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Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 08 2013,09:04) Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Feb. 07 2013,06:55) ……..you and Mike are……. “little god” makers.
Gene,Is Jesus Christ ever referred to as a god in scripture? YES or NO? (Isaiah 9:6, Hebrews 1:8-9, etc.)
Mike……….Jesus the man is never said to be a God in any scripture. The Christos that was “IN” him was God the Father , It was God “IN” Jesus reconciling the world unto himself, You and T8 have never come to truly believe God the Father was truly “IN” Jesus even though Jesus said that over and over through out his minnerstry. Jesus the man was never a God or in your and T8 case a “little god” either. He never prexisted his berth as anykind of being either.If you can't understand that it was the Anointing of the Spirit of God “in” the “MAN” Jesus doing the works. You have missed so much of what Jesus said over and over. Your giving the credit to Jesus at the expense of God the Father who was “IN” him guiding him and performing the Works.
The “SON OF MAN” can do “NOTHING” of “HIMSELF”, the Father “in” me “HE” doth works.
Just believe Jesus, Mike, that is all you have to do. Believe what he said about himself and and what the Prophets like Moses said where he would come from. No Scripture ever spoke of a “MORPHED” Being of anykind comming into existence from another realm of existences.
You need to get rid of all that Hog wash you have learned from false Christanity and Trinitarian Translators who corrupted the Scriptures to meet their Gnostic induced religion of the Greeks and Romans , who indroduced Pagan thought into true Christanity , and have corrupted the Gosple of Jesus our Anoited lord and comming King, but beyond that, our brother who also is our Kindsmen Redemmer. Placed by the Father as head of the household of God.
Peace and Love to all who hold these trues “IN” them, they are the true Israel of God.
peace and love to you and yours……………………….gene
Mike Isa 9:6 does not say Jesus Himself “IS” the or Wonderful, Counselor, the mighty God, the Everlasting FATHER, the Prince of Peace. He shall be called that because God the Father who was “IN” him will perform those works. Notice ,
Isa 9:7 ……> Of the increase of government and peace no end, upon the throne of “DAVID”, and upon his kingdom, to order it and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even forever. (Now NOTICE Mike) The LORD “YAHWEH” of “hosts” shall “perform this”.
So mike if a person can See GOD the Father “IN” Jesus it can be seen GOD is PRESENT as Thomas come to See saying my Lord “and” my God
God is and was truly present “IN” Jesus , to bad you can't see that and instead of seeing it you simply call Jesus a “little god , but fact is Jesus is no God at all because that God told us there is no other God besides him, he even said he looked and found none, Now if that God is a Spirit He can actually be “IN” a Person and even Speak through Him Just as He did the Prophets and also Jesus.
Just as it says God who spoke to us in times past has in these latter days has spoken to us through a Son God the Father who was “IN” Jesus was Speaking HIS OWN WORDS “through Him'” the word Jesus s was speaking to us were not his Words Mike, again when are you people going to start to truly believe Jesus ?
As far as what is written in Hebrews i have explained that before, Jesus Has the “SEVEN SPIRITS of GOD in Him and giving him the Understanding of God and the Power to execute those spirits also , But these Spirit were and are not His even though he exercises them , That is why in Hebrews it say thy kingdom “O” God is an everlasting Kingdom why because it is truly God the Father doing the work even in the Kingdom mentioned their.
You seem unable to see God the Father “IN” Jesus so you attribute his works to him as a “little god”. No Mike Jesus is not any God whatsoever and no one else is either. IMO
peace and love to you and yours……………………………gene
Hi Gene, and everybody,
WHAT DOES THIS SAY?
“his name shall be called” (Isaiah 9:6)
1. His name
2. or JesusHis name: “YA is salvation”
YA is salvation is called: The mighty God and The everlasting Father
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Gene Balthrop @ Feb. 09 2013,04:01) You and T8 have never come to truly believe God the Father was truly “IN” Jesus even though Jesus said that over and over through out his minnerstry.
That is bearing false witness Gene.We totally believe that God was in Christ redeeming the world back to himself.
If you have to resort to false accusations, then that only demonstrates what little or nothing you have to condemn us with.
Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 09 2013,02:31) Hi Gene, and everybody, WHAT DOES THIS SAY?
“his name shall be called” (Isaiah 9:6)
1. His name
2. or JesusHis name: “YA is salvation”
YA is salvation is called: The mighty God and The everlasting Father
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Gene, T8, and Everyone,Do you guys think Jesus is “The Everlasting Father” or Jesus' father?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgAbraham is a father, Jesus is greater than Abraham.
He is like the everlasting Abraham so to speak.
Jesus is not the Heavenly Father, nor the Father of our spirits.Hi T8,
So he is, but he isn't?
And you talk about the “Trins”.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ Feb. 09 2013,02:31) Hi Gene, and everybody, WHAT DOES THIS SAY?
“his name shall be called” (Isaiah 9:6)
1. His name
2. or JesusHis name: “YA is salvation”
YA is salvation is called: The mighty God and The everlasting Father
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Hi T8,AND, you're ignoring that the bible says “his name shall be called”;
and attempt to change the meaning to “he shall be called”;
is this not a perversion of Scripture on your part, T8?God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgHi T8,
Confusion and alterations, do you have anything else to offer?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (t8 @ Feb. 09 2013,08:35) Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Feb. 09 2013,04:01) You and T8 have never come to truly believe God the Father was truly “IN” Jesus even though Jesus said that over and over through out his minnerstry.
That is bearing false witness Gene.We totally believe that God was in Christ redeeming the world back to himself.
If you have to resort to false accusations, then that only demonstrates what little or nothing you have to condemn us with.
T8…… Please show me where you have said that T8, do you truly believe what Thomas said that he was speaking of The lord Jesus “AND” God as meaning two separate being were present , or do you believe Thomas meant that “Jesus” was both his Lord and His God, why have you not said before, God the “ONLY” God, was in the man Jesus, Doing his works. If that was what you believe.And if the man Jesus was a God why would he need another God to be in him anyway, a Deity in another Deity. What you believe is God was in the little god Jesus doing his works. You believe both were and are Gods and let's not play this big God, little god stuff, All scripture written in Greek were written in upper case lettering until around 900 AD as i recall.
It is not God was in the Christ, (God was the Christ) that was (IN) the Man Jesus doing his Works. What you are saying is this, God who is the Christos the (Anointing) (Spirit) ,was not “IN” the Christos the (Anointing) “Spirit” how does that work T8?
The Christos (anointing Spirit) was the God that was in the man Jesus. But you have made the man Jesus himself another God and that is not bearing false wittiness T8.
Scripture say God is not a man but you say a man is a God. Scripture says the word was God you say Jesus was the word/God. God said there is “NO” other God besides Him, NO NOT EVEN ONE, you say there is, So who is bearing false wittiness here ?
Not to even mention the Ten commandments which say You shall have “NO” other God besides Me You can preach Jesus as any kind of “God” big or little if you want , but i for one will believe what God the Father himself said, and i know Jesus never said any thing different either. for thou art the “ONLY” “TRUE” God all others then are false Gods, big or little ones . IMO
peace and love to you and yours……………………gene
Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 08 2013,23:53) Hi T8, AND, you're ignoring that the bible says “his name shall be called”;
and attempt to change the meaning to “he shall be called”;
is this not a perversion of Scripture on your part, T8?
Genesis 3:20
And Adam called his wife's name Eve……..Genesis 4:26
And to Seth, to him also there was born a son; and he called his name Enos……..Genesis 5:3
…….and called his name Seth…..Genesis 5:29
And he called his name Noah………Genesis 11:9
Therefore is the name of it called Babel……Genesis 17:5
Neither shall thy name any more be called Abram…….Luke 2:21
And when eight days were accomplished for the circumcising of the child, his name was called Jesus……Shall I continue? Ed, it seems it is YOU who would like to pervert the scriptures using this common word usage. If it says, “his name was called……”, it means the same thing as saying “his name WAS…….”, or “HE is called……”.
Ed, tell me the difference between these four:
1. He is called Jesus.
2. His name is called Jesus.
3. He is Jesus.
4. His name is Jesus.
Can all four of them be said about Jesus? YES or NO? Are they all accurate? YES or NO? Does one of them mean something different than the others? YES or NO?
If so, which one? And in what way does that one convey a different meaning to us than the others?
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Feb. 08 2013,08:01) Mike……….Jesus the man is never said to be a God in any scripture.
Hebrews 1:8 AKJV
But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever………Gene, according to the scripture above, does the Father call the Son “god”?
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 11 2013,02:58) Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 08 2013,23:53) Hi T8, AND, you're ignoring that the bible says “his name shall be called”;
and attempt to change the meaning to “he shall be called”;
is this not a perversion of Scripture on your part, T8?
Genesis 3:20
And Adam called his wife's name Eve……..Genesis 4:26
And to Seth, to him also there was born a son; and he called his name Enos……..Genesis 5:3
…….and called his name Seth…..Genesis 5:29
And he called his name Noah………Genesis 11:9
Therefore is the name of it called Babel……Genesis 17:5
Neither shall thy name any more be called Abram…….Luke 2:21
And when eight days were accomplished for the circumcising of the child, his name was called Jesus……Shall I continue? Ed, it seems it is YOU who would like to pervert the scriptures using this common word usage. If it says, “his name was called……”, it means the same thing as saying “his name WAS…….”, or “HE is called……”.
Ed, tell me the difference between these four:
1. He is called Jesus.
2. His name is called Jesus.
3. He is Jesus.
4. His name is Jesus.
Can all four of them be said about Jesus? YES or NO? Are they all accurate? YES or NO? Does one of them mean something different than the others? YES or NO?
If so, which one? And in what way does that one convey a different meaning to us than the others?
Hi Mike,Do you call Jesus “The Everlasting Father”? “Yes” or “no”?
Jesus' name: “YA is Salvation”
My question establishes my premise.
Your questions only confine the truth.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Note: “I don't know” is acceptable“For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon
his shoulder: and his (YA is Salvation) name shall be called Wonderful, Counselor,
The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.” (Isaiah 9:6)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 11 2013,02:58) Ed, tell me the difference between these four: 1. He is called Jesus.
2. His name is called Jesus.
3. He is Jesus.
4. His name is Jesus.
OK,A) The personal pronoun “His” is used in 2 & 4, while “He” used in 1 and 3.
B) The word “called” is used in 1 and 2, while being missing from 3 and 4.
C) The word “Name” is used in 2 and 4, while being missing from 1 and 2.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 11 2013,02:58) Shall I continue? 1. He is called Jesus.
2. His name is called Jesus.
3. He is Jesus.
4. His name is Jesus.
Can all four of them be said about Jesus? YES or NO? Are they all accurate? YES or NO? Does one of them mean something different than the others? YES or NO?
If so, which one? And in what way does that one convey a different meaning to us than the others?
Irrelevant.See my posts two and three up (from this one) for the reason why.
Hi Mike,
Besides God's son's name is [יהשוע] YÄ-shü-ă; not Jesus.
Your brother
in Christ, Jesus.
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ Feb. 09 2013,19:48) Hi T8, So he is, but he isn't?
And you talk about the “Trins”.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Abraham is the father of those who have faith. Jesus is our everlasting father. Same word father, (Ab).Neither are the Heavenly Father. If that is what you are trying to point people to, then that would be wrong.
Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 09 2013,19:53) Hi T8, AND, you're ignoring that the bible says “his name shall be called”;
and attempt to change the meaning to “he shall be called”;
is this not a perversion of Scripture on your part, T8?
Ignoring what?His name shall be called Wonderful.
Judges 13:18
But the angel of the Lord said to him, “Why do you ask my name, seeing it is wonderful?”
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