Jesus – LORD God – the evidence.

[Ed J]

Hi AWHN,

Thanks for your take on Luke 16:16.

Your brother
in Christ, Jesus.
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Anonymous]

Jesus, who from eternity being in the form of God, at one point took on the form of a servant, humbling himself:

Who being the brightness of [his] glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high; Hebrews 1:3

Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: Philippians 2:6

But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: Philippians 2:7

And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross. Philippians 2:8

For verily he took not on [him the nature of] angels; but he took on [him] the seed of Abraham. Hebrews 2:16

The created Angelic hosts were all created beings, meaning at some point in the past, long before our heavens and earth were created, they were spoken forth into existence.  Thus they were all servants of the living God, even ministers.

Ask yourself why He [Michael/Jesus] has so done this?

“What was His position before He 'humbled Himself' and “took the form of a servant'?

Please consider this question.

From what position has He 'humbled Himself' to take such a position as “servant”?

We cannot say 'angel' (speaking of the created heavenly beings, though the word means so much more than this as already demonstrated earlier) for an angel is already a servant and nor can He be a created being of any other.

The text also reads as above, 'He took not on the Nature of Angels' (Hebrews 2:16).

Then, since it is obvious His nature was not of the 'angels' (of any of the created heavenly hosts), what then was His nature before becoming man, humbling Himself, coming in the “form” of servant?  The text is clear that He is God, “being in the form of God”.  This word “form” is extrenely important, and is even magnified by the expression, “the express image of His [the Father's] Person”.  Now contrast the two Natures of Jesus, from eternity past [Form of God], and now also forever more [John 3:16], having also the “form of servant”, He being the “Last Adam” [1 Corinthians 15:45].

Any being that is created is already a servant of God and amenable to His Law.

In fact, no created being could ever have been the substitute for man.

Jesus, from eternity was ever in harmony “with” the Father [John 1:1], and thus also the Holy Spirit [1 John 5:7].

Consider this “with”.

Jesus from eternity past is God, the Son.  Total Deity.

Lucifer/Satan, the creation, desired the position of God.  He said, “I will be like the most High, I will sit, etc etc…”

He wars with Jesus, even as seen from Revelation 12 and elsewhere, like Daniel.

Yet Jesus, in total opposition and contrast, stepped down from the Throne, counting it not a thing to be grasped, or held onto, and humbled Himself to be with us, the creation, even fallen man, that He might help us.

Total selfishness, in stark contrast to total unselfish love.

For Jesus is ,“God manifest in the flesh” [1 Timothy 3:16; θεος εφανερωθη εν σαρκι : Theos], and this even the “mystery of Godliness”, in opposition to the “mystery of iniquity” of satan.

It is this, that erring man fumbles with, because they cannot truly explain either, for they simply do not take it by Faith, that God said it is so.  They try to nail it down to an exact terminology, when it cannot be done.  They attempt to place God into the test tube, and measure, and weight and calculate Him.

For if there could be a reason found for sin, then all sin could be explained away, or even blamed upon God Himself.  In the opposite, these same men try to explain in the minutest detail how God could become man, crossing into areas where God has not led, and simply refuse the plain words that God said He did so become man.  They refuse this faith.  They chafe that they cannot explain it, that they as finite cannot explain the infinte.  Whatsoever is not of faith is sin.

Lucifer/Satan desires, even now, to be God, even by force of might if it were possible, and God, in the opposition, came down unto us and became man.

God is love – and it was demonstrated in the entire life of Jesus from before His birth, even unto the Crucifixion, Resurrection and beyond… all of eternity will it take to really consider these things, of which even angels desire to look into.

[terraricca]

awhn

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Ask yourself why He [Michael/Jesus] has so done this?

I could not find the quote were you make Christ the son of God ,Michael one of the chief angels the same person ,

so could you guide me to it thanks

[Wakeup]

Awh.

This is unbelievable.

For verily HE TOOK NOT ON [him the nature of] angels; but he took on [him] the seed of Abraham. Hebrews 2:16

1.If he took on him the nature of angels;then where is the transformation? For Micha'el was an angel,how can he be transformed into an angel? EXPLAIN.

2.The word was made flesh,not an angel made flesh.
God could have transformed his word into the form of an angel;but he didnt,instead he made his word flesh.THIS IS WHAT HEB.2:16 MEANS. THERE WAS A BIG TWIST MADE HERE.

3.JUDE 1:9. YET *MICHA'EL* THE ARCHANGEL WHEN CONTENDING WITH THE DEVIL HE DISPUTED ABOUT THE BODY OF MOSES,*DARE NOT* BRING AGAINST HIM RAILING ACCUSATION,BUT SAID,THE LORD REBUKE THEE.

THE CREATOR DARE NOT ACCUSE THE CREATURE? EXPLAIN.

WITHOUT THE WORD was nothing made that was made.
Angels also are made by the word;and this includes Micha'el.
The word is the CREATOR and Micha'el is the CREATURE.

wakeup.

[Anonymous]

Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 08 2012,09:49)

Awh. This is unbelievable. For verily HE TOOK NOT ON  [him the nature of] angels; but he took on [him] the seed of Abraham. Hebrews 2:16 1.If he took on him the nature of angels;then where is the transformation? For Micha'el was an angel,how can he be transformed into an angel? EXPLAIN. 2.The word was made flesh,not an angel made flesh. God could have transformed his word into the form of an angel;but he didnt,instead he made his word flesh.THIS IS WHAT HEB.2:16 MEANS. THERE WAS A BIG TWIST MADE HERE. 3.JUDE 1:9. YET *MICHA'EL* THE ARCHANGEL WHEN CONTENDING WITH THE DEVIL HE DISPUTED ABOUT THE BODY OF MOSES,*DARE NOT* BRING AGAINST HIM RAILING ACCUSATION,BUT SAID,THE LORD REBUKE THEE. THE CREATOR DARE NOT ACCUSE THE CREATURE? EXPLAIN. WITHOUT THE WORD was nothing made that was made. Angels also are made by the word;and this includes Micha'el. The word is the CREATOR and Micha'el is the CREATURE. wakeup.

Definition of “Angel”, see 1st Post here:

https://heavennet.net/cgi-bin….3;st=20

For continued study see 3rd Post here:

https://heavennet.net/cgi-bin….3;st=20

For the “Lord rebuke thee” see post 10 herre:

https://heavennet.net/cgi-bin….3;st=10

That is correct, Jesus did not take on the nature of angels [the created beings].

For the definition of “Archangel” see the 3rd post here:

https://heavennet.net/cgi-bin….3;st=10

[Anonymous]

Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 08 2012,09:43)

awhn Quote Ask yourself why He [Michael/Jesus] has so done this? I could not find the quote were you make Christ the son of God ,Michael one of the chief angels the same person , so could you guide me to it thanks

Sure.

See the 2nd Post here, for direct citation:

https://heavennet.net/cgi-bin….3;st=10

Also see the 4th Post here:

https://heavennet.net/cgi-bin….3;st=20

[terraricca]

Quote (AWHN @ Nov. 26 2012,00:59)

The Great Controversy – Michael vs Dragon   The Great Controversy – Michael vs Dragon [iow – Jesus vs Satan]: The Great Controversy [Book; PDF] Who is MICHAEL ARCHANGEL according to the Word of GOD? Why do I, and others, including respected, even well-known Reformation/Protestant Bible commentators believe that the scriptures clearly reveal HIM to be none other than CHRIST JESUS HIMSELF before HIS coming to this earth in which HE then clothed HIS divinity with humanity? Does this mean that CHRIST JESUS is somehow not GOD THE SON [the ETERNAL SELF-EXISTANT ONE, HE in whom is LIFE, unborrowed, underived, uncreated]? No, in no way. Please understand, that this study in no way degrades the Deity, Divinity [GODHEAD] of CHRIST JESUS, but rather it reveals that HE has always been the True and Ever-Living GOD who has ever taken a personal interest in us and battled for Truth and Life.  This shall be shown from further texts and questions after this study.  Please be patient with me.  Thank you! Please continue with me as we look into the Scriptures upon this subject. Also please know that this subject is meatier than a great deal of subjects and takes some time to go through, and some have a more difficult time with it than others, for there are a great many misconceptions out there on it, but we shall look at what even the great protestant scholars believed and wrote. Why is it important to know? This subject touches upon the Great Controversy between CHRIST JESUS and Satan that has been ongoing even until now, and soon to come to an end… Let us see this Great Controversy: Notice this unbreakable [John 10:35] structure of identification: The Great Controversy, The Cosmic Conflict: [War in Heaven] [JESUS]“Michael”[Revelation 12:7;p] [Satan]“Dragon”[Revelation 12:7;p] [continued in the Garden of Eden] [JESUS]“blood of the lamb”[Revelation 12:11;p] being that “lamb slain from the foundation of the world”[Revelation 13:8;p; see Genesis 3:21, 4:4, etc] [Satan]“that old serpent”[Revelation 12:9;p, 12:14-15, 20:2; see Genesis 3:1,2,4,13,14] [continued in the Earth] [JESUS]“brought forth the man [child]”[Revelation 12:13;p] [Satan]“cast out into the earth”[Revelation 12:9;p], “the devil is come down”[Revelation 12:12;p] [continued in the Wilderness Temptations and Ministry] [JESUS]“his Christ”[Revelation 12:10;p] [Satan]“called the Devil”[Revelation 12:9;p] and “Satan”[Revelation 12:9;p] and “Being forty days tempted of the devil”[Luke 4:2, etc] [continued at The Cross] [JESUS]“the power of his Christ”[Revelation 12:10;p] [Satan]“the accuser of our brethren is cast down”[Revelation 12:10;p] [continued from then even until to this day…] [JESUS/Followers]“remnant of her seed”[Revelation 12:17;p; see also “the seed”Genesis 3:15; Galatians 3:16 and also Acts 9:4-5, 22:7-8, 26:14-15] [Satan/Followers]“the dragon was wroth”[Revelation 12:17;p], “face of the serpent”[Revelation 12:14;p]; “the serpent”[Revelation 12:15;p] JESUS/MICHAEL:“Who is like unto God?”[Exodus 15:11; 1 Kings 8:23; Psalms 71:19; see also Deuteronomy 33:26; 2 Chronicles 6:14; Job 36:22; Psalms 35:10, 86:8, 89:8, 113:5; Jeremiah 10:6-7; Micah 7:18] Satan behind the power:“Who [is] like unto the beast?”[Revelation 13:4;p] JESUS/MICHAEL:“…behold, the world is gone after him.”[John 12:19;p] Satan behind the Beast:“…all the world wondered after the beast.”[Revelation 13:3;p] So, who is MICHAEL according to the text? It is none other than JESUS, GOD the SON, Uncreated Creator of Heaven and Earth and the Sea and all that in them is. Revelation 12 seals the matter, permanently, but let us also consider many other texts so that there is no doubt whatsoever. There are two “princes”[rulers] … [1.] The Good [JESUS/MICHAEL, etc], the True and Everlasting “Prince” [GOD] [2.] The Wicked [Satan/Dragon/Serpent/Devil, etc], the usurping “prince” [creature] … let us look and see The Great Controversy still further: [JESUS/MICHAEL] “…the Prince of the Host…”[Daniel 8:11;p]; “…the Prince of Princes…”[Daniel 8:25;p]; “…Messiah the Prince…”[Daniel 9:25;p]; “…Michael, one of the Chief Princes…”[Daniel 10:13;p]; “…Michael your Prince…”[Daniel 10:21;p]; “…the prince of the covenant…”[Daniel 11:22;p]; “…Michael…the Great Prince…”[Daniel 12:1;p]; “…the Prince of Peace…”[Isaiah 9:6;p]; “…the Prince of Life…”[Acts 3:15;p]; “…a Prince and a Saviour…”[Acts 5:31;p]; “…Jesus Christ…Prince of the Kings of the Earth…”[Revelation 1:5;p]. MICHAEL is not “merely a Prince of GOD's People”, but is called in many places “Prince”[usually the word is “Sar” and means “Ruler, Prince, Chief”, etc]: …so, when considering the word in this light, “prince” means “ruler” or even “chief”, then the language is more clear. …and so CHRIST is also called all of those other Titles and names as well such as KING OF KINGS[Revelation 19:16] and this is not merely saying King of Kings of the Earth, but rather is saying HE is King over all Kings [compare with 1 Timothy 6:15, “Only Potentate”], KING OF THE JEWS[John 19:19], KING OF ISRAEL[John 1:49], the KING THAT COMETH[Luke 19:38] and LORD of LORD's[Revelation 17:14], the LORD FROM HEAVEN[1 Corinthians 15:47], the LORD OF ALL[Acts 10:36], the LORD OF PEACE[2 Thessalonians 3:16] etc. [Satan/Dragon/Serpent/Devil] “…devils through the prince of the devils.” [Matthew 9:34;p]; “…cast out devils, but by Beelzebub the prince of the devils.” [Matthew 12:24;p]; “…Beelzebub, and by the prince of the devils casteth he out devil.” [Mark 3:22;p]; “…the prince of this world…”[John 12:31;p]; “…the prince of this world…”[John 14:30;p]; “…the prince of this world is judged.” [John 16:11;p]; “.. .the prince of the power of the air…”[Ephesians 2:2;p]; “…against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high [places]…”[Ephesians 6:12;p]; “…thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers…”[Colossians 1:16;p]; “…principalities and powers…”[Colossians 2:15;p]. …even Satan [the accusing usrper] is designated “god of this world”[2 Corinthians 4:4], “king”[Revelation 9:11], “lord”[Baal][Judges 2:13], a “father” of the wicked ones [John 8:44], his “children of disobedience”[Ephesians 2:2, 5:6; Colossians 3:6]… Let us look deeper to be sure, but before we do, let us see if we are standing alone in this, or if this is also witnessed by others from the scriptures themselves… To follow will be quotations from many others who also held to this very teaching of scripture [Jesus Christ is Michael Archangel, Uncreated Creator, Eternal, GOD [the SON]]. However, it must be said at the very beginning, none of these quotations were known of, until far after the HOLY SPIRIT had led in Bible study and prayer over this subject. Also, for the remainder of the study, the scriptures shall be the only source book, as they should be, and I would ask all to hear and consider the matter and study yourself, but let these be given so that all may know, that Truth can be known. “He that answereth a matter before he heareth [it], it [is] folly and shame unto him.”[Proverbs 18:13]

your quote is the opinion of men not of scriptures,

Michael his not Christ just as Gabriel his not Christ ,

Revelation ,and Christ in the gospels say that at the end the son of God (man) will come and with him all HIS angels do you think now that their are no Princes or chief below Christ the son of God and that is your reason for saying that he and Michael are the same person

[terraricca]

awhn

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Then Daniel sees JESUS CHRIST/MICHAEL HIMSELF in vision. How shall we know this?

no,this is not true ,but a good invension of the men's mind,

[Wakeup]

Quote (AWHN @ Dec. 08 2012,10:29)

Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 08 2012,09:49) Awh. This is unbelievable. For verily HE TOOK NOT ON  [him the nature of] angels; but he took on [him] the seed of Abraham. Hebrews 2:16 1.If he took on him the nature of angels;then where is the transformation? For Micha'el was an angel,how can he be transformed into an angel? EXPLAIN. 2.The word was made flesh,not an angel made flesh. God could have transformed his word into the form of an angel;but he didnt,instead he made his word flesh.THIS IS WHAT HEB.2:16 MEANS. THERE WAS A BIG TWIST MADE HERE. 3.JUDE 1:9. YET *MICHA'EL* THE ARCHANGEL WHEN CONTENDING WITH THE DEVIL HE DISPUTED ABOUT THE BODY OF MOSES,*DARE NOT* BRING AGAINST HIM RAILING ACCUSATION,BUT SAID,THE LORD REBUKE THEE. THE CREATOR DARE NOT ACCUSE THE CREATURE? EXPLAIN. WITHOUT THE WORD was nothing made that was made. Angels also are made by the word;and this includes Micha'el. The word is the CREATOR and Micha'el is the CREATURE. wakeup. Definition of “Angel”, see 1st Post here: https://heavennet.net/cgi-bin….3;st=20 For continued study see 3rd Post here: https://heavennet.net/cgi-bin….3;st=20 For the “Lord rebuke thee” see post 10 herre: https://heavennet.net/cgi-bin….3;st=10 That is correct, Jesus did not take on the nature of angels [the created beings]. For the definition of “Archangel” see the 3rd post here: https://heavennet.net/cgi-bin….3;st=10

Awhn.

I know the definition.
The fact is that you claim Jesus is Micha'el.
The word created Micha'el,how can he be the creator.
Without the WORD was nothing made that was made.

Micha'el is only ONE OF the chief angels, of which are four chiefs.
Jesus is not the ONE OF anything created,HE IS THE CREATOR.

Not a good idea to bring Jesus status down to angels.

please consider.

wakeup.

[Anonymous]

Who is “the Rock”?

Jesus is called over and over again, “the ROCK, CHIEF and PRECIOUS CORNERSTONE, A STONE, A LIVING STONE, A TRIED STONE, A STONE OF STUMBLING, HEAD OF THE CORNER, SURE FOUNDATION…”

GOD alone is the ROCK:

Behold, I will stand before thee there upon the rock in Horeb; and thou shalt smite the rock, and there shall come water out of it, that the people may drink. And Moses did so in the sight of the elders of Israel. Exodus 17:6 [see also Numbers 20:8,10,11; Deuteronomy 8:15; Nehemiah 9:15; Psalms 78:20, 105:41, 114:8; Isaiah 32:2, 48:21]

Take the rod, and gather thou the assembly together, thou, and Aaron thy brother, and speak ye unto the rock before their eyes; and it shall give forth his water, and thou shalt bring forth to them water out of the rock: so thou shalt give the congregation and their beasts drink. Numbers 20:8

Because I will publish the name of the LORD: ascribe ye greatness unto our God. Deuteornomy 32:3

[He is] the Rock, his work [is] perfect: for all his ways [are] judgment: a God of truth and without iniquity, just and right [is] he. Deuteronomy 32:4

But Jeshurun waxed fat, and kicked: thou art waxen fat, thou art grown thick, thou art covered [with fatness]; then he forsook God [which] made him, and lightly esteemed the Rock of his salvation. Deuteronomy 32:15

Of the Rock [that] begat thee thou art unmindful, and hast forgotten God that formed thee. Deuteronomy 32:18

How should one chase a thousand, and two put ten thousand to flight, except their Rock had sold them, and the LORD had shut them up? Deuteronomy 32:30

For their rock [is] not as our Rock, even our enemies themselves [being] judges. Deuteronomy 32:21

[There is] none holy as the LORD: for [there is] none beside thee: neither [is there] any rock like our God. 1 Samuel 2:2

And he said, The LORD [is] my rock, and my fortress, and my deliverer; 2 Samuel 22:2

The God of my rock; in him will I trust: [he is] my shield, and the horn of my salvation, my high tower, and my refuge, my saviour; thou savest me from violence. 2 Samuel 22:3

The LORD liveth; and blessed [be] my rock; and exalted be the God of the rock of my salvation. 2 Samuel 22:47

The God of Israel said, the Rock of Israel spake to me, He that ruleth over men [must be] just, ruling in the fear of God. 2 Samuel 23:3

The LORD [is] my rock, and my fortress, and my deliverer; my God, my strength, in whom I will trust; my buckler, and the horn of my salvation, [and] my high tower. Psalms 18:2

For who [is] God save the LORD? or who [is] a rock save our God? Psalms 18:31

The LORD liveth; and blessed [be] my rock; and let the God of my salvation be exalted. Psalms 18:46

[[[A Psalm] of David.]] Unto thee will I cry, O LORD my rock; be not silent to me: lest, [if] thou be silent to me, I become like them that go down into the pit. Psalms 28:1

Bow down thine ear to me; deliver me speedily: be thou my strong rock, for an house of defence to save me. Psalms 31:2

For thou [art] my rock and my fortress; therefore for thy name's sake lead me, and guide me. Psalms 31:3

I will say unto God my rock, Why hast thou forgotten me? why go I mourning because of the oppression of the enemy? Psalms 42:9

From the end of the earth will I cry unto thee, when my heart is overwhelmed: lead me to the rock [that] is higher than I. Psalms 61:2

He only [is] my rock and my salvation; [he is] my defence; I shall not be greatly moved. Psalms 62:2

He only [is] my rock and my salvation: [he is] my defence; I shall not be moved. Psalms 62:7

Be thou my strong habitation, whereunto I may continually resort: thou hast given commandment to save me; for thou [art] my rock and my fortress. Psalms 71:3

And they remembered that God [was] their rock, and the high God their redeemer. Psalms 78:35

He shall cry unto me, Thou [art] my father, my God, and the rock of my salvation. Psalms 89:26

To shew that the LORD [is] upright: [he is] my rock, and [there is] no unrighteousness in him. Psalms 92:15

But the LORD is my defence; and my God [is] the rock of my refuge. Psalms 94:22

O come, let us sing unto the LORD: let us make a joyful noise to the rock of our salvation. Psalms 95:1

And he shall be for a sanctuary; but for a stone of stumbling and for a rock of offence to both the houses of Israel, for a gin and for a snare to the inhabitants of Jerusalem. Isaiah 8:14

Because thou hast forgotten the God of thy salvation, and hast not been mindful of the rock of thy strength, therefore shalt thou plant pleasant plants, and shalt set it with strange slips: Isaiah 17:10

Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD, Behold, I lay in Zion for a foundation a stone, a tried stone, a precious corner [stone], a sure foundation: he that believeth shall not make haste. Isaiah 28:16

And a man shall be as an hiding place from the wind, and a covert from the tempest; as rivers of water in a dry place, as the shadow of a great rock in a weary land. Isaiah 32:2

Hearken to me, ye that follow after righteousness, ye that seek the LORD: look unto the rock [whence] ye are hewn, and to the hole of the pit [whence] ye are digged. Isaiah 51:1

Thou sawest till that a stone was cut out without hands, which smote the image upon his feet [that were] of iron and clay, and brake them to pieces. Daniel 2:34

Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock: Matthew 7:24

And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock. Matthew 7:25

And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God. Matthew 16:16

And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. Matthew 16:18

Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner: this is the Lord's doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes? Matthew 21:42

He is like a man which built an house, and digged deep, and laid the foundation on a rock: and when the flood arose, the stream beat vehemently upon that house, and could not shake it: for it was founded upon a rock. Luke 6:48

As it is written, Behold, I lay in Sion a stumblingstone and rock of offence: and whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed. Romans 9:33

And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ. 1 Corinthians 10:4

And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner [stone]; Epesians 2:20

To whom coming, [as unto] a living stone, disallowed indeed of men, but chosen of God, [and] precious, 1 Peter 2:4

Wherefore also it is contained in the scripture, Behold, I lay in Sion a chief corner stone, elect, precious: and he that believeth on him shall not be confounded. 1 Peter 2:6

And a sto
ne of stumbling, and a rock of offence, [even to them] which stumble at the word, being disobedient: whereunto also they were appointed. 1 Peter 2:8

Satan even attempts to be the counterfeit “rock”:

And he shall say, Where [are] their gods, [their] rock in whom they trusted, Deuteronomy 32:37

[942767]

Hi AWHN:

God does not have to be vindicated in the Spirit:

English (NASB)   Strong's Root Form (Greek)
By common confession,  g3672 ὁμολογουμένως homologoumenōs  

great   g3173 μέγας megas  

is   g1510 εἰμί eimi  

the mystery  g3466 μυστήριον mystērion  

of godliness:  g2150 εὐσέβεια eusebeia  

He who  g3739 ὅς hos  (This says: He who)

was revealed  g5319 φανερόω phaneroō  

in   g1722 ἐν en  

the flesh,  g4561 σάρξ sarx  

Was vindicated  g1344 δικαιόω dikaioō  

in   g1722 ἐν en  

the Spirit,  g4151 πνεῦμα pneuma

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1Cr 15:21   For since by man [came] death, by man [came] also the resurrection of the dead.

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Rom 1:1 ¶ Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, called [to be] an apostle, separated unto the gospel of God,   Rom 1:2   (Which he had promised afore by his prophets in the holy scriptures,)   Rom 1:3   Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh;   Rom 1:4   And declared [to be] the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead: Rom 1:1 ¶ Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, called [to be] an apostle, separated unto the gospel of God, Rom 1:2 (Which he had promised afore by his prophets in the holy scriptures,) Rom 1:3 Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh; Rom 1:4 And declared [to be] the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead:

Love in Christ,
Marty

[Anonymous]

Quote (942767 @ Dec. 16 2012,14:20)

Hi AWHN: God does not have to be vindicated in the Spirit: English (NASB)   Strong's Root Form (Greek) By common confession,  g3672 ὁμολογουμένως homologoumenōs   great   g3173 μέγας megas   is   g1510 εἰμί eimi   the mystery  g3466 μυστήριον mystērion   of godliness:  g2150 εὐσέβεια eusebeia   He who  g3739 ὅς hos  (This says: He who) was revealed  g5319 φανερόω phaneroō   in   g1722 ἐν en   the flesh,  g4561 σάρξ sarx   Was vindicated  g1344 δικαιόω dikaioō   in   g1722 ἐν en   the Spirit,  g4151 πνεῦμα pneuma Quote 1Cr 15:21   For since by man [came] death, by man [came] also the resurrection of the dead. Quote Rom 1:1 ¶ Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, called [to be] an apostle, separated unto the gospel of God,   Rom 1:2   (Which he had promised afore by his prophets in the holy scriptures,)   Rom 1:3   Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh;   Rom 1:4   And declared [to be] the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead: Rom 1:1 ¶ Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, called [to be] an apostle, separated unto the gospel of God,   Rom 1:2   (Which he had promised afore by his prophets in the holy scriptures,)   Rom 1:3   Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh;   Rom 1:4   And declared [to be] the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead:   Love in Christ, Marty

God is on trial before all, even as He allows, revelaing that He is Love.

God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged. Romans 3:4

Against thee, thee only, have I sinned, and done [this] evil in thy sight: that thou mightest be justified when thou speakest, [and] be clear when thou judgest. Psalms 51:4

Satan/Lucifer raised certain quetions in heaven, and spread lies by his iniquitous trafficking.

Additionally, if you will please go back and re-read the post [ https://heavennet.net/cgi-bin….;st=140 ], the passage was addressed, and it says “theos” in the reliable Greek:

“For Jesus is ,“God manifest in the flesh” [1 Timothy 3:16; θεος εφανερωθη εν σαρκι : Theos], and this even the “mystery of Godliness”, in opposition to the “mystery of iniquity” of satan.”

In case the URL was missed “Theos”, see – http://www.lamblion.net/Article….ns.html

The NASB is based upon the Alexandrian [Codex Aleph, Sinaiticus; 1844 – notice that date…] and Westcott and Hort (Occultists – addmittedly so, if not Jesuits under the guise of 'protestant') 'translation' which are notoriously altered, even admittedly so, and are related to the Vaticanus MSS.

“Burgon, a supporter of the Textus Receptus, suggested that Codex Sinaiticus, as well as codices Vaticanus and Codex Bezae, were the most corrupt documents extant. Each of these three codices “clearly exhibits a fabricated text – is the result of arbitrary and reckless recension.”[102] The two most weighty of these three codices, א and B, he likens to the “two false witnesses” of Matthew 26:60.[103]” – http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Codex_Sinaiticus#Simonides

“The codex has been corrected many thousands of times, making it one of the most corrected manuscripts in existence; see below.” – http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Codex_Sinaiticus#Description

The word “corrected” is a sneaky way of saying “altered”, ie erased and rewritten in many, many places, innumerable amounts of times.

They say it is 'older'.  It may be, but older does not mean more accurate.  In fact, the locations of the Mss, Alexandrian and Vaticus, are the two locations of the occultic world then, even in the days of Constantine and Eusebius, which issued ecumenical Bibles for the populace.

Those manuscripts were then brought out as counter-reformation Mss, ie they were Roman Catholic in heart, and the Vaticanus itself is highly re-copied by a 15th century hand –

Consider the following:

http://www.pearltrees.com/#….eveal=5

I highly recommend the two Videos called:

Battle of the Bibles – http://amazingdiscoveries.tv/media/125/213-232K/

Changing the Word – http://amazingdiscoveries.tv/media/126/214ab-232K/

Or the following books, heavily sourced, excellent workmanship:

Our Authorized Bible Vindicated – http://www.sdadefend.com/MINDEX-….ted.pdf

Answers to Objections – http://www.sdadefend.com/MINDEX-….ONS.pdf

The Revision Revised – http://www.gutenberg.org/files/36722/36722-pdf.pdf

The King James and Modern Versions – http://www.sdadefend.com/MINDEX-….ons.pdf

The Faithful Witness – http://www.amazingfacts.org/media-l….ss.aspx

Or short notations by Burgon – http://www.lamblion.net/Quotations/burgon_john.html

Or a short comparison chart – http://www.lamblion.net/Bible%2….rt.html

Or a short Patristic chart – http://www.lamblion.net/Bible%2….rt.html

[kerwin]

AWHN,

* Scripture declares that God cannot be tempted by evil and therefore God cannot be tempted by evil.
* Jesus on the other hand was tempted by evil, even as common to man.

According to your teaching either:

1) God in the form of Jesus is tempted by evil.
2) Jesus being God is not.

Either one breaks Scripture and so cannot be true.

Some have claimed that Jesus is 100% human and 100% God and it is Jesus the human that was tempted by evil and not Jesus the God.  This in itself is a break as being is 100% of its kind and no more.

Of course of claiming Jesus is God you can simply believe that God dwells in Jesus through his Spirit.  This is not the Trinity but rather that Jesus, being a human being with perfect faith pleased God and so God sent his Spirit to him and dwells in Jesus, the human being, through it.

I am not sure where you read the Jesus was called Lord God but I do know that the children of Israel are called the children of the most high, which is to say gods, and Jesus archetype of God's children.  He is the one of his children he has made Lord of all his children that are in the heavens or on the earth.

[942767]

Hi AWHN:

God is not on trial, but what is on trial is that God's Word is being perverted.

How many God's does the following scripture state that there are?

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1Ti 2:5 For [there is] one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

When Jesus was going to ascend to heaven, speaking to Mary, he said that he was ascending his Father and his God, and to our Father and our God.

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Jhn 20:17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and [to] my God, and your God.

Again I ask you: Does God have to justified in the Spirit, as you indicated by your interpretation of the scripture pertaining to the greatness of the mystery of godliness?

Love in Christ,
Marty

[Ed J]

Reason for Edit: wrong thread

[NickHassan]

Hi,

 Yes God can dwell in all cleansed vessels should they seek the blessing

[GeneBalthrop]

Hi…….just as it says God in all and through all, God the father was indeed in Jesus,just as Jesus said he was, he can also be in us, “know you not your body is the temple of the living God”, but none of that makes Jesus or us the God that can in dwell us. IMO

Peace and love to you all………………….gene

[NickHassan]

Hi GB,

And of course God was not in God reconciling the world to Himself.

Trinity ideas lead to that interpretation.

[carmel]

And of course God was not in God reconciling the world to Himself.

Trinity ideas lead to that interpretation.

Nick,

Galatians 3:20 Now a mediator is not of one: but God is one.

A MEDIATOR IS REQUIRED BETWEEN MORE THAN ONE ENTITY!

ALSO IN ORDER FOR A MEDIATOR TO BE ACCEPTED BY THE EXISTING OPPOSING PARTIES, FUNCTIONS,AND SUCCEEDS IN HIS TASK HE MUST BE IN A WAY EXPERIENCED AND/ OR AWARE OF THE PARTIES’ RESPECTIVE ATTRIBUTES NO?

NOW WHO COULD HAVE BEEN BOTH AWARE OF AND EXPERIENCED  GOD’S ATTRIBUTES , AND MEN,IN ORDER TO ACT AS A MEDIATOR BETWEEN GOD AND MEN?

NO ONE EXCEPT THE WORD  GOD MAN JESUS CHRIST! HE WAS IN HIS BOSOM,

THE ONLY TRUE GOD, AND JESUS CHRIST, THE REASON THAT HE WAS SENT BY THE FATHER!

FOR THE SIMPLE REASON THAT:

GOD IS ONE, AND ONLY GOD HIMSELF WITHIN “THE WORD” AS A MEDIATOR RECONCILED ALL ONTO THE FATHER IN HIMSELF ON THE CROSS! HE COOLED OFF THE FATHER’S ANGER WITH HIS MASSACRED BODY, AND HIS EVENTUAL DEATH!

GOD THE SON MEDIATED,AS A PURE FLESH AND BLOOD SACRIFICE, FOR THE LOVE OF GOD THE FATHER, THROUGH THE HOLY SPIRIT! JESUS’SOUL!

PRIOR TO THIS:

GOD THE SON, WISDOM, “THE WORD” DIRECTLY ATTACHED WITHIN LUCIFER, THE FIRST BORN OF ALL CREATURES,CREATED ALL, MAINTAINED/MAINTAINS LIFE IN THEM,NO MATTER WHAT, THE HOLY SPIRIT WITHIN “THE WORD” SUPPLIED ALL THE POWER OF GOD, AND ALSO SUPPORTED, AND PROTECTED THE SON, AND THE FATHER FROM WITHIN THE HOLY SPIRIT,WORKED!

SO GOD FROM WITHIN JESUS CREATED ALL, MANIFESTED ALL, REDEEMED ALL,AND ACCOMPLISHED ALL HIS KINGDOM! IT’S OVER AND DONE WITH, ONLY A MATTER OF TIME! THE KINGDOM OF THE SON!

John 5:17 But Jesus answered them: My Father worketh until now; and I work.

John 5:Then Jesus answered, and said to them: Amen, amen, I say unto you, the Son cannot do any thing of himself, but what he seeth the Father doing: for what things soever he doth, these the Son also doth in like manner.

OBVIOUS JESUS VISUALIZED ALL THE FATHER’S WORK FROM WITHIN HIMSELF,THROUGH HIS OWN WORK, AND VICE VERSA! WHATEVER THE SON ASKED THE FATHER, THE FATHER ACCOMPLISHED!

John 11:42 And I knew that thou hearest me always; but because of the people who stand about have I said it, that they may believe that thou hast sent me. 43 When he had said these things, he cried with a loud voice: Lazarus, come forth.

of course God THE FATHER was in God THE SON reconciling the world to Himself

OBVIOUS THROUGH THE HOLY SPIRIT, JESUS’SOUL! HE WENT TO HELL,

JESUS’BODY “THE WORD” WAS IN THE GRAVE!

Peace and love in Jesus

Charles

[NickHassan]

Hi C,

You mean the Spirit of Christ?

GOD THE SON is only found in foolish theology books

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