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Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 18 2012,13:16) God surely gave Solomon knowledge beyond any other man. And just as surely, God intended for Solomon to use that knowledge. God may not have given any of us the great mind He gave Solomon, but surely He wouldn't give us one ounce of logic and knowledge if He didn't intend for us to USE those things.
Hi,
The wisdom of Solomon was of God's anointing.
That is why it is in the bible.I can't believe how men worship at the altar of their own minds
Nick……….Did God not say COME LETS “reason together” do you think God who gave us the ability to reason expects us not to use it? A mind is a “REASONING PROCESSOR” and if guided by the Mind of GOD it will reason as GOD does. Why does Scripture say let this mind be in you that was in Christ Jesus our lord. You seem to think every time a person tries to apply logic or reason to what he or she reads that is wrong , why is that NICK? Did not God give us this ability and does he expect us to now throw it all away? When people do that then all these false teachings come turning true religion into, MYSTERY RELIGIOUS teachings. Like demons Satan Ghosts Spirit Bodies, going around as Beings jumping in and out of People at will. We all including you only see partly, as if looking through an obscure glass.
Knowledge, wisdom, understanding, and sacrifice are not the greatest thing, LOVE is according to Jesus and Paul and the disciples. None of them or Us have it all i assure you of that. So we try to grow in GRACE and KNOWLEDGE as GOD sees fit to give it to us. IMO
peace and love to you and yours…………………………………………gene
Hi GB,
Indeed we are to attain to the mind of Christ.
Did Jesus not speak of the evil spirits you deny?
Do you really think your vision is clearer than his?Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 18 2012,09:28) Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 18 2012,13:16) God surely gave Solomon knowledge beyond any other man. And just as surely, God intended for Solomon to use that knowledge. God may not have given any of us the great mind He gave Solomon, but surely He wouldn't give us one ounce of logic and knowledge if He didn't intend for us to USE those things.
Hi,
The wisdom of Solomon was of God's anointing.
That is why it is in the bible.I can't believe how men worship at the altar of their own minds
Nick,Ecclesiastes 7:5
King James Version (KJV)5It is better to hear the rebuke of the wise, than for a man to hear the song of fools.
Solomon is not the only one God granted wisdom to. It is a fool that ignores the wisdom of the wise.
Proverbs 8:33
King James Version (KJV)33Hear instruction, and be wise, and refuse it not.
and
Proverbs 12:15
King James Version (KJV)15The way of a fool is right in his own eyes: but he that hearkeneth unto counsel is wise.
You are to test the spirits of what is said to see if it is of God or of the Evil One; not toss it out because it is reasoning.
God uses men as his tools.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 19 2012,03:40) Hi KW,
But God has scant respect for the wisdom of men.
Nick,A human being may either employ the wisdom of God or of man. God clearly uses reasoning but his wisdom depend on his principles while that of man depends on those principles that fall short of God's righteousness.
Jesus, a human being that speaks godly wisdom, teaches us to seek God's righteousness and kingdom. The reasoning of God teaches men to obtain both God's righteousness and God's. The reasoning of man is to tell the itching ears of those that love sin, and so will not come into the light, that they are safe.
This is why we are instructed to test the spirits of what we hear from men, believe as a man, and do as a man.
God has no respect for that reasoning that comes from the sinful nature of man and not the Spirit of God.
Quote (terraricca @ April 17 2012,20:53) Mike and all Solomon wisdom seems not to save him from himself because he drew away from his God ,and went astray
True.Quote (Gene Balthrop @ April 18 2012,09:09) Nick……….Did God not say COME LETS “reason together” do you think God who gave us the ability to reason expects us not to use it?
Isaiah 1
16 Stop doing wrong,
17 learn to do right!
Seek justice,
encourage the oppressed.
Defend the cause of the fatherless,
plead the case of the widow.18 “Come now, let us reason together,”
says the LORD.Good scripture, Gene. Do we need a spirit to tell us what is “just” in every situation? Or did God give us a brain capable of figuring out on our own how to do these things listed in the scripture above?
“Submitting their minds“, Nick? Aren't you the one arguing that we shouldn't involve our minds at all?
I thought that's what the argument was all about: YOU saying our God-given minds, logic, and understanding are useless, and WE saying He wouldn't have given us such things if we weren't intended to use them.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 19 2012,04:51) Hi,
Yes men will fight bitterly against submitting their minds to scripture
Nick,I see you fighting by your beliefs. Test those beliefs to see what good they are for obtaining God's righteousness and his kingdom.
Scripture is the law. It is useful for teaching, training, correcting, and rebuking in righteousness but without the Spirit you will fall short of obtaining God's righteousness and his kingdom.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 18 2012,17:10) Hi MB,
The mind of Christ is the goal.
We must decrease and he must increase
Nick,How could you possibly have in you the mind of Christ when you don't even understand the teaching of Phil 2?
To you and many others, Jesus was nothing special. He was just the regular old human being that God decided to put His Spirit upon. Sure, he later died, but don't all men die? And sure, his death was cruel, but haven't millions (if not billions) died more torturous deaths than the one Jesus died?
In your mind, Jesus was the dude to whom God said, “Hey, I'm going to do great things for you, then you'll suffer ridicule and death, but three days after that, you're going to live forever.” Okay, so what was Jesus' great sacrifice? Wouldn't each and every one of us trade some ridicule and one terrible day on a stake for the power to perform many miracles, lead many lost ones to God, and for eternal life at the right hand of the Almighty Creator of All Things – ruling over His Kingdom along with Him forever? I sure would!
But that's not the mind of Christ that Paul speaks of in Phil 2, Nick. Paul speaks of the person who ALREADY existed alongside his God, saw all other things come into creation, and NEVER EVER had to die in the first place. Paul speaks about the sacrifice JESUS HIMSELF made by willingly giving up this wonderful, holy life in the presence of the Creator of the universe, being fashioned with an inhibiting sack of skin, and sent to dwell among faithless beings who were anything but holy. And to top it off, he knew he would also have to die a painful death.
Nick, that would be like you or me willingly giving up our current lifestyle to go live on an island of homosexual lepers – an island where we eat maggots once a day as our only food source. And to top it off, we know in advance that after 33 years of this life of our body parts slowly being eaten away by the disease of leprosy, the other lepers were going to gang-rape us, humiliate us, beat us brutally, and then kill us in a very painful way.
The mind of Christ of which Paul wrote would be demonstrated by us saying, “YES God! I will willingly go and do this thing you've asked because I know that by doing it, there is a chance that I might possibly bring one or two lost souls back to Your grace.”
Your Jesus sacrificed nothing. He was merely one of the billions of human beings who have been wrongfully murdered in the course of human history. Your Jesus traded one bad day for eternal life.
My Jesus traded away his already eternal life to live for many years away from his beloved God, among people who were even farther away from God, and to taste death in order that a few might be saved through his efforts.
We surely have different Lords, Nick.
Hi MB,
So you say.The reason Jesus obeyed is that he knew the will of God and chose to do just that.
That is what faith is for.And what's worse, your Jesus isn't even the scriptural Jesus. The scriptural Jesus came down from heaven – yours didn't. The scriptural Jesus was existing in the form of God before emptying himself of all that and being made into a human being – yours wasn't. The scriptural Jesus had the ages created through him – yours didn't.
How long will you continue to teach this unscriptual Jesus, Nick?
Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 18 2012,19:56) HI MB,
You do have a vivid imagination.
But men do not begin life in heaven do they?
Jn 8.40
And if God told you today that He decided to transform Michael the archangel into a man, would you deny His words, telling Him that “men do not begin life in heaven”?Your words on this site are mostly nonsense, Nick.
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