carmel @ Mar. 25 2014,05:34) WAKEUP, I KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT!
Carmel.I know that you know what you are talking about.
But not according to the Word of God.
You have received another doctrine.
You are happy and satisfied with it.
You see it as treasure.Untill your eyes are really truly opened.
Then you can see all the junk you have been keeping.
Like a horder can not see; that all he is keeping is junk.
He can not see the cause of the cockroaches,and mice.He will heap up more and more junk.
Untill someone opnened his eyes.
That some one has to be the HS.
No one else can.wakeup.
Wakeup,Mar. wrote:[/quote]
Quote I know that you know what you are talking about.
But not according to the Word of God.Wakeup,
I POSTED A POST TO YOU,AND UNLESS YOU PROVE WHAT YOU ARE CLAIMING,
I TAKE IT THAT YOU EITHER HAVE NO ANSWER FOR IT, OR YOU SIMPLY WON'T ADMIT IT IS THE TRUTH!
SO INSTEAD OF :
BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH!
POST SOMETHING THAT SUBSTANTIALLY PROVEN IN SCRIPTURE WHICH CONTRADICTS MY POST!
or else BAIL like others did already!
Peace and love in Jesus
Charles
Carmel.
You are preaching another God, and another Jesus, and gospel. I can not serve you.
Change your bible,for your own sake.wakeup.
Wakeup,Mar. wrote:[/quote]
Quote You are preaching another God, and another Jesus, and gospel. I can not serve you.
Change your bible,for your own sake.Wakeup,
I POSTED MY POST AGAIN!
FOR THE LOVE OF JESUS CHRIST!
WHERE ACCORDING TO YOUR BIBLE,
I HAVE PREACHED A DIFFERENT GOD, JESUS CHRIST, AND A GOSPEL?
SO AGAIN READ, PIN POINT, AND SUPPORT YOUR ARGUMENTS WITH SCRIPTURES, TO PROVE THAT IT IS NOT ACCORDING TO YOUR BIBLE!
JESUS WAS THE WORD MADE FLESH!
THE WORD WAS GOD! THE TRIUNE MEDIATOR GOD!
SO JESUS CAME FROM HEAVEN!
THEREFORE JESUS HAD NOTHING OF EARTH! NEVER MIND DUST!
DUST ARE ONLY DEAD CREATURES! US! EX LUCIFER AND HIS ANGELS!
JESUS' FLESH BODY ALTHOUGH WAS FLESH, WAS ALSO A LIVING SUBSTANCE, HE HAD LIFE IN HIMSELF! NOT LIKE OURS DEAD!
THE REASON THAT HE RAISED HIMSELF UP! BECAUSE HE WAS GOD MADE FLESH!
THE WORD MADE FLESH
John 5:26 For as the Father hath life in himself, so he hath given the Son also to HAVE LIFE IN HIMSELF:
OK?
JESUS IN THE ABOVE, A HUMAN FLESH SUBSTANCE, COMPARED HIMSELF EQUALLY WITH HIS FATHER A SPIRIT SUBSTANCE! REGARDING A LIVING SUBSTANCE!
DUE TO THE FACT THAT JESUS WAS A LIFE GIVING SPIRIT!
THE REASON THAT HE CAME TO DIE HIS PARTICULAR UNIQUE DEATH, FOR ALL THE DEAD CREATURES TO GIVE THEM THE ETERNAL LIFE!
NOT ONLY THAT, BUT ON THE LAST DAY ALL CREATURES WOULD ACQUIRE ALSO A NEW FLESH SUBSTANCE!
JESUS CONFIRMED THIS AND SAID:
John 26:29 And I say to you, I will not drink from henceforth of this fruit
A REFERENCE OF HIS FLESH BODY
of the vine, OF THE KINGDOM until that day when I shall drink it
WITH YOU NEW YOU IS A REFERENCE TO THE CHURCH, THE BRIDE! AND HE IS THE HEAD! AND JESUS' HEAD IS GOD!
in the kingdom of my Father. THE KINGDOM IS JESUS HIMSELF IN ALL THE ENTIRE CREATURES, HIS SUBSTANCE, THE WORD! AND GOD IS JESUS' HEAD!
THE WORD IS IN ALL THE ENTIRE CREATURES
ALL BY HIM, ALL WITH HIM! OK?
SO I AM EXPECTING FROM YOU WHAT YOU CONSIDER NOT WITHIN YOUR BIBLE!
Peace and love in Jesus
Charles
Carmel; not to put you down or anything.
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I POSTED MY POST AGAIN!
FOR THE LOVE OF JESUS CHRIST!
WHERE ACCORDING TO YOUR BIBLE,
I HAVE PREACHED A DIFFERENT GOD, JESUS CHRIST, AND A GOSPEL?
SO AGAIN READ, PIN POINT, AND SUPPORT YOUR ARGUMENTS WITH SCRIPTURES, TO PROVE THAT IT IS NOT ACCORDING TO YOUR BIBLE!You preach Jesus is God,and a three in one God.
And what is this below?
(DUST ARE ONLY DEAD CREATURES! US! EX LUCIFER AND HIS ANGELS!).??Quote
JESUS WAS THE WORD MADE FLESH!I agree.
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THE WORD WAS GOD! THE TRIUNE MEDIATOR GOD!The Word WAS God before the beginning;not after the beginning. There is no triune. God is one.
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SO JESUS CAME FROM HEAVEN!No: The Word came from heaven and was transformed into flesh(Jesus). The flesh did not come from heaven.
Jesus was born on earth.Quote
THEREFORE JESUS HAD NOTHING OF EARTH! NEVER MIND DUST!Flesh is of earth,He ate earthly food.He bleeds just like us
humans. He suffered like we do.Quote
DUST ARE ONLY DEAD CREATURES! US! EX LUCIFER AND HIS ANGELS!Adam was made of the dust of the earth and was made a living soul. we are all of the dust, and are living souls.
Not dead souls.ANGELS HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH DUST;THEY ARE SPIRIT CREATURES.Quote
JESUS' FLESH BODY ALTHOUGH WAS FLESH, WAS ALSO A LIVING SUBSTANCE, HE HAD LIFE IN HIMSELF! NOT LIKE OURS DEAD!He had life in Himself because the fulness of God dwelleth in Him. But the flesh died. The temple of God(Jesus) was destroyed.Destroy this temple and in three days I will raise him up.God speaking through Jesus.
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THE REASON THAT HE RAISED HIMSELF UP! BECAUSE HE WAS GOD MADE FLESH!He did not raise Himself up; God did. Or His death was a fake death.
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THE WORD MADE FLESHAgree.
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John 5:26 For as the Father hath life in himself, so he hath given the Son also to HAVE LIFE IN HIMSELF:He had life in him self but died; really really dead.
God will not let Him see curruption,so he was resurrected
by God after three days.Quote
OK?
JESUS IN THE ABOVE, A HUMAN FLESH SUBSTANCE, COMPARED HIMSELF EQUALLY WITH HIS FATHER A SPIRIT SUBSTANCE! REGARDING A LIVING SUBSTANCE!No; Not when He is in the flesh;but after His resurrection.
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DUE TO THE FACT THAT JESUS WAS A LIFE GIVING SPIRIT!The life giving spirit is his words;his teachings.
We need to eath His flesh to have everlasting life.
John 6:48–58.Quote
THE REASON THAT HE CAME TO DIE HIS PARTICULAR UNIQUE DEATH, FOR ALL THE DEAD CREATURES TO GIVE THEM THE ETERNAL LIFE!Agree. But not all creatures,like animals.
He died for men only.Quote
NOT ONLY THAT, BUT ON THE LAST DAY ALL CREATURES WOULD ACQUIRE ALSO A NEW FLESH SUBSTANCE!In the resurrection we will be as the angels.
The flesh is done away with.The flesh turned to dust.
If you are born of the spirit;you are spirit.Quote
JESUS CONFIRMED THIS AND SAID:
John 26:29 And I say to you, I will not drink from henceforth of this fruit
A REFERENCE OF HIS FLESH BODY
of the vine, OF THE KINGDOM until that day when I shall drink itHe will drink wine with them in His kingdom to come.
Because He is going to His Father.That was his last meal and drink on earth.Quote
WITH YOU NEW YOU IS A REFERENCE TO THE CHURCH, THE BRIDE! AND HE IS THE HEAD! AND JESUS' HEAD IS GOD!No; Not the church. *YOU*,meaning the apostles.
Jesus head is God/ agree.Quote
in the kingdom of my Father. THE KINGDOM IS JESUS HIMSELF IN ALL THE ENTIRE CREATURES, HIS SUBSTANCE, THE WORD! AND GOD IS JESUS' HEAD!The kingdom will be a physical kingdom,in israel.
And they will dwell safely all of them jews. The saints will be resurected in spirit and will be kings and priests over them.
They(saints), have inherited all things. But not the jews. Not yet.
They will be brought back by choice in the flesh.EZ 37.
The dry bones.(israel).Quote
THE WORD IS IN ALL THE ENTIRE CREATURES
ALL BY HIM, ALL WITH HIM! OK?
SO I AM EXPECTING FROM YOU WHAT YOU CONSIDER NOT WITHIN YOUR BIBLE!What are you saying here?
The Word was with God before He made the earth.
Before He made Adam.wakeup.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 23 2014,04:21) Quote (Wakeup @ Mar. 21 2014,16:35) THE Word identified himself as *US*.(LET US).(Genesis).
This is what I'm talking about. Now you've convinced yourself that Jehovah Himself isn't the one who said, “Let us……..”. You say it was this OTHER entity who said those words, and by saying that, you take glory and credit away from God, who WAS the one who said them.One failed doctrine leads to many more failed “cover up” doctrines.
Start from scratch. Erase all you thought you knew about “the Word of God”, and start over. I will help you if you let me.
Take the false theology beam out of your own eye first Mike.Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 22 2014,09:10) My point was that John said no man had ever seen God…….. yet MANY men saw Jesus. Ergo, Jesus is NOT God.
You have been refuted in the past Mike. The word “see” has to do with the eyes of the understanding.No man has comprehended God; the only God who is at the Father's side has EXPLAINED Him.
Example:
It is written in the prophets, ‘And they shall all be taught by God. ’Therefore everyone who has heard and learned from the Father comes to Me. 46 Not that anyone has seen the Father, except He who is from God; He has seen the Father. 47 Most assuredly, I say to you, he who believes in Me has everlasting life.
Those who have been taught and have learned have seen the Father.
If you deny that seeing here is with the eyes of the understanding, then you are willfully blind. You have not grown at all Mike. I expect to see some intelllectual progress when I drop in here.
Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ Mar. 26 2014,19:25) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 22 2014,09:10) My point was that John said no man had ever seen God…….. yet MANY men saw Jesus. Ergo, Jesus is NOT God.
The word “see” has to do with the eyes of the understanding.No man has comprehended God; the only God who is at the Father's side has EXPLAINED Him.
Were the people able to comprehend “the only God who is at the Father's side”?Apparently they were, since he was the one who EXPLAINED “God” to them, right?
So either way, you end up with a “God” that no man has ever comprehended/seen, and a DIFFERENT PERSON who they DID comprehend/see.
If they were able to “see” Jesus, but not God, then Jesus isn't God.
If they were able to “comprehend” Jesus, but not God, then Jesus isn't God.
Six of one, half dozen of the other.
Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ Mar. 26 2014,19:25) I expect to see some intelllectual progress when I drop in here.
Shoot……. me and the scriptures used to beat you up on a daily basis when I was just a babe, reading through the Bible for my very first time.I've come a long way since then, dude. Praise Jah!
(Btw, if you are going to insult me using the word “intellectual”, then at least spell the word correctly, okay?
)No human eye can ever see God and live.
So man has no chance in seeing God ever,in the flesh.
But God loved us; so He send His image in flesh form,
So we can see; feel;and touch him.And that image is God's own Word.
God's Word was, and is alive.
He was alive when He was in heaven;
and He was alive when He was on earth.wakeup.
Wakeup,Mar. wrote:[/quote]
Quote You preach Jesus is God,and a three in one God. Wakeup,
IS THAT SOMETHING NEW FOR YOU?
WHAT KIND OF GOD DOES YOUR BIBLE PROCLAIM?
Peace and love in Jesus
Charles
Wakeup,Mar. wrote:.
Quote And what is this below?
(DUST ARE ONLY DEAD CREATURES! US! EX LUCIFER AND HIS ANGELS!).??Wakeup,
YOU ARE PREOCCUPIED BECAUSE I SAID: DUST ARE ONLY DEAD CREATURES! US! EX LUCIFER AND HIS ANGELS!
AND FROM THE OTHER HAND YOU SHOUTED THAT JESUS CHRIST, THE ONLY SINLESS PERFECT MAN, THE ONLY ETERNAL LIFE, THE LIFE GIVING SPIRIT, THE SON OF GOD, GOD IN FLESH:
DUST!
HE SAID TO ADAM: YOU ARE DUST NOT YOU WERE DUST, SO ADAM BECAME DUST AFTER HE SINNED! HE DIED SPIRITUALLY.
WHEN HE WAS CREATED HE WAS CREATED FROM MUD, OR SLIME, THEREFORE WATER,WHICH GOD RAISED FROM THE GROUND, SPIRIT,
AND DUST MATTER !
HE WAS CREATED VERY GOOD!
NOW READ: Matthew 8:22 But Jesus said to him: Follow me, and LET THE DEAD BURY THE THEIR DEAD.
1 Peter 2:10 Who in time past were not a people:………. THEREFORE DEVILS IN FLESH, WHAT ELSE?
John 8 :23 And he said to them: You are from beneath, HELL THEREFORE DEVILS IN FLESH! NO?
I am from above. You are of this world, I am not of this world.
John 8:44 You are of YOUR FATHER THE DEVIL…….. THEREFORE DEVILS IN FLESH! NO DOUBT!
SO IS THERE ANY DOUBT THAT WE WERE, EX LUCIFER SUBSTANCE!
THANKS FOR JESUS!
THAT ALTHOUGH WE ARE CHRISTIANS, WE STILL HAVE TO RESURRECT IN THE SPIRIT WHEN WE DIE WHO HAS BEEN DEAD SINCE ADAM SINNED IN ORDER TO BE JUDGED IN OUR SOULS!
AGAIN THANKS FOR JESUS!
Peace and love in Jesus
Charles
Wakeup,Mar. wrote:[/quote]
Quote The Word WAS God before the beginning;not after the beginning. There is no triune. God is one. Wakeup,
YES! THE WORD WAS GOD,BEFORE THE BEGINNING BUT NOT AS A MEDIATOR YET SINCE THERE WERE NO CREATURES!
BUT ONCE THE DEITY WAS ABOUT TO CREATE, THE FIRST THING WHICH WAS ESTABLISHED WAS:
THE WORD!
A SPIRIT WHICH EXTERNALLY WAS THE SON,AS THE LEADING ROLE, ATTACHED TO ALL CREATURES AS A MEDIATOR/CREATOR AND A LIFE GIVING SPIRIT, TO MAINTAIN ETERNAL LIFE IN ALL CREATURES NO MATTER WHAT!
WITHIN THE SON, THE HOLY SPIRIT, THROUGH WHOM THE FULL POWER OF THE FATHER WAS SUPPLIED!
SO GOD WAS FUNCTIONING BOTH INTERNALLY WITHIN THE SON, AND ALSO EXTERNALLY BY THE SON,
AND THAT WAS THE WORD! GOD IN A NEW DIFFERENT FUNCTION IN ORDER TO CREATE! AS A MEDIATOR GOD!
SCRIPTURE IS CLEAR :
A MEDIATOR IS NOT OF ONE, BUT GOD IS ONE, THEREFORE GOD HIMSELF IS HIS OWN MEDIATOR IN THE WORDFROM CREATION!
IN THE SAME WAY WHEN HE WAS ON EARTH!
THEREFORE HE BECAME THE ONLY MEDIATOR BETWEEN MAN AND GOD!
IN THAT WAY THE SON, IN FULL POWER, ABSORBED ALL EVIL COMMITTED THROUGH THE AGES,FROM THE FIRST DAY OF CREATION, AND THAN HE HIMSELF LOADED WITH ALL THE ENTIRE EVIL IN HIS BODY, BECAME MAN AND HE SACRIFICED HIMSELF ON THE CROSS, TO REDEEM ALL!
AND THAT IS THE TRINITY IN ONE GOD, WITH THE WORD, AND IN THE WORD
AND THROUGH THAT TRINITY THE WORD GOD CREATED ALL!
1 Peter 2:24 Who his own self bore our sins in his body upon the tree: that we, being dead to sins, should live to justice: by whose stripes you were healed.
SO YOU BELIEVE IN WHATEVER YOU WANT TO BELIEVE!
BUT I AM MORE THAN CONVINCED THAT THE PERFECTION OF ALL CREATION IS THE TRINITY, OR A TRIUNE GOD! OR THE WORD, OR THE SON IN FULL POWER OF GOD, AS EXPLAINED!
Peace and love in Jesus
Charles
Quote (carmel @ Mar. 29 2014,08:26) Wakeup,Mar. wrote:[/quote]
Quote You preach Jesus is God,and a three in one God. Wakeup,
IS THAT SOMETHING NEW FOR YOU?
WHAT KIND OF GOD DOES YOUR BIBLE PROCLAIM?
Peace and love in Jesus
Charles
Carmel.God is a spirit and He is one great spirit.
He can also speak;you know?
And what comes out when He speaks, are his words.
He is God, and his Word is alive: living.His Word on earth was also alive;a living person.
The written Word of God is on earth today, and is also spiritally alive.The words in the Holy bible are spiritually alive.
Living words: Not dead words.
He is so much alive that He can even give life.God and his Word is of the ONE GOD.
The Holy Spirit is in the word;therefore is called words of truth.The Holy Spirit is the Spirit of truth.(the comforter).God controles his speech/word, always.
I like to controle my speech as much as I can.
My speech can make one happy, angry, or sad,or give encouragement. My speech can be positive or negative.wakeup.
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