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Quote (kerwin @ July 16 2013,09:12) Quote (terraricca @ July 16 2013,00:22) Quote (kerwin @ July 15 2013,23:27) Quote (terraricca @ July 13 2013,21:28)
Kerwintrue actions according to God's law ARE NOT TRADITIONS
NOW;SINS YOU ARE SO INCLINE TO MAKE A CASE ABOUT THE “EL” OF ABRAHAM AND THE KING OF SODOM SO LET SEE ACCORDING TO SCRIPTURES ;
WHICH OF THE TWO HAS GIVEN THE TITHE TO THE HIGH PRIEST OF THE TRUE “EL” THAT CAME TO BOTH OF THEM
1)WAS IT ABRAHAM
2)WAS IT THE KING OF SODOM
3) WAS IT BOTH OF THEMSO WHAT IS YOUR ANSWER
UNDERSTAND THAT ONLY THE ONE THAT SERVES THE TRUE “EL” WILL PAY THE TITHE NOT THE OTHER THAT AS ANOTHER “EL” TO WHICH HE MAKE OFFERINGS
T,I answered this and you accused me of twisting your words.
KQuote As far as I know neither Abraham or the King of Sodom are called a priest of El. why did you not answer my question ,instead of tell things i never said
so answer the question ,and do not tell lies
T,My answer is none of them as far as I know as I know of no Scripture which either of them were a priest of El.
KERWINthis is my question ;WHICH OF THE TWO(ABRAHAM OR THE KING OF SODOM) HAS GIVEN THE TITHE TO THE HIGH PRIEST(MELCHIZEDEK) OF THE TRUE “EL” THAT CAME TO BOTH OF THEM
SO PLEASE ANSWER MY QUESTION AND DO NOT RESPOND TO WHAT I DID NOT EVEN ASK OR MENTION
Quote (terraricca @ July 16 2013,09:48) Quote (kerwin @ July 16 2013,09:12) Quote (terraricca @ July 16 2013,00:22) Quote (kerwin @ July 15 2013,23:27) Quote (terraricca @ July 13 2013,21:28)
Kerwintrue actions according to God's law ARE NOT TRADITIONS
NOW;SINS YOU ARE SO INCLINE TO MAKE A CASE ABOUT THE “EL” OF ABRAHAM AND THE KING OF SODOM SO LET SEE ACCORDING TO SCRIPTURES ;
WHICH OF THE TWO HAS GIVEN THE TITHE TO THE HIGH PRIEST OF THE TRUE “EL” THAT CAME TO BOTH OF THEM
1)WAS IT ABRAHAM
2)WAS IT THE KING OF SODOM
3) WAS IT BOTH OF THEMSO WHAT IS YOUR ANSWER
UNDERSTAND THAT ONLY THE ONE THAT SERVES THE TRUE “EL” WILL PAY THE TITHE NOT THE OTHER THAT AS ANOTHER “EL” TO WHICH HE MAKE OFFERINGS
T,I answered this and you accused me of twisting your words.
KQuote As far as I know neither Abraham or the King of Sodom are called a priest of El. why did you not answer my question ,instead of tell things i never said
so answer the question ,and do not tell lies
T,My answer is none of them as far as I know as I know of no Scripture which either of them were a priest of El.
KERWINthis is my question ;WHICH OF THE TWO(ABRAHAM OR THE KING OF SODOM) HAS GIVEN THE TITHE TO THE HIGH PRIEST(MELCHIZEDEK) OF THE TRUE “EL” THAT CAME TO BOTH OF THEM
SO PLEASE ANSWER MY QUESTION AND DO NOT RESPOND TO WHAT I DID NOT EVEN ASK OR MENTION
T,Scripture states Abraham gave tithe to the priest-king. It is silent about the king of Sodom on this point.
Quote (kerwin @ July 16 2013,10:02) Quote (terraricca @ July 16 2013,09:48) Quote (kerwin @ July 16 2013,09:12) Quote (terraricca @ July 16 2013,00:22) Quote (kerwin @ July 15 2013,23:27) Quote (terraricca @ July 13 2013,21:28)
Kerwintrue actions according to God's law ARE NOT TRADITIONS
NOW;SINS YOU ARE SO INCLINE TO MAKE A CASE ABOUT THE “EL” OF ABRAHAM AND THE KING OF SODOM SO LET SEE ACCORDING TO SCRIPTURES ;
WHICH OF THE TWO HAS GIVEN THE TITHE TO THE HIGH PRIEST OF THE TRUE “EL” THAT CAME TO BOTH OF THEM
1)WAS IT ABRAHAM
2)WAS IT THE KING OF SODOM
3) WAS IT BOTH OF THEMSO WHAT IS YOUR ANSWER
UNDERSTAND THAT ONLY THE ONE THAT SERVES THE TRUE “EL” WILL PAY THE TITHE NOT THE OTHER THAT AS ANOTHER “EL” TO WHICH HE MAKE OFFERINGS
T,I answered this and you accused me of twisting your words.
KQuote As far as I know neither Abraham or the King of Sodom are called a priest of El. why did you not answer my question ,instead of tell things i never said
so answer the question ,and do not tell lies
T,My answer is none of them as far as I know as I know of no Scripture which either of them were a priest of El.
KERWINthis is my question ;WHICH OF THE TWO(ABRAHAM OR THE KING OF SODOM) HAS GIVEN THE TITHE TO THE HIGH PRIEST(MELCHIZEDEK) OF THE TRUE “EL” THAT CAME TO BOTH OF THEM
SO PLEASE ANSWER MY QUESTION AND DO NOT RESPOND TO WHAT I DID NOT EVEN ASK OR MENTION
T,Scripture states Abraham gave tithe to the priest-king. It is silent about the king of Sodom on this point.
kerwinright ,because the king of Sodom made his claim to Abram for all his goods that were stolen and so got it all back except for the payment of Abraham men that went with them to fight ,Abraham refused all share in any way from the king of Sodom ,but he give the tithe to MELCHIZEDEK for the reason of the blessing ;OF HIS GOD
BUT SINS THE KING OF SODOM DID NOT WORSHIP THE GOD OF ABRAHAM HE DID NOT PAY THE TITHE TO MELCHIZEDEK THE HIGH PRIEST OF THE GOD OF ABRAHAM ,
AND SO WE CAN CONCLUDE THAT SODOM DID NOT WORSHIP THE GOD JEHOVAH THE GOD OF ABRAHAM ,RIGHT
and so all you speculations of “EL” etc…..are null
T,
Quote BUT SINS THE KING OF SODOM DID NOT WORSHIP THE GOD OF ABRAHAM HE DID NOT PAY THE TITHE TO MELCHIZEDEK THE HIGH PRIEST OF THE GOD OF ABRAHAM , Scripture does not say so and so we do not know if or if not the king of Sodom paid a tithe to anyone. Unless we have more information it is a mystery that cannot be solved.
Quote (kerwin @ July 16 2013,12:01) T, Quote BUT SINS THE KING OF SODOM DID NOT WORSHIP THE GOD OF ABRAHAM HE DID NOT PAY THE TITHE TO MELCHIZEDEK THE HIGH PRIEST OF THE GOD OF ABRAHAM , Scripture does not say so and so we do not know if or if not the king of Sodom paid a tithe to anyone. Unless we have more information it is a mystery that cannot be solved.
KerwinYES ,KERWIN I CAN LIVE WITH THAT ANSWER ,BUT IT SEEMS YOU CANNOT ,YOU HAVE TO INVENT THAT SODOM WORSHIP THE “EL” OF ABRAHAM ,AND THIS IS A LIE ,IF IT WOULD BE SO IT WOULD HAVE SAID SO ,
SO DO NOT SAY THINGS YOU CAN NOT BACK UP WITH SCRIPTURES
Quote (terraricca @ July 16 2013,23:11) Quote (kerwin @ July 16 2013,12:01) T, Quote BUT SINS THE KING OF SODOM DID NOT WORSHIP THE GOD OF ABRAHAM HE DID NOT PAY THE TITHE TO MELCHIZEDEK THE HIGH PRIEST OF THE GOD OF ABRAHAM , Scripture does not say so and so we do not know if or if not the king of Sodom paid a tithe to anyone. Unless we have more information it is a mystery that cannot be solved.
KerwinYES ,KERWIN I CAN LIVE WITH THAT ANSWER ,BUT IT SEEMS YOU CANNOT ,YOU HAVE TO INVENT THAT SODOM WORSHIP THE “EL” OF ABRAHAM ,AND THIS IS A LIE ,IF IT WOULD BE SO IT WOULD HAVE SAID SO ,
SO DO NOT SAY THINGS YOU CAN NOT BACK UP WITH SCRIPTURES
T,Today many say that both Trinitarians and Jehovah Witnesses worship the same El. In that way Abraham and the king of Sodom worshiped the same El. I know of no Scripture that condemns the worship of El, even the Canaanite El.
Quote (Ed J @ July 15 2013,19:29) OK, but I'll have to skip the Pepsi,
I eliminated “high fructose corn syrup” out of my diet.
Hi Ed,
In what seems to be a strange turn of events, we may be making some headway after all. You said:
Quote Hi Mike, 1) I too believe the false god 'Molech' was really a fallen Angel. So I kinda think we agree here.
Okay. We agree that Molech is one of the angels of Jehovah who rebelled against his Creator, and chose to follow Satan instead.Do we also agree that Satan is an angel of Jehovah who rebelled against his Creator? In other words, do you also claim that Satan is a “false god”?
Quote (Ed J @ July 15 2013,19:21) Hi Mike, 1) I'd say JEHOVAH deserves to take credit for those he sends.
Agreed. But if that reasoning works for “only savior”, why doesn't it work equally well for “only god”?Of all the many gods, both in heaven and on earth, not ONE of them would have the power to pick his own nose if it wasn't given to him from Jehovah in the first place, right?
So just like no one would have the power to save without Jehovah giving that power – no one would have power over the lives and affairs of humans, or the course of nature without Jehovah giving that power.
So in that way, Jehovah could claim to be the ONLY mighty one in existence, because without Him, no others would be mighty in the least.
Quote (kerwin @ July 15 2013,21:05) Mike, Root beer, Pepsi can dissolve bolts.
I used to drink over a gallon of soda each day. Mountain Dew, to be specific.
I switched to tea a couple of years ago………… and ended up losing about 30 pounds as a result. I didn't change anything else about my diet, just dumped the soda.
Quote (kerwin @ July 17 2013,00:49) Quote (terraricca @ July 16 2013,23:11) Quote (kerwin @ July 16 2013,12:01) T, Quote BUT SINS THE KING OF SODOM DID NOT WORSHIP THE GOD OF ABRAHAM HE DID NOT PAY THE TITHE TO MELCHIZEDEK THE HIGH PRIEST OF THE GOD OF ABRAHAM , Scripture does not say so and so we do not know if or if not the king of Sodom paid a tithe to anyone. Unless we have more information it is a mystery that cannot be solved.
KerwinYES ,KERWIN I CAN LIVE WITH THAT ANSWER ,BUT IT SEEMS YOU CANNOT ,YOU HAVE TO INVENT THAT SODOM WORSHIP THE “EL” OF ABRAHAM ,AND THIS IS A LIE ,IF IT WOULD BE SO IT WOULD HAVE SAID SO ,
SO DO NOT SAY THINGS YOU CAN NOT BACK UP WITH SCRIPTURES
T,Today many say that both Trinitarians and Jehovah Witnesses worship the same El. In that way Abraham and the king of Sodom worshiped the same El. I know of no Scripture that condemns the worship of El, even the Canaanite El.
Kyou back at it
why was Sodom destroyed
for there good behavior and god fearing people ? and Canaan was it not the land that God of Abraham promised to his future offspring,and that God destroyed for them and that God told them not to go after the gods of the Canaanites I am done with you on” EL ” passo
Quote (terraricca @ July 17 2013,04:19) Quote (kerwin @ July 17 2013,00:49) Quote (terraricca @ July 16 2013,23:11) Quote (kerwin @ July 16 2013,12:01) T, Quote BUT SINS THE KING OF SODOM DID NOT WORSHIP THE GOD OF ABRAHAM HE DID NOT PAY THE TITHE TO MELCHIZEDEK THE HIGH PRIEST OF THE GOD OF ABRAHAM , Scripture does not say so and so we do not know if or if not the king of Sodom paid a tithe to anyone. Unless we have more information it is a mystery that cannot be solved.
KerwinYES ,KERWIN I CAN LIVE WITH THAT ANSWER ,BUT IT SEEMS YOU CANNOT ,YOU HAVE TO INVENT THAT SODOM WORSHIP THE “EL” OF ABRAHAM ,AND THIS IS A LIE ,IF IT WOULD BE SO IT WOULD HAVE SAID SO ,
SO DO NOT SAY THINGS YOU CAN NOT BACK UP WITH SCRIPTURES
T,Today many say that both Trinitarians and Jehovah Witnesses worship the same El. In that way Abraham and the king of Sodom worshiped the same El. I know of no Scripture that condemns the worship of El, even the Canaanite El.
Kyou back at it
why was Sodom destroyed
for there good behavior and god fearing people ? and Canaan was it not the land that God of Abraham promised to his future offspring,and that God destroyed for them and that God told them not to go after the gods of the Canaanites I am done with you on” EL ” passo
T,By the time of the children being called out of Israel the Canaanites turned to worshiping Baal. Even then you had those, like Balamm, that worshiped both.
Numbers 22:13
King James Version (KJV)13 And Balaam rose up in the morning, and said unto the princes of Balak, Get you into your land: for the Lord(Jehovah) refuseth to give me leave to go with you.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 17 2013,07:42) Quote (kerwin @ July 15 2013,21:05) Mike, Root beer, Pepsi can dissolve bolts.
I used to drink over a gallon of soda each day. Mountain Dew, to be specific.
I switched to tea a couple of years ago………… and ended up losing about 30 pounds as a result. I didn't change anything else about my diet, just dumped the soda.
Hi Mike,Some restaurants add the bacon grease to the deep-fryer,
in that case I would *opt for hash-browns. And
I drink coffee way more that tea.*I follow the Jewish Kosher laws. (ref. Acts 21:24-25)
Your brother
in Christ, Jesus.
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgHi Mike,
Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 17 2013,07:27) Hi Ed, In what seems to be a strange turn of events, we may be making some headway…
Yes, and it is clearly due to to your new approach.Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 17 2013,07:27) …after all. You said: Quote (Ed J @ July 16 2013,12:26)
I too believe the false god 'Molech' was really a fallen Angel. So I kinda think we agree here.
(1)Okay. We agree that Molech is one of the angels of Jehovah who rebelled against his Creator, and chose to follow Satan instead.(2)Do we also agree that Satan is an angel of Jehovah who rebelled against his Creator? In other words, do you also claim that Satan is a “false god”?
I see the connection you wish to make by posing these two questions together.
But you shall see by my answers that I too have connections – different from
yours – but nevertheless I connect these two questions together as well.So let me clarify my position a bit more. Remember your new approach,
which allows for my perspective of truth, and not just yours alone;
which goes no-where towards “OUR” mutual understanding.1) I don't believe that Molech (Ref. Lev.18:21) was a fallen Angel's name, but rather…
I believe that Molech was and is a 'false god' – meaning “A FICTITIOUS god”
which was perpetrated by a fallen Angel. So do we actually agree?
(Your response will dictate if we “ACTUALLY” agree or not)2) The distintcual difference here is: although Satan was and is also a fallen angel
(called 'Lucifer' Ref. Isaiah 14:12), his false light instead portrays himself
as the true “GOD” (ref. 2Thess.2:3-4), rather than merely 'another god'.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (mikeboll64 @ July 17 2013,07:31) Quote (Ed J @ July 15 2013,19:21) Hi Mike, 1) I'd say JEHOVAH deserves to take credit for those he sends.
(1)Agreed. But if that reasoning works for “only savior”, why doesn't it work equally well for “only god”?(2)Of all the many gods, both in heaven and on earth, not ONE of them would have the power to pick his own nose if it wasn't given to him from Jehovah in the first place, right?
(3)So just like no one would have the power to save without Jehovah giving that power – no one would have power over the lives and affairs of humans, or the course of nature without Jehovah giving that power.
(4)So in that way, Jehovah could claim to be the ONLY mighty one in existence, because without Him, no others would be mighty in the least.
Hi Mike,1) I echo your sentiment here: In what seems to be a strange turn of events, we may be making some headway here.
GOOD QUESTION! Here's why: YHVH did send “saviors” (Neh 9:27), but He didn't send other gods! (<– do you agree?)2) This question is based on a false presupposition and therefore not worthy of a response.
3) Now you're trying to build on YOUR false presupposition.
(Back to your tired OLD FAILED POLICIES again I see)4) We already know how you're understanding the Scriptures, now we
are beginning to discuss my point of view (your new approach).
See my last post (to you) which illustrates my point of view.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgedj
Quote *I follow the Jewish Kosher laws. (ref. Acts 21:24-25) those thing are not real ,they are a false concept ,but some one can believe that it is good for them and believe in them but are not better or worse ,it is your body that should tell you what you should eat or not eat ,and that at some point could be a real struggle ,
see I am on the ocean diet” EAT WHAT EVER YOU SEE ”
Quote (kerwin @ July 17 2013,05:23) Quote (terraricca @ July 17 2013,04:19) Quote (kerwin @ July 17 2013,00:49) Quote (terraricca @ July 16 2013,23:11) Quote (kerwin @ July 16 2013,12:01) T, Quote BUT SINS THE KING OF SODOM DID NOT WORSHIP THE GOD OF ABRAHAM HE DID NOT PAY THE TITHE TO MELCHIZEDEK THE HIGH PRIEST OF THE GOD OF ABRAHAM , Scripture does not say so and so we do not know if or if not the king of Sodom paid a tithe to anyone. Unless we have more information it is a mystery that cannot be solved.
KerwinYES ,KERWIN I CAN LIVE WITH THAT ANSWER ,BUT IT SEEMS YOU CANNOT ,YOU HAVE TO INVENT THAT SODOM WORSHIP THE “EL” OF ABRAHAM ,AND THIS IS A LIE ,IF IT WOULD BE SO IT WOULD HAVE SAID SO ,
SO DO NOT SAY THINGS YOU CAN NOT BACK UP WITH SCRIPTURES
T,Today many say that both Trinitarians and Jehovah Witnesses worship the same El. In that way Abraham and the king of Sodom worshiped the same El. I know of no Scripture that condemns the worship of El, even the Canaanite El.
Kyou back at it
why was Sodom destroyed
for there good behavior and god fearing people ? and Canaan was it not the land that God of Abraham promised to his future offspring,and that God destroyed for them and that God told them not to go after the gods of the Canaanites I am done with you on” EL ” passo
T,By the time of the children being called out of Israel the Canaanites turned to worshiping Baal. Even then you had those, like Balamm, that worshiped both.
Numbers 22:13
King James Version (KJV)13 And Balaam rose up in the morning, and said unto the princes of Balak, Get you into your land: for the Lord(Jehovah) refuseth to give me leave to go with you.
KQuote By the time of the children being called out of Israel the Canaanites turned to worshiping Baal. Even then you had those, like Balamm, that worshiped both. you mean; out of Egypt
Nu 22:1 Then the Israelites traveled to the plains of Moab and camped along the Jordan across from Jericho.
Nu 22:2 Now Balak son of Zippor saw all that Israel had done to the Amorites,
Nu 22:3 and Moab was terrified because there were so many people. Indeed, Moab was filled with dread because of the Israelites.REV 2:14 ‘But I have a few things against you, because you have there some who hold the teaching of Balaam, who kept teaching Balak to put a stumbling block before the sons of Israel, to eat things sacrificed to idols and to commit acts of immorality.
JUDE 1:11 Woe to them! For they have gone the way of Cain, and for pay they have rushed headlong into the error of Balaam, and perished in the rebellion of Korah.
2PE 2:15 forsaking the right way, they have gone astray, having followed the way of Balaam, the son of Beor, who loved the wages of unrighteousness;
MIC 6:5 “My people, remember now
What Balak king of Moab counseled
And what Balaam son of Beor answered him,
And from Shittim to Gilgal,
So that you might know the righteous acts of the LORD.”NE 13:2 because they did not meet the sons of Israel with bread and water, but hired Balaam against them to curse them. However, our God turned the curse into a blessing.
Quote like Balamm, that worshiped both. could you show that he did this in scriptures
to me it is either or neither you cannot worship the true God and Satan at the same timeQuote (terraricca @ July 17 2013,14:19) edj Quote *I follow the Jewish Kosher laws. (ref. Acts 21:24-25) those thing are not real ,they are a false concept ,but some one can believe that it is good for them and believe in them but are not better or worse ,it is your body that should tell you what you should eat or not eat ,and that at some point could be a real struggle ,
see I am on the ocean diet” EAT WHAT EVER YOU SEE”
EDJ…….There is no Lucifer name for ” Satan”, go to Isaiah 14:4 , God told him to take up this “PROVERB” ( a factious illustration ) to the king of Babylon. It's a metaphorical expression , like a parable. You can not take it literally.
Peace and love to you and yours…………………………gene
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ July 18 2013,03:57) EDJ…….There is no Lucifer name for ” Satan”, go to Isaiah 14:4 , God told him to take up this “PROVERB” ( a factious illustration ) to the king of Babylon. It's a metaphorical expression , like a parable. You can not take it literally. Peace and love to you and yours…………………………gene
Hi Gene,You may not agree with me, but I believe YHVH is telling
us the cause of human rebellion in these Chapters of the bible:“The Son of Perdition”
Isaiah 14
Ezekiel 28
Revelation 12God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Gene Balthrop @ July 17 2013,22:57) EDJ…….There is no Lucifer name for ” Satan”, go to Isaiah 14:4 , God told him to take up this “PROVERB” ( a factious illustration ) to the king of Babylon. It's a metaphorical expression , like a parable. You can not take it literally. Peace and love to you and yours…………………………gene
Gene,The king was a type of Satan.
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