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i DO NOT BELIEVE THAT THE HoLY SPIRIT GOES ON MAKING BABIES,but the power of God does ,
what you think ? could there be another explanation for the holy spirit being present at the conception ?
SonofGod.
Even Jesus birth was not completely understood.In fact still misunderstood.
That’s why Jesus said: Who is my Mother? And my brother or sister?Jesus birth was just the tranformation process, from spirit to flesh.
He already existed before His birth;before the earth was.From everlasting.
Our birth was the beginning of us. We never existed before our birth.
A good one to ponder on.wakeup.
wakeup,
God did not become flesh, the word became flesh
It there fore behooves us to learn what “the word”, “the logos” is.
God is the word, that is clear from John 1:1-2
“1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 The same was in the beginning with God.”But it is also clear that there was something else, also called the word, that is not God, that was with God in the beginning.
What is the logos that was with God in the beginning that is not God himself.
God knowing all things including what we call foreknowledge, would know exactly everything that would happen in the future. Everything that He planned and everything that Adam and Eve would do, and what all men would do, as well as what Lucifer who became the Devil would do.
God also foreknew what His word, His logos, the scriptures would say.
God’s logos, his words used to communicate to man was in God’s foreknowledge
T,
“The Holy Spirit” is simply another name that God likes to be know as.
God is known as Father, Lord, Jehovah, the Lord that heals, El Shaddai, the mighty one, etc.
SonofGod.
Even Jesus birth was not completely understood.In fact still misunderstood.
That’s why Jesus said: Who is my Mother? And my brother or sister?Jesus birth was just the tranformation process, from spirit to flesh.
He already existed before His birth;before the earth was.From everlasting.
Our birth was the beginning of us. We never existed before our birth.
A good one to ponder on.wakeup.
Please read the context of your passage
Jesus knew who his half brothers and his half sisters were, they grew up with him.
Where does it say that Jesus birth was a transformation process from spirit to flesh?
Where does it say that Jesus pre existed before his birth, his gennessis, his beginning?
What does “preexist” mean?
Did I preexist myself? I am either alive or dead.
Did God preexist himself?
Really? Preexist? Some one existed before they existed?
Either they existed or they did not exist
SonofGod.
Here is scriptural evidence that The son is from everlasting.
Isaiah 9:6
For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given:
and the government shall be upon his shoulder:
and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor,
*The mighty God*, **The everlasting Father**, The Prince of Peace.We have one Fateher in heaven,which is from everlasting.
There is no second.Proverbs 8:22 The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old.
Proverbs 8:23 I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was.
wakeup.
Sonof God.
Did God preexist himself?
Really? Preexist? Some one existed before they existed?
Either they existed or they did not exist
You are speaking of the World,bound by time.
God is not in our timezone.wakeup.
SonofGod.
The word tranformation was not used in scripture,but we can decern the scriptures,
and go deeper into understanding.Deep past the surface. john 1. said: And the Word was made flesh.
The existing Word(spirit; because HE was from everlasting); was transformed into flesh.
The Word was already in existence before His birth.He created all things.He also created Mary.We are born from flesh to flesh. We did not exist before our birth.
Brian was not there before he was born. He has no birth certificate;or did he.The Word of God also spoke to Adam in the garden.
The Word was the tree of life in the mids of the garden.
Only through Jesus we have life. By eating of the fruit of the tree of life,Adam could have life.wakeup.
Mikeb.
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These two don’t align, journey. If the Word was obeying God before the world began, then he must have had his own mind even back then.Not correct Mike.
When the Word was in God: He was in God’s mind. He was the unspoken Word.
My future Words are still in my mind;it has not been manifested in print nor speech.This is an old post;I thought I should answer the question.
wakeup.
SonofGod.
The Holy Spirit” is simply another name that God likes to be know as.
God
Not correct.
The Holy spirit is God’s spirit that is Holy.
The Word of God is his Word.
God possesses them,and is in charge of them.
The Holy spirit is in The spoken Word.The spirit of truth.
Everything that comes out of the mouth of God is truth.
We are also in charge of our word; the words only comes out of our mouths if we want to.
And we decide what comes out of our mouths. We also decide to have a clean and truthful spirit,or a wicked one.
We decide to be good or evil.wakeup.
Wakeup,
He was ransformed unto flesh.From spirit to flesh.Just transformed;a transformation did occur at his birth.
Looking at the Authorized Version of the KJV translations of Romans 1:3 and Galatians 4:4 I cannot see where you are coming from. Romans 1:3 specifically makes the point that Jesus’ body was made from the Seed of David. You certainly appear to be disagreeing with Scripture.
Wakeup,
The Word was a spirit being formed into the image of God.
That is not what is written but instead is an assumption because some translators chose to personalize the word even more than it is in the original language and the presumption that the trinitatian translation is correct. There is nothing that literally state the word in John 1 is a person of any type. The closest it get is to say the word is God and to jump to the conclusion that means the word has the identity of God or even a god is presumptuous as it can instead be saying that the word has either the qualities or condition of God.
He was made flesh.
That simply reveals that your understanding is influenced by trinitarians though you have to some point departed from their Christology. You clearly are not taking this literally as you do not believe that this creature you say existed before the beginning of Jesus Christ was made into a human body. Instead you believe flesh = human and the identity of the creature was changed body, soul, and spirit to be a human. That is seeming the opposite of what Romans 1:3 and Galatians 4:4 state. In this point The trinitarian incarnation heresy makes more sense as it does not oppose those two passages.
Hi Kerwin.
This is true,Mary was of the seed of David.
His Father is God,because He was born of God.
He came from above. He was before He is born.wakeup.
Wakeup,
Jesus’ body was born of Mary. There was no transformation.
Jesus’ Spirit was born of God even though he also has the spirit of a human being.Believers who obey the gospel and receive the Spirit of God are the same way, Romans 8:15 and Galatians 4:6. Jesus was both the archetype and prototype of believers why is why believers are followers and Jesus is called the Author of their faith, Hebrews 12:2.
Hi Kerwin.
John 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.(by the Word).
John 1:10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.(Him = Word).
John 1:14 And the ***Word was made flesh***, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
All about the Word Kerwin.The Word made flesh dwelleth among us.
wakeup.
Wakeup,
Christians will be judged by the mercy of Jesus;not by the books.All sins have been blotted out.Removed.
That is what some teach but they are only telling people what their ears want to know as well as playing on the lack of knowledge of those that hunger and thirst for righteousness. God tells us his view is that he will not remember the sins of those that change to the path of righteousness but if a person changes or remains in the path of wickedness he will not forget their sins, Ezekiel 18. Christians that adhere to the true doctrine have a gift, the Holy Spirit, by which they overcome all their sins when they are fully mature in Christ. Until that time as long as they persevere in the faith they like the people before the new covenant was established are credited with righteousness and their sins are forgiven.
<T,
“The Holy Spirit” is simply another name that God likes to be know as.
God is known as Father, Lord, Jehovah, the Lord that heals, El Shaddai, the mighty one, etc.>
hi sonof god
to me as I understand it is ;the holy spirit is the words that God as made ,intend ,produced for us in his plan for those who love him ,this is why it is the spirit of God and holy because it is the truth ,so I believe that many are involved to either produce or execute or info those that have a part to play within the plan of God ,as for the fulfillment of God’s words ;for the spoken words do not return to him unless they are or have be fulfilled,but they are not God but of God ,
for we see prophets under the guidance of the holy spirit ,angels that give words and directions,and the apostles that could respond under its influence ,and above all Christ the son of God that came and fulfilled more prophecies than anyone on earth could do ,with the protection of the holy spirit and guidance ,
Kerwin.
The Word was; before He was transformed in the belly of Mary.
We are not; before we were born. The Word created Mary also.
This is the reason He said: who is my mother?
Because they have not fully understood the whole thing,that He was before Mary.
They understood it as a common birth.wakeup.
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