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Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 13 2013,23:29) To All………..If God the Father is the “ONLY” “TRUE” God, then all other have to be “FALSE” Gods, Just that simple, Just believe what Jesus said, and He never said he was a GOD, never or ever will. IMO, All who make other Gods are Idolaters. God the Father himself said, he looked for others God and found “NONE”, I mean people who are we going to believe, Jesus and God the Father and the Apostle Paul, or these bold false teachers we have here. Choose, are you going to believe the words of Jesus and God the Father and Paul, or all these deluded teachers who manipulate scriptures, who can't understand simple straight forward scriptures? IMO
peace and love to all the Israel of God ……………………………….gene
geneall other are false ;YES, ACCORDING TO WHAT THEY PRETEND TO BE AND ABLE TO GIVE FOR SALVATION,BUT NOT ACCORDING AS BEING GODS
JUST AS MANY COMING UNDER THE NAME OF CHRIST AND I AM THE ONE ,BUT WE KNOW THAT THEIR IS ONLY ONE TRUE CHRIST AND THAT HE PROVE IT ,”SO ALL OTHER SO CALLED MESSIAHS ARE ONLY FALSE ACCORDING TO THEIR PRETEND OF BEING THE TRUE ONE ,BUT NOT AS BEING LEADERS OF PEOPLE ,
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 13 2013,23:29) To All………..If God the Father is the “ONLY” “TRUE” God, then all other have to be “FALSE” Gods, Just that simple, Just believe what Jesus said, and He never said he was a GOD, never or ever will. IMO, All who make other Gods are Idolaters. God the Father himself said, he looked for others God and found “NONE”, I mean people who are we going to believe, Jesus and God the Father and the Apostle Paul, or these bold false teachers we have here. Choose, are you going to believe the words of Jesus and God the Father and Paul, or all these deluded teachers who manipulate scriptures, who can't understand simple straight forward scriptures? IMO
peace and love to all the Israel of God ……………………………….gene
Gene,God is just a word just like Lord.
There is but one true Lord.
Are the other lords false?
Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 13 2013,23:50) Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 13 2013,23:29) To All………..If God the Father is the “ONLY” “TRUE” God, then all other have to be “FALSE” Gods, Just that simple, Just believe what Jesus said, and He never said he was a GOD, never or ever will. IMO, All who make other Gods are Idolaters. God the Father himself said, he looked for others God and found “NONE”, I mean people who are we going to believe, Jesus and God the Father and the Apostle Paul, or these bold false teachers we have here. Choose, are you going to believe the words of Jesus and God the Father and Paul, or all these deluded teachers who manipulate scriptures, who can't understand simple straight forward scriptures? IMO
peace and love to all the Israel of God ……………………………….gene
geneall other are false ;YES, ACCORDING TO WHAT THEY PRETEND TO BE AND ABLE TO GIVE FOR SALVATION,BUT NOT ACCORDING AS BEING GODS
JUST AS MANY COMING UNDER THE NAME OF CHRIST AND I AM THE ONE ,BUT WE KNOW THAT THEIR IS ONLY ONE TRUE CHRIST AND THAT HE PROVE IT ,”SO ALL OTHER SO CALLED MESSIAHS ARE ONLY FALSE ACCORDING TO THEIR PRETEND OF BEING THE TRUE ONE ,BUT NOT AS BEING LEADERS OF PEOPLE ,
T,Jehovah is the one true God.
Are the others called god, god as Jehovah is God?
Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 14 2013,02:02) Quote (942767 @ Aug. 13 2013,19:32) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 13 2013,13:11) Quote (942767 @ Aug. 12 2013,19:36) Hi ike: Paul said that “the god of this world has blinded…”. Is not that what he said?
And so, through this he acknowledges that Satan is “a god” to those who are blinded by his deception, and so, yes, he is a god to those who obey him.
Marty, how many times do I have to say this?
1. Did Paul obey Satan? YES or NO?
2. Was Paul blinded by Satan when he wrote 2 Cor 4:4? YES or NO?
3. Even though Paul was neither of these two things, did Paul STILL call Satan a god? YES or NO?
You are trying to “justify” your belief by pretending you can't actually see what I'm asking you. Just answer the questions honestly from now on, and you will learn these scriptural facts much more quickly.
Quote (942767 @ Aug. 12 2013,19:36) But no, if John 1c is translated “a god” and it refers to Jesus, then it would not be consistent with what Jesus states in the following scripture: Quote And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent Jesus said there is “One True God”, not two, a true God and “a god”.
Are you really that blinded by your own personal wishes?1. Did Jesus also say only God was good? YES or NO?
2. Did Jesus then go on to call himself the good shepherd, and teach about how the GOOD man brings GOOD things out of the GOODNESS of his heart? YES or NO?
3.Did Jehovah also say there was no SAVIOR besides Himself? YES or NO?
4. Did He then proceed to SEND many others SAVIORS to His people, including Jesus Christ? YES or NO?
5. Do you know the basic meaning of “el” and “theos” is “mighty one”? YES or NO?
6. And would you take the scripture you quoted as literally if it was translated as, that they might know thee the only true Mighty One, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent”?
7. Or would you then understand it to be the emphatic statement that it was? (Surely you know that Jesus spoke of the ones to whom the word of God came being “gods”, right? Does God send His word to “false gods”, Marty?)
Come on, man. You HAVE TO start thinking these things out. You guys are all like broken records. You can't actually refute the fact that Paul considered Satan a god, even though he didn't obey him and wasn't blinded by him, so you just keep posting “one god” verses and insisting they are LITERAL – when it is clear from the scriptures as a whole that they AREN'T.
Jehovah isn't LITERALLY the ONLY savior. And he is not LITERALLY the ONLY mighty one/el/theos/god.
Marty, Jehovah is the God of gods. He can't possibly be that unless there exist other gods.
Stick around in Keith's new thread. We're about to tear it up in that thread.
I don't want to keep saying the same things in two threads at the same time, so I'll probably beg off of any more discussion here.
Hi Mike:I am not going to go into this foolish line of questioning. Satan is the “god of this world”, and there are multiple gods in this world also, in that anything and or anyone real or imagined can be a god to an individual or individauls, and so, I guess what you are trying to get me to say that the scripture that says that to a born again Christian there is but “One God”, the Father has been proven false?
And yes, God has sent several as saviours, but the idea is that He sent them, and without him, there is no savior. He calls his representatives gods, as his representatives, and He calls them His Son or sons.
For me, I have but one God, my heavenly Father, and Jesus is my Lord.
I have nothing more to say, believe what you want to believe.
Love in Christ,
Marty
MARTYQuote says that to a born again Christian there is but “One God”, the Father has been proven false? NO, THAT IS NOT WHAT MIKE OR i SAYING ;just think ,many serving other gods ,BUT TO THE TRUE BELIEVERS PAUL SAYS THERE IS ONLY ONE GOD (AMONG ALL THOSE GODS)THAT COUNTS AND TO WHICH WE(TRUE BELIEVERS) DEVOTING OUR WORSHIPING ACTS AND ONLY ONE MEDIATOR HIS ONLY SON JESUS CHRIST .
it seems that you guys don't want to see this
If the many are serving other gods, and I am sure that that is a fact, all who have not been born again, are serving satan as sinners, and have been deceived. All such worship is idolatry. There is “Only One True God” period.As Jesus stated when the devil wanted him to worship him:
Quote Mat 4:10 Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve. And so, you and your buddy Mike can believe whatever you want.
Love in Christ,
MartyQuote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 12 2013,15:39) Quote (abe @ Aug. 12 2013,12:50) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 11 2013,08:10) Abe, I'm still waiting for your DIRECT answer about Gen 3:5 and 3:22. Do you believe the gods to whom Satan referred in 3:5 are the “one of us” to whom Jehovah referred in 3:22? YES or NO?
Hi Mike,That is a Silly question to ask a Christian.
Peace….
Why?
Hi Mike,Heb.2:14 Since therefore the children partake of blood and flesh, he also, in like manner, took part in the same, that through death he might annul him who has the might of death, that is, the devil;
that through death he might Annul him who has the might of death, that is, the Devil;
15 and might set free all those who through fear of death through the whole of their life were subject to bondage.
16 For he does not indeed take hold of angels by the hand, but he takes hold of the seed of Abraham.
17 Wherefore it behoved him in all things to be made like to his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful High Priest in things relating to God, to make propitiation for the sins of the people;
18 for, in that himself has suffered, being tempted, he is able to help those that are being tempted.
that through death he might Annul him who has the might of death, that is, the Devil;
Your god has been destroyed……..For Christians.
Peace………………….
Quote (kerwin @ Aug. 14 2013,01:38) Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 13 2013,23:50) Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 13 2013,23:29) To All………..If God the Father is the “ONLY” “TRUE” God, then all other have to be “FALSE” Gods, Just that simple, Just believe what Jesus said, and He never said he was a GOD, never or ever will. IMO, All who make other Gods are Idolaters. God the Father himself said, he looked for others God and found “NONE”, I mean people who are we going to believe, Jesus and God the Father and the Apostle Paul, or these bold false teachers we have here. Choose, are you going to believe the words of Jesus and God the Father and Paul, or all these deluded teachers who manipulate scriptures, who can't understand simple straight forward scriptures? IMO
peace and love to all the Israel of God ……………………………….gene
geneall other are false ;YES, ACCORDING TO WHAT THEY PRETEND TO BE AND ABLE TO GIVE FOR SALVATION,BUT NOT ACCORDING AS BEING GODS
JUST AS MANY COMING UNDER THE NAME OF CHRIST AND I AM THE ONE ,BUT WE KNOW THAT THEIR IS ONLY ONE TRUE CHRIST AND THAT HE PROVE IT ,”SO ALL OTHER SO CALLED MESSIAHS ARE ONLY FALSE ACCORDING TO THEIR PRETEND OF BEING THE TRUE ONE ,BUT NOT AS BEING LEADERS OF PEOPLE ,
T,Jehovah is the one true God.
Are the others called god, god as Jehovah is God?
KI have already answered that question in a quote to Gene,
here it is again;
all other are false ;YES, ACCORDING TO WHAT THEY PRETEND TO BE AND ABLE TO GIVE FOR SALVATION,BUT NOT ACCORDING AS BEING GODS (mighty ones)
JUST AS MANY COMING UNDER THE NAME OF CHRIST AND I AM THE ONE ,BUT WE KNOW THAT THEIR IS ONLY ONE TRUE CHRIST AND THAT HE PROVE IT ,”SO ALL OTHER SO CALLED MESSIAHS ARE ONLY FALSE ACCORDING TO THEIR PRETEND OF BEING THE TRUE ONE ,BUT NOT AS BEING LEADERS OF PEOPLE ,(mighty ones)
Quote (kerwin @ Aug. 14 2013,06:36) Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 13 2013,23:29) To All………..If God the Father is the “ONLY” “TRUE” God, then all other have to be “FALSE” Gods, Just that simple, Just believe what Jesus said, and He never said he was a GOD, never or ever will. IMO, All who make other Gods are Idolaters. God the Father himself said, he looked for others God and found “NONE”, I mean people who are we going to believe, Jesus and God the Father and the Apostle Paul, or these bold false teachers we have here. Choose, are you going to believe the words of Jesus and God the Father and Paul, or all these deluded teachers who manipulate scriptures, who can't understand simple straight forward scriptures? IMO
peace and love to all the Israel of God ……………………………….gene
Gene,God is just a word just like Lord.
There is but one true Lord.
Are the other lords false?
Kerwin………Big difference between the word God and the word Lord, a lord is a magistrate , like a judge, a official , a God is not a Lord, in order for a God to exist it must meet the two criteria's I have listed many times here , it is unfortunate that the kings James uses he word Adonia meaning YEHWEH as LORD , and the other completely different word Adoni , which means a human magistrate, like a judge or human ruler. Big difference in those two words. So we cannot compare the word LORD with lord and use it as an example of any comparative word structure. Those carry a completely different meaning in scripture.The word God requires two thing to be true, one it has to have power and two it must be worshiped and obeyed with full faith in, by the person calling it a God of any kind .
Kerwin all of this is simple, nothing complicated about it, we need to just believe what Jesus said alone and that is enough for thou art the “ONLY” TRUE GOD, now the word “ONLY” “TRUE” means there are no others that are “TRUE” Right? , so that leaves all others “FALSE” or UNTRUE GODS, It's just that simple brother. These false teachers plainly admitted they need to believe in other Gods in order to make Jesus the God spoken of as the word in John 1:1
Don't get caught in these blind guides snares Kerwin,
Scripture says if you believe in only one God satan does also, so even satan knows there is only one true God. Even though he has tried to make himself out as a God, and tried to tell man they are Gods to, he is a liar and the father of lies, and so are all who preach more then one true GOD, IMO.Peace and love to you and yours…………………….gene
Quote (2besee @ Aug. 12 2013,20:59) Capping the letter or not capping the letter makes no difference.
Exodus 20:3 King James Version
Thou shalt have no other gods before me.2B, are you able to tell us why the English translators have a small “g” there, instead of a capped “G”?
And are you able to find any English translation that does cap the “G” in that verse?
Quote (942767 @ Aug. 13 2013,13:40) And so, you and your buddy Mike can believe whatever you want.
We'll just keep believing the scriptures as they were actually written.Gene,
Quote The word God requires two thing to be true, one it has to have power and two it must be worshiped and obeyed with full faith in, by the person calling it a God of any kind . Quote capitalized : the supreme or ultimate reality: as
a : the Being perfect in power, wisdom, and goodness who is worshipped as creator and ruler of the universe
b Christian Science : the incorporeal divine Principle ruling over all as eternal Spirit : infinite Mind
2
: a being or object believed to have more than natural attributes and powers and to require human worship; specifically : one controlling a particular aspect or part of reality
3
: a person or thing of supreme value
4
: a powerful ruler
See god defined for English-language learners »
See god defined for kids »How do your definition meaning the same as these from Merriam-Websters.
Quote (kerwin @ Aug. 13 2013,13:36) There is but one true Lord. Are the other lords false?
I'll take that point a step farther:The same writer that said, for us there is but one God, the Father also said, and one Lord, Jesus Christ.
Is Jesus Christ REALLY the ONLY Lord we as Christians have? YES or NO?
The only HONEST answer is “NO”.
Let that soak in for a while, children. I'm out of this discussion.
Quote Let that soak in for a while, children. I'm out of this discussion. Mike, I'm out of here also.
Your Passion is in the existence of other gods.
This is only so that your can justify John 1:1 as being two Gods, rather than one God.
You would like to ignore “For us, there is but one God, the Father” and say instead “For us, there are many Gods”.
What else is there to say?
Nothing.
Quote (942767 @ Aug. 14 2013,01:40) Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 14 2013,02:02) Quote (942767 @ Aug. 13 2013,19:32) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 13 2013,13:11) Quote (942767 @ Aug. 12 2013,19:36) Hi ike: Paul said that “the god of this world has blinded…”. Is not that what he said?
And so, through this he acknowledges that Satan is “a god” to those who are blinded by his deception, and so, yes, he is a god to those who obey him.
Marty, how many times do I have to say this?1. Did Paul obey Satan? YES or NO?
2. Was Paul blinded by Satan when he wrote 2 Cor 4:4? YES or NO?
3. Even though Paul was neither of these two things, did Paul STILL call Satan a god? YES or NO?
You are trying to “justify” your belief by pretending you can't actually see what I'm asking you. Just answer the questions honestly from now on, and you will learn these scriptural facts much more quickly.
Quote (942767 @ Aug. 12 2013,19:36) But no, if John 1c is translated “a god” and it refers to Jesus, then it would not be consistent with what Jesus states in the following scripture: Quote And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent Jesus said there is “One True God”, not two, a true God and “a god”.
Are you really that blinded by your own personal wishes?1. Did Jesus also say only God was good? YES or NO?
2. Did Jesus then go on to call himself the good shepherd, and teach about how the GOOD man brings GOOD things out of the GOODNESS of his heart? YES or NO?
3.Did Jehovah also say there was no SAVIOR besides Himself? YES or NO?
4. Did He then proceed to SEND many others SAVIORS to His people, including Jesus Christ? YES or NO?
5. Do you know the basic meaning of “el” and “theos” is “mighty one”? YES or NO?
6. And would you take the scripture you quoted as literally if it was translated as, that they might know thee the only true Mighty One, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent”?
7. Or would you then understand it to be the emphatic statement that it was? (Surely you know that Jesus spoke of the ones to whom the word of God came being “gods”, right? Does God send His word to “false gods”, Marty?)
Come on, man. You HAVE TO start thinking these things out. You guys are all like broken records. You can't actually refute the fact that Paul considered Satan a god, even though he didn't obey him and wasn't blinded by him, so you just keep posting “one god” verses and insisting they are LITERAL – when it is clear from the scriptures as a whole that they AREN'T.
Jehovah isn't LITERALLY the ONLY savior. And he is not LITERALLY the ONLY mighty one/el/theos/god.
Marty, Jehovah is the God of gods. He can't possibly be that unless there exist other gods.
Stick around in Keith's new thread. We're about to tear it up in that thread.
I don't want to keep saying the same things in two threads at the same time, so I'll probably beg off of any more discussion here.
Hi Mike:I am not going to go into this foolish line of questioning. Satan is the “god of this world”, and there are multiple gods in this world also, in that anything and or anyone real or imagined can be a god to an individual or individauls, and so, I guess what you are trying to get me to say that the scripture that says that to a born again Christian there is but “One God”, the Father has been proven false?
And yes, God has sent several as saviours, but the idea is that He sent them, and without him, there is no savior. He calls his representatives gods, as his representatives, and He calls them His Son or sons.
For me, I have but one God, my heavenly Father, and Jesus is my Lord.
I have nothing more to say, believe what you want to believe.
Love in Christ,
Marty
MARTYQuote says that to a born again Christian there is but “One God”, the Father has been proven false? NO, THAT IS NOT WHAT MIKE OR i SAYING ;just think ,many serving other gods ,BUT TO THE TRUE BELIEVERS PAUL SAYS THERE IS ONLY ONE GOD (AMONG ALL THOSE GODS)THAT COUNTS AND TO WHICH WE(TRUE BELIEVERS) DEVOTING OUR WORSHIPING ACTS AND ONLY ONE MEDIATOR HIS ONLY SON JESUS CHRIST .
it seems that you guys don't want to see this
If the many are serving other gods, and I am sure that that is a fact, all who have not been born again, are serving satan as sinners, and have been deceived. All such worship is idolatry. There is “Only One True God” period.As Jesus stated when the devil wanted him to worship him:
Quote Mat 4:10 Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve. And so, you and your buddy Mike can believe whatever you want.
Love in Christ,
Marty
MartyDo you read my quote
It looks like you do not,because you are repeating what I am saying,
By quoting Christ words to Satan ,
Quote (2besee @ Aug. 14 2013,08:52) Quote Let that soak in for a while, children. I'm out of this discussion. Mike, I'm out of here also.
Your Passion is in the existence of other gods.
This is only so that your can justify John 1:1 as being two Gods, rather than one God.
You would like to ignore “For us, there is but one God, the Father” and say instead “For us, there are many Gods”.
What else is there to say?
Nothing.
2beeSome times it is better to close our mind and think ,than saying what you say,you are spilling ignorance all over you and on my computer,
But that I have clean up now,
Their a saying that goes like this :all men are fool but some like to prove that they are by talking their mouth off,
Around here it goes something like, “others may believe you to be a fool, you need only open your mouth to remove all doubt”.
Wm
Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 14 2013,16:10) Quote (2besee @ Aug. 14 2013,08:52) Quote Let that soak in for a while, children. I'm out of this discussion. Mike, I'm out of here also.
Your Passion is in the existence of other gods.
This is only so that your can justify John 1:1 as being two Gods, rather than one God.
You would like to ignore “For us, there is but one God, the Father” and say instead “For us, there are many Gods”.
What else is there to say?
Nothing.
2beeSome times it is better to close our mind and think ,than saying what you say,you are spilling ignorance all over you and on my computer,
But that I have clean up now,
Their a saying that goes like this :all men are fool but some like to prove that they are by talking their mouth off,
Scriptures:But I say to you, anyone who is angry with his brother without a cause will be subject to punishment. And whoever says to his brother 'Raka!' (empty) will be subject to the Council. And whoever says, 'You fool!' will be subject to hell fire.
Goodbye Teraricca.
Quote (seekingtruth @ Aug. 14 2013,09:29) Around here it goes something like, “others may believe you to be a fool, you need only open your mouth to remove all doubt”. Wm
seekingtruthyes thats the one ,i did not use this thing for decades
Quote (2besee @ Aug. 14 2013,09:37) Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 14 2013,16:10) Quote (2besee @ Aug. 14 2013,08:52) Quote Let that soak in for a while, children. I'm out of this discussion. Mike, I'm out of here also.
Your Passion is in the existence of other gods.
This is only so that your can justify John 1:1 as being two Gods, rather than one God.
You would like to ignore “For us, there is but one God, the Father” and say instead “For us, there are many Gods”.
What else is there to say?
Nothing.
2beeSome times it is better to close our mind and think ,than saying what you say,you are spilling ignorance all over you and on my computer,
But that I have clean up now,
Their a saying that goes like this :all men are fool but some like to prove that they are by talking their mouth off,
Scriptures:But I say to you, anyone who is angry with his brother without a cause will be subject to punishment. And whoever says to his brother 'Raka!' (empty) will be subject to the Council. And whoever says, 'You fool!' will be subject to hell fire.
Goodbye Teraricca.
2beeI am not angry,I told you I am never angry or hardly ,
but I have to say things the way they are,in relation to the discussions you have had with Mike and me and others ,
and yet you seem not having taken any understanding of what Mike believes or me ,yet we told you ,but you do not pay attention ,and slander us with lies than claim christ words
do you really know and understand what you are doing
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