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Deuteronomy 32:17
They sacrificed unto devils, not to God; to gods whom they knew not, to new gods that came newly up, whom your fathers feared not.

Which one of your four definitions of elohim will you apply to this verse, Ed? Both the Hebrew text and your AKJV equate “devils” with “gods”.

What will be your song and dance this time?

Hi Mike,

I'd say the word 'gods' works OK there, that is except for you – who gets the wrong idea
out of it.

Hi Mike,

Sorry for the mix-up – but that is not the part of your post I was responding to. You deleted the wrong part.

Could you please go back and readdress my post in the proper context?

God bless
Ed J

July 1, 2013 at 2:07 pm#349519

GeneBalthrop

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EDJ……..How interesting , Our God said he “LOOKED” for OTHER Gods and found NONE , but Mike and his Co-hart find millions of them, even False and New God are Gods to them, and he turns the word “LIKE” God, as Meaning they “ARE” Gods. I wonder oif an An t is a God to Mike you can drop it from space and it will not die when it hits the ground , it can easely life more then it waight. Our God can find any other God but our Monitor can find all kinds of them, Jesus said there is ONLY “ONE” “TRUE” GOD, but Mike does not believe Jesus and thinks there are many “TRUE” GODS. He rewrites scriptures to fit his pwn agendas. He can not make Jesus he calls God own word a seperated a God unless he does this. He disreguard all kind of scriptures and just pushes his own agenda and trying to make us believe he is being truthfull with scriptures all the time leaving out all the scriptures that completely disagree with his Dogmas. So nowhere does he seperate thise who are not a God from those who are a God. Where is the seperation line I mean even Satan is a God to him so the word God has been reduced to anyone Mike designates as a God, But he seem unable to tell us who is Not a God in all this garbage he of all kinds of Gods.

peace and love to yuo and your………………………………………gene

July 1, 2013 at 4:02 pm#349527

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peace and love to yuo and your………………………………………gene

gene

you need more bible study,IT SAYS “GOD'S LIKE HIM “THERE IS NONE ;BUT HE IS THE GOD OF GODS ;HOW CAN THAT BE IF THEIR ARE NO OTHER GODS TELL ME

July 1, 2013 at 4:25 pm#349535

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JEHOVAH is the most high “leader” – there are no gods.

“there is no God else beside me” (Isaiah 45:21)

Ed J,

Jehovah is the only “perfect, omnipotent, omniscient originator and ruler of the universe” but the God Mike and T believe in is not omnipresent. They believe instead that God is a “being of supernatural powers or attributes, believed in and worshiped by a people” and those are believers. They believe each angel is “A being of supernatural powers or attributes” but not to be worshiped by people. They have many God's but only one primary God just like Jesus is the one Lord even though there are many lords. They basically believe God is an uncreated super angel.

Jehovah Elohim is Elohim of Elohim is to me better expressed in English as Jehovah God is the Pantheon of the pantheon. Even pantheon is a poor fit unless you include those beings associated with the gods but not worshiped. Jehovah is not just God he is the God of the Gods, he is their pantheon.

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” but the God Mike and T believe in is not omnipresent.

why are you always quoting things i have told you of what I believe ,

the God I believe in is omnipresent though his creation ,a thing that Paul is teaching ,and David as well ,

you need more reading in the scriptures to allow you to understand what it teaches,

Mike as told you what he believe (what is close to my believes)

That is not omnipresent.

om·ni·pres·ent
/ˌämnəˈpreznt/
Adjective
(of God) Present everywhere at the same time.
Widely or constantly encountered; common or widespread: “the omnipresent threat of natural disasters”.

understand that their is no place in all of creation where God glory is not present ,where his laws are not firmly established and at work ,and God as a eye on all things what men does ,

You do not believe Jehovah is omnipresent.

July 1, 2013 at 4:32 pm#349536

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Sorry Marty,

I have no time for game-playing. Nor do I have the time to start yet another discussion with you about the pre-existence of Jesus, just so you can yet again walk away from it.

There is a post to you that I worked very hard on, about 20 or 30 pages back in this thread. When you get the time to address that post, perhaps I'll again have time for you.

Hi Mike:

I know about your post. It is the same old thing, the same old spin, never accomplishing anything, because you are too proud to admit when you have made a mistake.

And so, I get tired of going over the same thing with you over and over again.

The scriptures state that for a Christian there is but “One God”, and it has already been explained to you why He calls the angels “gods”, and so, if you want to keep trying to refute this through your wisdom rather than believing the scriptures then you need to take up this discussion with someone else.

And the same goes, for the pre-existence of Christ. I have just showed you that you added some words to a scripture to justify your belief about this. But instead of simply acknowledging this, you take off on another tangent. There is no scripture which you can give me which states that Jesus pre-existed as a sentinent person prior to his birth into this world, and if no scripture, then you can argue this until you are blue in the face, and you will never be able to justify your belief in this.

And there is no scripture which shows that Jesus was changed from a man to some other form of being. He is still a man but no, longer has a mortal body but a spiritual one.

He was foreordained to come into the world at an appointed time to offer his life as a perfect sacrifice, and by it to reconcile unto God. He is the propitiation for the sins of all who obeyed God from creation unto the rapture of the church.

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Col 1:19 ¶ For it pleased [the Father] that in him should all fulness dwell;

Col 1:20 And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, , whether [they be] things in earth, or things in heaven.

I still love you, in Christ, Mike,
Marty

Marty,

Are you deciphering the long run on sentence in Colossians 1 that has “the firstborn of creation” in it?

July 1, 2013 at 4:35 pm#349537

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JEHOVAH is the most high “leader” – there are no gods.

“there is no God else beside me” (Isaiah 45:21)

Ed J,

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” but the God Mike and T believe in is not omnipresent.

why are you always quoting things i have told you of what I believe ,

the God I believe in is omnipresent though his creation ,a thing that Paul is teaching ,and David as well ,

you need more reading in the scriptures to allow you to understand what it teaches,

Mike as told you what he believe (what is close to my believes)

That is not omnipresent.

om·ni·pres·ent
/ˌämnəˈpreznt/
Adjective
(of God) Present everywhere at the same time.
Widely or constantly encountered; common or widespread: “the omnipresent threat of natural disasters”.

understand that their is no place in all of creation where God glory is not present ,where his laws are not firmly established and at work ,and God as a eye on all things what men does ,

You do not believe Jehovah is omnipresent.

it depend how you want to see it ;

if God would not pay attention to what is going on in his own creation then why would he have send his own son to save it

now sins God is the origin of creation it is normal and logic to see all his wisdom and knowledge what the best group of us can not even fathom a close understanding of the complexity of that creation ,but most of men will not recognize that ,are you one of them

now because you do not feel the presence of God this does not mean he is not present in some kind of way ,I do feel him to be near ,and pray like king David did;

PS 51:11 Do not cast me away from Your presence
And do not take Your Holy Spirit from me.

I do hope you understand this ?

July 1, 2013 at 4:42 pm#349538

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I believe God is omnipresent but I was speaking of those like you when I said the definition of God you used did not include that characteristic. That is why I said you believed God is “A being of supernatural powers or attributes, believed in ~~and worshiped~~ by a people, especially a male deity thought to control some part of nature or reality.”

I am unclear of your view on angels as it sometimes seem you are using god in the same sense but that they are not the gods choose to worship.

Kerwin,

What if you remove the words “and worshiped”?

This definition is from Merriam Webster:

god
any of various beings conceived of as supernatural, immortal, and having special powers over the lives and affairs of people and the course of nature

You see there is no mention of “worship” in this definition. And since the Hebrew word “elohim”, IN AND OF ITSELF, did not carry a connotation of worship in it, the above definition from Webster fits the Biblical definition of “elohim” more readily.

Consider:
2 Kings 17:35
Do not worship any other gods or bow down to them………

See? If the word “elohim”, in and of itself, already implied “one you worship”, then it could never be said that we are not to worship any other gods. It could never be said that we are to worship only the particular elohim who created the heavens and the earth. These things would not have to be spoken if the word “god”, in and of itself, already implied worship.

And we know this is not the case, because angels are often called gods in scripture, without even an inkling that any of us should worship them.

When dictionaries throw the word “worship” into their definitions, they muck the whole thing up. See if you can follow this fact:

Acknowledging that there EXIST other gods is NOT the same thing as acknowledging they deserve any worship from us.

Are we agreed about this final statement?

Mike,

I was going by the definition of god you gave here. It seems you believe Jehovah and the angels are the same kind but that only Jehovah is to be worshiped.

I understand they have the characteristic of being mighty.

July 1, 2013 at 4:45 pm#349539

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JEHOVAH is the most high “leader” – there are no gods.

“there is no God else beside me” (Isaiah 45:21)

Ed J,

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” but the God Mike and T believe in is not omnipresent.

why are you always quoting things i have told you of what I believe ,

the God I believe in is omnipresent though his creation ,a thing that Paul is teaching ,and David as well ,

you need more reading in the scriptures to allow you to understand what it teaches,

Mike as told you what he believe (what is close to my believes)

That is not omnipresent.

om·ni·pres·ent
/ˌämnəˈpreznt/
Adjective
(of God) Present everywhere at the same time.
Widely or constantly encountered; common or widespread: “the omnipresent threat of natural disasters”.

understand that their is no place in all of creation where God glory is not present ,where his laws are not firmly established and at work ,and God as a eye on all things what men does ,

You do not believe Jehovah is omnipresent.

it depend how you want to see it ;

if God would not pay attention to what is going on in his own creation then why would he have send his own son to save it

now because you do not feel the presence of God this does not mean he is not present in some kind of way ,I do feel him to be near ,and pray like king David did;

PS 51:11 Do not cast me away from Your presence
And do not take Your Holy Spirit from me.

I do hope you understand this ?

Omnipresent means that wherever I go God is there already.

July 1, 2013 at 8:55 pm#349545

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JEHOVAH is the most high “leader” – there are no gods.

“there is no God else beside me” (Isaiah 45:21)

Ed J,

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” but the God Mike and T believe in is not omnipresent.

why are you always quoting things i have told you of what I believe ,

the God I believe in is omnipresent though his creation ,a thing that Paul is teaching ,and David as well ,

you need more reading in the scriptures to allow you to understand what it teaches,

Mike as told you what he believe (what is close to my believes)

That is not omnipresent.

om·ni·pres·ent
/ˌämnəˈpreznt/
Adjective
(of God) Present everywhere at the same time.
Widely or constantly encountered; common or widespread: “the omnipresent threat of natural disasters”.

understand that their is no place in all of creation where God glory is not present ,where his laws are not firmly established and at work ,and God as a eye on all things what men does ,

You do not believe Jehovah is omnipresent.

it depend how you want to see it ;

if God would not pay attention to what is going on in his own creation then why would he have send his own son to save it

now because you do not feel the presence of God this does not mean he is not present in some kind of way ,I do feel him to be near ,and pray like king David did;

PS 51:11 Do not cast me away from Your presence
And do not take Your Holy Spirit from me.

I do hope you understand this ?

Omnipresent means that wherever I go God is there already.

K
dictionary ;
Widely or constantly encountered; common or widespread: “the omnipresent threat of natural disasters”.

this is the way I see it ;

July 1, 2013 at 9:22 pm#349548

GeneBalthrop

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I am unclear of your view on angels as it sometimes seem you are using god in the same sense but that they are not the gods choose to worship.

Kerwin,

What if you remove the words “and worshiped”?

This definition is from Merriam Webster:

god
any of various beings conceived of as supernatural, immortal, and having special powers over the lives and affairs of people and the course of nature

Consider:
2 Kings 17:35
Do not worship any other gods or bow down to them………

And we know this is not the case, because angels are often called gods in scripture, without even an inkling that any of us should worship them.

When dictionaries throw the word “worship” into their definitions, they muck the whole thing up. See if you can follow this fact:

Acknowledging that there EXIST other gods is NOT the same thing as acknowledging they deserve any worship from us.

Are we agreed about this final statement?

Mike,

I was going by the definition of god you gave here. It seems you believe Jehovah and the angels are the same kind but that only Jehovah is to be worshiped.

I understand they have the characteristic of being mighty.

Mike……So who do you know that is supernatural, immortal, has powers over people and nature. I only know one who has that power, how many do you know that does, Moses thought he had that power to bring water out of rock, for a second, but look what happened to him, for thinking that. I know no one in the bible who has those powers over all those things but ONE GOD. IF you know some who does please tell us who he or she is so we can all see these other little Gods of yours.

Peace and love to you and yours…………….gene

July 1, 2013 at 11:14 pm#349552

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JEHOVAH is the most high “leader” – there are no gods.

“there is no God else beside me” (Isaiah 45:21)

Ed J,

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” but the God Mike and T believe in is not omnipresent.

why are you always quoting things i have told you of what I believe ,

the God I believe in is omnipresent though his creation ,a thing that Paul is teaching ,and David as well ,

you need more reading in the scriptures to allow you to understand what it teaches,

Mike as told you what he believe (what is close to my believes)

That is not omnipresent.

om·ni·pres·ent
/ˌämnəˈpreznt/
Adjective
(of God) Present everywhere at the same time.
Widely or constantly encountered; common or widespread: “the omnipresent threat of natural disasters”.

understand that their is no place in all of creation where God glory is not present ,where his laws are not firmly established and at work ,and God as a eye on all things what men does ,

You do not believe Jehovah is omnipresent.

it depend how you want to see it ;

if God would not pay attention to what is going on in his own creation then why would he have send his own son to save it

now because you do not feel the presence of God this does not mean he is not present in some kind of way ,I do feel him to be near ,and pray like king David did;

PS 51:11 Do not cast me away from Your presence
And do not take Your Holy Spirit from me.

I do hope you understand this ?

Omnipresent means that wherever I go God is there already.

K
dictionary ;
Widely or constantly encountered; common or widespread: “the omnipresent threat of natural disasters”.

this is the way I see it ;

You do not believe in an omnipresent God but you do believe in an omnipresent kingdom of God.

July 1, 2013 at 11:28 pm#349553

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Hi Gene,

The problem comes in – when you try to BACK TRANSLATE words to Hebrew or Greek.
Mike does this with the word “God” and T8 does this with the word “Angel”.
The problem is, when you do this you change the meaning of the text.
Now Mike's got other gods and T8's got men being called Angels.

The problem is more easily seen in “The Fact”
THAT THERE'S NO SUCH THING AS AN 'i am' god.
This is the same problem, but done on a much larger scale.

The term 'i am' CANNOT be 'back translated' to Hebrew,
and they believe that if their language doesn't have
a word for something, THEN IT DOESN'T EXIST. So
now 'i am' has become the false god of religion.

Your brother
in Christ, Jesus.
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

July 1, 2013 at 11:39 pm#349554

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Quote (Ed J @ July 02 2013,10:28)

Hi Gene,

The problem is more easily seen in “The Fact”
THAT THERE'S NO SUCH THING AS AN 'i am' god.
This is the same problem, but done on a much larger scale.

Your brother
in Christ, Jesus.
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Hi Everyone,

The 'i am' misconception has got to be the biggest misconception going.
Mike thinking there are other gods is a much smaller by comparison,
and how much less for T8 to believe that men are called Angels.
So you can NOW easily see that most 'misconceptions' come from trying to back translate.

Your brother
in Christ, Jesus.
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

July 2, 2013 at 12:00 am#349555

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And so, I get tired of going over the same thing with you over and over again.

Hi Marty,

Same here. Enough is enough. Just know that if you agree angels ARE called gods in scripture, then Jehovah isn't LITERALLY the only one. Nor is there any reason to shy away from, or try to twist the scriptures where Jesus is clearly identified as a god.

So you can claim “ONE GOD” until the cows come home, but you've already acknowledged that angels are also gods. Much like Jehovah calls Himself the ONLY savior, when He has clearly SENT many saviors at many different times. Much like Jesus says ONLY God is good, when it is clear that Jesus, Michael, Gabriel, Abraham, Samuel, Moses, and many others were also good. Or when it is said of Jesus, Solomon, and the disciples, “you know ALL things”, when it is clear from scripture that they DIDN'T literally know ALL things.

These are all EMPHATICAL statements, and the sooner you realize this, the better you will begin to understand the scriptures for what they REALLY teach.

As for the pre-existence of Christ………… although we've put together a database of over 50 scriptures that support his pre-existence, all that is really needed is Phil 2:6-7. In that one little passage we learn that Jesus was existing in the form of God BEFORE being made into the likeness of a human being. There is NO OTHER sensible way to understand the words of that passage.

And as for Jesus still being a man………. Jesus himself told us that flesh cannot even SEE the kingdom of heaven, let alone enter it. He himself said that we must be born again of something OTHER THAN flesh in order to do these things. Paul taught us the same exact thing, saying “flesh cannot inherit the kingdom of God”, and “Jesus has become a life giving SPIRIT”.

Some day you WILL know these things, Marty. I pray that you are raised from the dead WITH this knowledge – as opposed to finding out on judgment day that you've been wrong this whole time.

But you are correct that we really have nothing more to talk about.

Take care,
mike

July 2, 2013 at 12:05 am#349556

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Quote (kerwin @ July 01 2013,10:42)

Mike,

It seems you believe Jehovah and the angels are the same kind but that only Jehovah is to be worshiped.

I understand they have the characteristic of being mighty.

I didn't say Jehovah and His angels are the “same kind”, Kerwin. But if you are talking only about their spirit nature, then yes, they are.

Instead, what I am saying is that the Hebrew word “el” merely means “mighty one”. It says nothing about the “kind”, or “nature”, or “eternalness”, or “creating”, or anything else. It merely identifies one as mighty.

July 2, 2013 at 12:10 am#349558

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JEHOVAH is the most high “leader” – there are no gods.

“there is no God else beside me” (Isaiah 45:21)

Ed J,

Note: quotes from thefreedictionary.com

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” but the God Mike and T believe in is not omnipresent.

why are you always quoting things i have told you of what I believe ,

the God I believe in is omnipresent though his creation ,a thing that Paul is teaching ,and David as well ,

you need more reading in the scriptures to allow you to understand what it teaches,

Mike as told you what he believe (what is close to my believes)

That is not omnipresent.

om·ni·pres·ent
/ˌämnəˈpreznt/
Adjective
(of God) Present everywhere at the same time.
Widely or constantly encountered; common or widespread: “the omnipresent threat of natural disasters”.

understand that their is no place in all of creation where God glory is not present ,where his laws are not firmly established and at work ,and God as a eye on all things what men does ,

You do not believe Jehovah is omnipresent.

it depend how you want to see it ;

if God would not pay attention to what is going on in his own creation then why would he have send his own son to save it

now because you do not feel the presence of God this does not mean he is not present in some kind of way ,I do feel him to be near ,and pray like king David did;

PS 51:11 Do not cast me away from Your presence
And do not take Your Holy Spirit from me.

I do hope you understand this ?

Omnipresent means that wherever I go God is there already.

K
dictionary ;
Widely or constantly encountered; common or widespread: “the omnipresent threat of natural disasters”.

this is the way I see it ;

You do not believe in an omnipresent God but you do believe in an omnipresent kingdom of God.

do you realy understand what you are saying

July 2, 2013 at 12:14 am#349560

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Quote (Gene Balthrop @ July 01 2013,15:22)

Mike……So who do you know that is supernatural, immortal, has powers over people and nature.

I know no one in the bible who has those powers over all those things but ONE GOD. IF you know some who does please tell us who he or she is so we can all see these other little Gods of yours.

Really Gene?

Have you ever read the Book of Job? In the very first chapter, Satan (who is called a god by both Jehovah and Paul) had power over Sabeans, Chaldeans, fire from heaven, and mighty wind.

Have you read the Exodus account? The gods of Egypt (who are called that by both Moses and Jehovah Himself) turned water into blood, produced frogs out of thin air, and turned wooden staffs into living snakes.

What Bible have you been reading?

July 2, 2013 at 12:19 am#349563

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Quote (Ed J @ July 01 2013,17:28)

The problem comes in – when you try to BACK TRANSLATE words to Hebrew or Greek.
Mike does this with the word “God”………..

What are you talking about, Ed? The Hebrew word “elohim” is “FORWARD-translated” as “god” in English.

How am I “BACK-translating” anything?

Also, I read your answer that the demons were “false gods”. Can you show me the scripture that ever calls a demon a “false god”? Moses surely didn't call them “false gods” in Deuteronomy 32:17, right? So where exactly are YOU getting this term?

July 2, 2013 at 1:06 am#349586

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Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 02 2013,11:19)

Quote (Ed J @ July 01 2013,17:28)

The problem comes in – when you try to BACK TRANSLATE words to Hebrew or Greek.
Mike does this with the word “God”………..

What are you talking about, Ed? The Hebrew word “elohim” is “FORWARD-translated” as “god” in English.

How am I “BACK-translating” anything?

Also, I read your answer that the demons were “false gods”. Can you show me the scripture that ever calls a demon a “false god”? Moses surely didn't call them “false gods” in Deuteronomy 32:17, right? So where exactly are YOU getting this term?

Hi Mike,

There you go again with yet another misconception that you want to argue about. I'll try again…
The word “EL-o-heem” translates to English as any one of the following:
(which one depends on the context)

1. GOD
2. Angels
3. Leaders
4. Magistrates

Since Demons are fallen “Angels” that would fit definition #2.
“Baal” would be an example of a 'false god', NOT demons!

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

July 2, 2013 at 1:29 am#349592