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  • #792600
    kerwin
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    Bodhitharta,

    Why do you call God, Allah? Allah is just say the God in Arabic, like Arabic is the holy language. It is the similar calling the chief son of David Jesus as Jesus is the Koine Greek translation of Hebrew Yehoshua and the Arabic Yeshua.

    #792612
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi KW,

    His actions are by the command of his master.

    #792613
    bodhitharta
    Participant

    Hi miia

    what makes you think the words of the Quran are God’s words?
    I once had a Quran and read some, and the words definitely did not seem the same as Jesus’ words.
    why would God give us the scriptures specifically the Gospels as truth and then change the truth? why would it say so much about Jesus including his death and resurrection only to change later to a different account.
    no, you cannot serve two masters and you cannot believe two different accounts: you can only believe one as true. closer to the source and time is best, and from the mouth of the savior and son of God from heaven.

    read again what you wrote and then think of yourself as a Jew around the time of Jesus, didn’t they think the same way as you? They didn’t believe Jesus the same way you deny Muhammad and the QUran and even today no Jew accepts the NT, gospels or Jesus but you know that they have the word of God, right?

    You also seem to think God had to change one thing in order for another to be true…can you show me where it says “the gospel according to God” what do you think “according to” means? why do the different versions often say completely different things? If you really believed what you just said why do you accept different accounts right there in the NT itself?

    And regarding what I said to Nick, he is not showing love for God, when he insists on saying that God somehow cannot have compassion or Mercy without Jesus…it’s not true and nonsensical..God sent Jesus not the other way around…God didn’t have a deficiency and Nick hates the very idea of God being Sovereign to do as he pleases this is wrong thinking, God can do whatever He wants with His creation.

    #792614
    bodhitharta
    Participant

    Hi Kerwin

    Why do you call God, Allah? Allah is just say the God in Arabic, like Arabic is the holy language. It is the similar calling the chief son of David Jesus as Jesus is the Koine Greek translation of Hebrew Yehoshua and the Arabic Yeshua.

    To say Allah is simply more accurate because it uses the Definite Article you are saying “The God” and that is the proper way to view God because there is Only One and there is no plural for Allah as you have in english you can say “gods” this doesn’t happen in Arabic with ALLAH there is no such thing as allahs.

    #792615
    bodhitharta
    Participant

    miia

    when you say the Quran doesn’t sound like the words of Jesus do they sound like the words of the Old Testament? You don’t really like lots of things in the OT perhaps you don’t believe those are the words of God either. see the problem here is some of you want to make your own God the way you like instead of actually listening to God. If you don’t think God should have people go to war, you just say God doesn’t do that, if you don’t like hell you say God doesn’t do that but when I say God saved his Messiah from crucifixion you say God wouldn’t do a thing like that…it’s crazy….would Jesus let you be crucified?

    #792636
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi BD,

    Yes men do not want to grasp the ways of God and would rather adapt them to human thinking.

    They would make their own salvation.

    Whosoever would save his own life will lose it.

     

    #792638
    bodhitharta
    Participant

    So Humans shouldn’t think like humans? How can we think any different?

    #792643
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi BD,

    When you are reborn from above you can have the MIND OF CHRIST

    1Cor 2

    Otherwise you will remain in darkness relying on dim intellectual hope.

    #792654
    NickHassan
    Participant

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    Hi BD,

    Unless you repent you will all likewise perish.

    God offers to wash us clean to enable us to be filled with and led by the Spirit.

    Of course pigs that are washed roll in the mud and some finish up in a worse state than when they started.

    #792655
    bodhitharta
    Participant

    Where are your scriptures about human beings shouldn’t think like human beings, you do know Christ was in the Flesh and yet you preach another Christ one that was not like his brethren, he came to show you what a HUMAN should be and how they should behave, perhaps you should get to know Jesus the Human Being.

    It is not for you to judge who has the spirit Nick, that is the realm of God. If you have the Spirit then praise God surely I could not know, I could feel that it is lacking in you because you are rather cold and unloving but I can not know whether you have the spirit or not. Elisha has the Spirit in great measure but when kids mocked him some bears came out the woods and killed them, so your disposition doesn’t mean you don’t have the spirit, likewise you have no way of knowing if I have the spirit or not. So I will tell, there is NO DOUBT that I have the Spirit of God governing my life so when you reject me or criticize me you are also doing the same to God and that is why I say attack the argument not the person and I could be wrong but you keep giving me the feeling that you prefer the Messiah over His Creator.

    #792656
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi BD,

    You prefer your prophet and his god over God and His Son.

    test the spirits.

    #792657
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi BD,

    Though we once spoke of Christ according to the flesh we no longer do so.

    Flesh contributes nothing.

     

    The testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy

     

    This is My Son in whom I am well pleased.

    listen to him

    #792659
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi BD,

    Prophets are anointed men.

    False prophets are false christs.

     

    God does not compromise with or tolerate false religions.

    Take care

    #792833
    Miia
    Participant

    read again what you wrote and then think of yourself as a Jew around the time of Jesus, didn’t they think the same way as you? They didn’t believe Jesus the same way you deny Muhammad and the QUran and even today no Jew accepts the NT, gospels or Jesus but you know that they have the word of God, right?

    You also seem to think God had to change one thing in order for another to be true…can you show me where it says “the gospel according to God” what do you think “according to” means? why do the different versions often say completely different things? If you really believed what you just said why do you accept different accounts right there in the NT itself?

    hi Bd,

    the four gospels are witnesses to the same stories, although not everything is in each. for example the raising of Lazarus is only in John I think. but most (including the death and resurrection) are in all four.
    the Quran on the other hand is different than the four gospels that are in agreement, so it is the odd one out.
    I believe that God was behind which books were placed in the new testament.

    And regarding what I said to Nick, he is not showing love for God, when he insists on saying that God somehow cannot have compassion or Mercy without Jesus…it’s not true and nonsensical..God sent Jesus not the other way around…God didn’t have a deficiency and Nick hates the very idea of God being Sovereign to do as he pleases this is wrong thinking, God can do whatever He wants with His creation.

    amen. God has compassion and mercy absolutely, and todays Muslims more so than anyone (from what I have seen) are having dreams and visions of.. Jesus!

    #792836
    Miia
    Participant

    miia

    when you say the Quran doesn’t sound like the words of Jesus do they sound like the words of the Old Testament? You don’t really like lots of things in the OT perhaps you don’t believe those are the words of God either. see the problem here is some of you want to make your own God the way you like instead of actually listening to God. If you don’t think God should have people go to war, you just say God doesn’t do that, if you don’t like hell you say God doesn’t do that but when I say God saved his Messiah from crucifixion you say God wouldn’t do a thing like that…it’s crazy….would Jesus let you be crucified?

    bd,
    if God saved Jesus from crucifixion and death then that’s what God did but the bible doesn’t say that.

    we can learn things about God through scriptures and through prayer and life itself. so it’s not a matter of picking and choosing what to believe out of scripture, but it’s a matter of seeing deeper, not only scripture but spirit also, in more than just words.

    the old testament may be different than the new testament, but it’s for different times.

    #792841
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi Mila,

    BD was a christian.

    Now he seeks to lead others away.

    #792873
    Ed J
    Participant

    Was not the book of Romans written to the Romans?
    And are not Romans called Gentiles?

    Romans 1:13 Now I would not have you ignorant, brethren, that oftentimes I purposed to come unto you, (but was let hitherto,) that I might have some fruit among you also, even as among other Gentiles.

    Good Call ED

    Thanks BD

    #792874
    Ed J
    Participant

    The Prophecy

    [size=16]“though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you
    than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed” (Galatians 1:8)
    “And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light” (2 Cor 11:14)[/size]

    The fulfillment

    “it (the quran) is a confirmation of that which was before it (sura 010.037)

    “the prince of this world cometh, and hath nothing in me” (John 14:30)

    #792875
    Ed J
    Participant

    BD said:
    “EDJ likes to pervert words and context”
    – and –
    “Jesus was never saying “God” but was far more likely saying “Alaha””

    It is you who is perverting words and context,
    “GOD” in Aramaic is ĔL-äh-hä; not ‘the curse’.
    “EL” is the God of the bible not ‘al’ Bodhitharta

    “al” in Arabic means “THE” – therefore ‘al-Lah’ in Arabic means: ‘the LAH’ and
    is the false god of Daniel 11:38, and Muhammad is the false prophet of Rev.13:13.

    B’shem
    YHVH

    #792876
    Ed J
    Participant
    bodhitharta wrote:

    Attribute they as partners to Allah those who created naught, but are themselves created,

    ( سورة الأعراف , Al-Araf, Chapter #7, Verse #191)

    Hi BD,

    Christians and Jews do not believe in ‘al-Lah’ (the LAH) and his partner Muhammad.

    We instead believe in the real God: “YHVH”

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