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Quote (terraricca @ July 19 2013,02:00) Quote (Ed J @ July 18 2013,20:55) Quote (terraricca @ July 19 2013,01:53) Quote (Ed J @ July 18 2013,20:38) Hi Pierre, Quote (terraricca @ July 18 2013,22:43) EDJ I agree with you but you stop answering me in what I really wanted to mean ;and so change the direction of the conversation to another ,
this I have to say you are good in it
Did you not say I was “GOOD” at something?Quote (terraricca @ July 19 2013,01:29) edj did i say that i appreciate your way ;
your conclusion is definitely premature ,did not the snake tell his version of events to Eve I rather like the events told by Christ and his disciples
Are you now trying to imply that evil was involved?God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
edjNO
but you did understand how it stinks right it is better to be frank and direct ,and to be truthful at all times
so it is truth that is build not confusion ,yes means yes, NO means NO ,
not turning and running around the bush so to speak, in this way we let the spirit of truth guide us ,not our own mind,
Are you now implying that my Yes isn't “Yes” or that my No isn't “No”?
edjsome times your answers are in their meaning an NO and an YES
So is that a “Yes” then? …or a “No”?Quote (Ed J @ July 18 2013,21:10) Quote (terraricca @ July 19 2013,02:00) Quote (Ed J @ July 18 2013,20:55) Quote (terraricca @ July 19 2013,01:53) Quote (Ed J @ July 18 2013,20:38) Hi Pierre, Quote (terraricca @ July 18 2013,22:43) EDJ I agree with you but you stop answering me in what I really wanted to mean ;and so change the direction of the conversation to another ,
this I have to say you are good in it
Did you not say I was “GOOD” at something?Quote (terraricca @ July 19 2013,01:29) edj did i say that i appreciate your way ;
your conclusion is definitely premature ,did not the snake tell his version of events to Eve I rather like the events told by Christ and his disciples
Are you now trying to imply that evil was involved?God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
edjNO
but you did understand how it stinks right it is better to be frank and direct ,and to be truthful at all times
so it is truth that is build not confusion ,yes means yes, NO means NO ,
not turning and running around the bush so to speak, in this way we let the spirit of truth guide us ,not our own mind,
Are you now implying that my Yes isn't “Yes” or that my No isn't “No”?
edjsome times your answers are in their meaning an NO and an YES
So is that a “Yes” then? …or a “No”?
let start over and from now on LET ALL OUR MEANINGS BE TRUE TO OUR BELIEVE AND LET BE THE NO BE NO AND YES BE YESSO WHAT YOU SAY
AGREED Quote (terraricca @ July 18 2013,05:25) k Quote T, He already states Jehovah gave him a command.
He was also killed with those that worshiped the Baal of Peor.
That is his error and its wages were death.
i REALLY DO suggest that you read the entire story of the events with balaam and Balak , in the bible you have no clue who is who and what .never mind why .
T,I have read it and already pointed out Balaam treats Jehovah as God. He just had at least two Gods.
Numbers 22:8
King James Version (KJV)8 And he said unto them, Lodge here this night, and I will bring you word again, as the Lord(Jehovah)? shall speak unto me: and the princes of Moab abode with Balaam.
Quote (terraricca @ July 19 2013,05:10) Quote (Ed J @ July 18 2013,21:10) Quote (terraricca @ July 19 2013,02:00) Quote (Ed J @ July 18 2013,20:55) Quote (terraricca @ July 19 2013,01:53) Quote (Ed J @ July 18 2013,20:38) Hi Pierre, Quote (terraricca @ July 18 2013,22:43) EDJ I agree with you but you stop answering me in what I really wanted to mean ;and so change the direction of the conversation to another ,
this I have to say you are good in it
Did you not say I was “GOOD” at something?Quote (terraricca @ July 19 2013,01:29) edj did i say that i appreciate your way ;
your conclusion is definitely premature ,did not the snake tell his version of events to Eve I rather like the events told by Christ and his disciples
Are you now trying to imply that evil was involved?God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
edjNO
but you did understand how it stinks right it is better to be frank and direct ,and to be truthful at all times
so it is truth that is build not confusion ,yes means yes, NO means NO ,
not turning and running around the bush so to speak, in this way we let the spirit of truth guide us ,not our own mind,
Are you now implying that my Yes isn't “Yes” or that my No isn't “No”?
edjsome times your answers are in their meaning an NO and an YES
So is that a “Yes” then? …or a “No”?
let start over and from now on LET ALL OUR MEANINGS BE TRUE TO OUR BELIEVE AND LET BE THE NO BE NO AND YES BE YESSO WHAT YOU SAY
AGREED
Please answer my question first, OK?Quote (Ed J @ July 19 2013,00:52) Quote (terraricca @ July 19 2013,05:10) Quote (Ed J @ July 18 2013,21:10) Quote (terraricca @ July 19 2013,02:00) Quote (Ed J @ July 18 2013,20:55) Quote (terraricca @ July 19 2013,01:53) Quote (Ed J @ July 18 2013,20:38) Hi Pierre, Quote (terraricca @ July 18 2013,22:43) EDJ I agree with you but you stop answering me in what I really wanted to mean ;and so change the direction of the conversation to another ,
this I have to say you are good in it
Did you not say I was “GOOD” at something?Quote (terraricca @ July 19 2013,01:29) edj did i say that i appreciate your way ;
your conclusion is definitely premature ,did not the snake tell his version of events to Eve I rather like the events told by Christ and his disciples
Are you now trying to imply that evil was involved?God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
edjNO
but you did understand how it stinks right it is better to be frank and direct ,and to be truthful at all times
so it is truth that is build not confusion ,yes means yes, NO means NO ,
not turning and running around the bush so to speak, in this way we let the spirit of truth guide us ,not our own mind,
Are you now implying that my Yes isn't “Yes” or that my No isn't “No”?
edjsome times your answers are in their meaning an NO and an YES
So is that a “Yes” then? …or a “No”?
let start over and from now on LET ALL OUR MEANINGS BE TRUE TO OUR BELIEVE AND LET BE THE NO BE NO AND YES BE YESSO WHAT YOU SAY
AGREED
Please answer my question first, OK?
but i have answered you ;here is my answer ;sometimes your answers are in their meaning an NO and an YES
Quote (kerwin @ July 19 2013,00:11) Quote (terraricca @ July 18 2013,05:25) k Quote T, He already states Jehovah gave him a command.
He was also killed with those that worshiped the Baal of Peor.
That is his error and its wages were death.
i REALLY DO suggest that you read the entire story of the events with balaam and Balak , in the bible you have no clue who is who and what .never mind why .
T,I have read it and already pointed out Balaam treats Jehovah as God. He just had at least two Gods.
Numbers 22:8
King James Version (KJV)8 And he said unto them, Lodge here this night, and I will bring you word again, as the Lord(Jehovah)? shall speak unto me: and the princes of Moab abode with Balaam.
Kwhat is Balaam do for a living
Quote (terraricca @ July 19 2013,07:38) Quote (kerwin @ July 19 2013,00:11) Quote (terraricca @ July 18 2013,05:25) k Quote T, He already states Jehovah gave him a command.
He was also killed with those that worshiped the Baal of Peor.
That is his error and its wages were death.
i REALLY DO suggest that you read the entire story of the events with balaam and Balak , in the bible you have no clue who is who and what .never mind why .
T,I have read it and already pointed out Balaam treats Jehovah as God. He just had at least two Gods.
Numbers 22:8
King James Version (KJV)8 And he said unto them, Lodge here this night, and I will bring you word again, as the Lord(Jehovah)? shall speak unto me: and the princes of Moab abode with Balaam.
Kwhat is Balaam do for a living
T,He seemed to have been a priest and a prophet, who chose to serve at least both Jehovah and the Baal of Peor.
Quote (kerwin @ July 19 2013,09:32) Quote (terraricca @ July 19 2013,07:38) Quote (kerwin @ July 19 2013,00:11) Quote (terraricca @ July 18 2013,05:25) k Quote T, He already states Jehovah gave him a command.
He was also killed with those that worshiped the Baal of Peor.
That is his error and its wages were death.
i REALLY DO suggest that you read the entire story of the events with balaam and Balak , in the bible you have no clue who is who and what .never mind why .
T,I have read it and already pointed out Balaam treats Jehovah as God. He just had at least two Gods.
Numbers 22:8
King James Version (KJV)8 And he said unto them, Lodge here this night, and I will bring you word again, as the Lord(Jehovah)? shall speak unto me: and the princes of Moab abode with Balaam.
Kwhat is Balaam do for a living
T,He seemed to have been a priest and a prophet, who chose to serve at least both Jehovah and the Baal of Peor.
KNU 22:5 So he sent messengers to Balaam the son of Beor, at Pethor, which is near the River, in the land of the sons of his people, to call him, saying, “Behold, a people came out of Egypt; behold, they cover the surface of the land, and they are living opposite me.
NU 22:7 So the elders of Moab and the elders of Midian departed with the fees for divination in their hand; and they came to Balaam and repeated Balak’s words to him.so balaam his one of his people I mean from balak and he was a type of medium , and it is God that uses him but not him worshiping the God of his enemy or enemy of his king balak
Quote (terraricca @ July 19 2013,09:44) Quote (kerwin @ July 19 2013,09:32) Quote (terraricca @ July 19 2013,07:38) Quote (kerwin @ July 19 2013,00:11) Quote (terraricca @ July 18 2013,05:25) k Quote T, He already states Jehovah gave him a command.
He was also killed with those that worshiped the Baal of Peor.
That is his error and its wages were death.
i REALLY DO suggest that you read the entire story of the events with balaam and Balak , in the bible you have no clue who is who and what .never mind why .
T,I have read it and already pointed out Balaam treats Jehovah as God. He just had at least two Gods.
Numbers 22:8
King James Version (KJV)8 And he said unto them, Lodge here this night, and I will bring you word again, as the Lord(Jehovah)? shall speak unto me: and the princes of Moab abode with Balaam.
Kwhat is Balaam do for a living
T,He seemed to have been a priest and a prophet, who chose to serve at least both Jehovah and the Baal of Peor.
KNU 22:5 So he sent messengers to Balaam the son of Beor, at Pethor, which is near the River, in the land of the sons of his people, to call him, saying, “Behold, a people came out of Egypt; behold, they cover the surface of the land, and they are living opposite me.
NU 22:7 So the elders of Moab and the elders of Midian departed with the fees for divination in their hand; and they came to Balaam and repeated Balak’s words to him.so balaam his one of his people I mean from balak and he was a type of medium , and it is God that uses him but not him worshiping the God of his enemy or enemy of his king balak
T,Balaam consulted Jehovah on what to say though he was enticed to do evil. Even then he did right and blessed Israel.
Quote (kerwin @ July 19 2013,10:37) Quote (terraricca @ July 19 2013,09:44) Quote (kerwin @ July 19 2013,09:32) Quote (terraricca @ July 19 2013,07:38) Quote (kerwin @ July 19 2013,00:11) Quote (terraricca @ July 18 2013,05:25) k Quote T, He already states Jehovah gave him a command.
He was also killed with those that worshiped the Baal of Peor.
That is his error and its wages were death.
i REALLY DO suggest that you read the entire story of the events with balaam and Balak , in the bible you have no clue who is who and what .never mind why .
T,I have read it and already pointed out Balaam treats Jehovah as God. He just had at least two Gods.
Numbers 22:8
King James Version (KJV)8 And he said unto them, Lodge here this night, and I will bring you word again, as the Lord(Jehovah)? shall speak unto me: and the princes of Moab abode with Balaam.
Kwhat is Balaam do for a living
T,He seemed to have been a priest and a prophet, who chose to serve at least both Jehovah and the Baal of Peor.
KNU 22:5 So he sent messengers to Balaam the son of Beor, at Pethor, which is near the River, in the land of the sons of his people, to call him, saying, “Behold, a people came out of Egypt; behold, they cover the surface of the land, and they are living opposite me.
NU 22:7 So the elders of Moab and the elders of Midian departed with the fees for divination in their hand; and they came to Balaam and repeated Balak’s words to him.so balaam his one of his people I mean from balak and he was a type of medium , and it is God that uses him but not him worshiping the God of his enemy or enemy of his king balak
T,Balaam consulted Jehovah on what to say though he was enticed to do evil. Even then he did right and blessed Israel.
KHe did right
Each time he says a curse God turns it into a blessing,
And last he proposed to corrup the Israelites
Quote (kerwin @ July 19 2013,10:37) Quote (terraricca @ July 19 2013,09:44) Quote (kerwin @ July 19 2013,09:32) Quote (terraricca @ July 19 2013,07:38) Quote (kerwin @ July 19 2013,00:11) Quote (terraricca @ July 18 2013,05:25) k Quote T, He already states Jehovah gave him a command.
He was also killed with those that worshiped the Baal of Peor.
That is his error and its wages were death.
i REALLY DO suggest that you read the entire story of the events with balaam and Balak , in the bible you have no clue who is who and what .never mind why .
T,I have read it and already pointed out Balaam treats Jehovah as God. He just had at least two Gods.
Numbers 22:8
King James Version (KJV)8 And he said unto them, Lodge here this night, and I will bring you word again, as the Lord(Jehovah)? shall speak unto me: and the princes of Moab abode with Balaam.
Kwhat is Balaam do for a living
T,He seemed to have been a priest and a prophet, who chose to serve at least both Jehovah and the Baal of Peor.
KNU 22:5 So he sent messengers to Balaam the son of Beor, at Pethor, which is near the River, in the land of the sons of his people, to call him, saying, “Behold, a people came out of Egypt; behold, they cover the surface of the land, and they are living opposite me.
NU 22:7 So the elders of Moab and the elders of Midian departed with the fees for divination in their hand; and they came to Balaam and repeated Balak’s words to him.so balaam his one of his people I mean from balak and he was a type of medium , and it is God that uses him but not him worshiping the God of his enemy or enemy of his king balak
T,Balaam consulted Jehovah on what to say though he was enticed to do evil. Even then he did right and blessed Israel.
Balsam is a medium and so consult for a prize,any godQuote (Ed J @ July 18 2013,03:11) 8) I don't see Molech there and they are two different words. 11) Where is Molech called 'a god'? …Scripture please!
Ed,Milcom and Molech are both derived from the Hebrew “melek”, which means “king”. Both names refer to the same exact god of the Ammonites.
Barnes concerning 1 Kings 11:5,
Milcom or Molech (1 Kings 11:7) are variants of the term ordinarily used for “king” among the Semitic races of Western Asia, which appears in melkarth (Phoenic.), Abimelech (Hebrew), Andrammelek (Assyrian), Abd-ul-malik (Arabic), etc.Gill concerning 1 Kings 11:5,
and after Milcom the abomination of the Amnonites; the same with Molech, 1 Kings 11:7.1 Kings 11 AKJV
5 For Solomon went after Ashtoreth the goddess of the Zidonians, and after Milcom the abomination of the Ammonites.7 Then did Solomon build an high place for Chemosh, the abomination of Moab, in the hill that is before Jerusalem, and for Molech, the abomination of the children of Ammon.
33 Because that they have forsaken me, and have worshipped Ashtoreth the goddess of the Zidonians, Chemosh the god of the Moabites, and Milcom the god of the children of Ammon,
Strong's:
Milcom
From the same as “melek”.NETNotes:
Definition: Milcom = “great king”1) the god of the Ammonites and Phoenicians to whom some Israelites
sacrificed their infants in the valley of Hinnom
1a) also 'Molech'Quote (Ed J @ July 18 2013,03:11) Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 18 2013,09:42)
(10)But Jehovah calls Satan a god. So does Paul.
10) Is he not a false god?
Satan is very real, and is called god in scripture by Jehovah and by Paul.Do you know of any scripture that says he is a “FALSE god”?
Remember that a god is: Any of various beings conceived of as supernatural, immortal, and having special powers over the lives and affairs of people and the course of nature. – Webster's
Job 1 and 2 prove that Satan has “special powers over the lives and affairs of people and the course of nature”, right? So what exactly makes him a “false” god? And more importantly, in what scripture can I read that he is a “false” god?
Quote (Ed J @ July 18 2013,03:38) b) Men, there is no evidence to suggest Psalm 82:6 is about “Judges”.
1. Your precious “inspired” AKJV calls them “GODS” in Psalm 82…………. not “MEN”. Is your AKJV at fault once again, Ed?2. Are you denying that these “GODS” (AKJV) in Psalm 82 were sent by God? Because that was the parameter YOU set up, right? Didn't you narrow the parameters by claiming they must be “SENT BY GOD” in order to be “REAL”? Like the saviors? Isn't that what YOU said?
Quote (Ed J @ July 18 2013,03:38) c) Apparently men are being called “EL-o-heem” – So to YOU they are gods then?
I know they were not “men” at all, but angels of God. But if you insist they were men, how then do you explain the fact that Jesus himself quoted this psalm, and also called them “GODS” (theos, not elohim)? Jesus called them “GODS”, not “MEN”, right?Do you suppose that, to Jesus, these “men” were gods? And if so, then why aren't they also gods to YOU?
In other words, if your Lord called them gods, they why you buck against his words and pretend they were not gods?
Quote (Ed J @ July 18 2013,03:38) Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 18 2013,09:57)
2. Actually, my words, “many gods, both in heaven and on earth” came directly from 1 Cor 8:5, Ed.
Hi Mike,2) Many gods = ONE REAL GOD, and many fakes.
Where can I read, “many FAKE gods” in 1 Cor 8:5? Does your AKJV say “FAKE gods”? Do the Greek words Paul wrote say “FAKE gods”?If not, then why do YOU say “FAKE gods”?
Quote (Ed J @ July 18 2013,03:38) Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 18 2013,09:57)
3. Then perhaps it's FINALLY time you tell me YOUR definition of “god”.
Creator and ruler of the universe
Then the phrase “god OF gods” means “creator and ruler of the universe OF the creators and rulers of the universe?Is Jehovah the MOST HIGH “creator and ruler of the universe” – as if there are other creators and rulers of the universe?
Here are a couple of scriptures, adjusted to YOUR understanding…….
Genesis 3:5 King James Version
For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be asgodscreators of the universe, knowing good and evil.Exodus 15:11 King James Version
Who is like unto thee, O Lord, among thegodscreators of the universe?Ed, I have always assumed that you and many others truly believe the word “god” means “creator of the universe”. Long before you admitted this belief, I have repeatedly told people that the reason they don't fully understand the many gods in the scriptures is because they INACCURATELY believe that “god” actually means “creator of the universe”.
It doesn't. There is no use of “elohim” or “theos” in any scripture that automatically implies “creator of the universe”. That's why it must be explained many times in scripture that, among the many gods, Jehovah alone is the ONE god who DID create the universe.
Quote (Ed J @ July 18 2013,03:38) Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 18 2013,09:57)
I agree with Webster: Any of various beings conceived of as supernatural, immortal, and having special powers over the lives and affairs of people and the course of nature.
That would be an idol or a false god.
Why would a being who has “special powers over the lives and affairs of people and the course of nature” be considered a “false god”? If Satan commanded powerful winds, fire from heaven, and directed human beings to harm Job's family – how exactly is he a “FALSE god”?If Chemosh was able to bring wrath down upon the Israelites, causing them to flee – how is he a “FALSE god”?
If the gods of Egypt were able to turn wooden staffs into living snakes, turn water into blood, and produce frogs out of thin air – how are they “FALSE gods”?
And more importantly: WHICH SCRIPTURE CALLS THEM “FALSE” GODS?
This is simply denial from a person who WANTS to believe there is literally only one god – despite the FACT that scriptures teach of many. It is this same denial that causes translators to add the words “so-called” and “false” into the inspired scriptures, because they have TAUGHT THEMSELVES that there SHOULD BE only one god. They surely didn't learn this from any scripture. They think they are protecting the scriptures from themselves……. but in fact they do a disservice to God's written word. And they generally do it for one very specific PERSONAL reason: They KNOW that Jesus is called a god many times in scripture, and they WANT us to believe he is the Most High God, so they've INVENTED the doctrine that there is literally only ONE god in all of scripture – just so they can then claim that Jesus IS that ONE God.
You have fallen for their trick – hook, line, and sinker.
Wise up Ed. You are a serious student of scripture. You should not be so easily fooled.
Quote (Ed J @ July 06 2013,02:57) Quote (t8 @ July 05 2013,10:24) Quote (Ed J @ July 01 2013,14:21) Hi T8, What does one have to do with the other?
God bless
Ed J
That God used King James to create the only accurate Bible in existence was also a man who engaged in witch hunts and had this bible written in English only.I don't buy your hypothesis for one minute.
Hi T8,You are free to believe whatever you want my friend.
YHVH also used “David” – who took another man's wife and then had him killed.“But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise;
and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty;
And base things of the world, and things which are despised, hath God chosen, yea, and things which are not,
to bring to nought things that are: That no flesh should glory in his presence.” (1 Cor 1:27-29)Your brother
in Christ, Jesus.
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
So that is your scriptural proof that King James commissioned the only accurate translation of the Bible and it came in one language. I could equally prove that the NIV is the only true translation because that sounds foolish too.There is a difference between what appears as foolish to men Ed J and what actually is foolish.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 21 2013,06:43) Quote (Ed J @ July 18 2013,03:11) Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 18 2013,09:42)
(10)But Jehovah calls Satan a god. So does Paul.
10) Is he not a false god?
Satan is very real, and is called god in scripture by Jehovah and by Paul.Do you know of any scripture that says he is a “FALSE god”?
Remember that a god is: Any of various beings conceived of as supernatural, immortal, and having special powers over the lives and affairs of people and the course of nature. – Webster's
Job 1 and 2 prove that Satan has “special powers over the lives and affairs of people and the course of nature”, right? So what exactly makes him a “false” god? And more importantly, in what scripture can I read that he is a “false” god?
Further, he is the originator of many things too. He is a father. The Father of lies and murder for a start. He was the first to do such things.T8……..Satan is not a person “it”is a spirit, that dwells in the children of disobedience. Personifying a spirit does not make a true person. Those who serve that spirit are considered to be his children, just as those who serve God the Fathers Spirit are considered to be children of God. Problem is people do not know what a spirit is, it is not what we call a person. IMO
Peace and love to you and yours…………………………….gene
Quote (t8 @ July 20 2013,17:22) Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 21 2013,06:43) Quote (Ed J @ July 18 2013,03:11) Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 18 2013,09:42)
(10)But Jehovah calls Satan a god. So does Paul.
10) Is he not a false god?
Satan is very real, and is called god in scripture by Jehovah and by Paul.Do you know of any scripture that says he is a “FALSE god”?
Remember that a god is: Any of various beings conceived of as supernatural, immortal, and having special powers over the lives and affairs of people and the course of nature. – Webster's
Job 1 and 2 prove that Satan has “special powers over the lives and affairs of people and the course of nature”, right? So what exactly makes him a “false” god? And more importantly, in what scripture can I read that he is a “false” god?
Further, he is the originator of many things too. He is a father. The Father of lies and murder for a start. He was the first to do such things.
Good points, t8. But what about Molech/Milcom? Read 1 Kings 11:33, where he is called “THE god of the Ammonites”.Or how about “THE gods of Egypt”, who turned staffs into snakes, and water into blood?
According to the parameters YOU set (being called “THE god” of something), shouldn't they also be “real gods” in your understanding?
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