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Quote (abe @ June 14 2013,10:26) Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 13 2013,18:56) Quote (abe @ June 13 2013,10:38) Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 11 2013,17:21) Abe, who are the gods in Psalm 8:5 – the ones Jehovah made man a little lower than?
It doesn't matter to Christians, we have ONE God.
Maybe you have been misunderstanding me, Abe. I don't claim that WE HAVE multiple gods. I claim that the scriptures clearly teach that THERE EXIST multiple gods.So I am NOT claiming that the gods in Psalm 8:5 are OUR GODS, that we should worship and serve as Jehovah.
But I still want to know WHO they are anyway. “It doesn't matter” is not a sufficient answer. It is in the scriptures, so apparently it DOES matter. Who are they, Abe?
Hi Mike,(Quote)
Maybe you have been misunderstanding me, Abe. I don't claim that WE HAVE multiple gods. I claim that the scriptures clearly teach that THERE EXIST multiple gods.You are talking out of BOTH sides of your Mouth !
Jam.1:8 A double-minded man is unstable in all his ways.
Peace……………
Peace…………….
abeI do see your frustration ,but it is not because of Mike ,but rather from your rejection of scriptures due to you religion orientation ,
you cannot make scriptures fight against each other ,but they all have to comply with the truth within them ,IF SOMEONE CANNOT DO OR UNDERSTAND THIS ,HE BECOMES A DOUBLE MINDED PERSON ,FOR THE VERY REASON THAT HE CANNOT ACCEPT THE WORD OF GOD ,BUT ONLY SOME PARTS AT HIS CONVENIENCE ,THIS TELLS ALL ABOUT THAT SO CALLED BELIEVER.
Quote (terraricca @ June 14 2013,05:50) abe I do see your frustration ,but it is not because of Mike ,but rather from your rejection of scriptures due to you religion orientation ,
I see it too, Pierre. I believe he is frustrated because he is stumped. After spending all those years believing things one certain way, and all these months arguing so fiercely against us, it is now just beginning to dawn on him that we've been telling it according to the actual scriptures all along.He has no recourse left except to either acknowledge the truth of what we've been saying all along – or resort to personal slams against us. Unfortunately, he has chosen the latter.
peace to you my kindred spirit,
mikeQuote (mikeboll64 @ June 15 2013,07:40) Quote (terraricca @ June 14 2013,05:50) abe I do see your frustration ,but it is not because of Mike ,but rather from your rejection of scriptures due to you religion orientation ,
I see it too, Pierre. I believe he is frustrated because he is stumped. After spending all those years believing things one certain way, and all these months arguing so fiercely against us, it is now just beginning to dawn on him that we've been telling it according to the actual scriptures all along.He has no recourse left except to either acknowledge the truth of what we've been saying all along – or resort to personal slams against us. Unfortunately, he has chosen the latter.
peace to you my kindred spirit,
mike
glad you here Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 14 2013,13:35) Quote (t8 @ June 13 2013,05:11) Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 12 2013,14:59) Read:
diabolosDefinition:
1) prone to slander, slanderous, accusing falsely
1a) a calumniator, false accuser, slanderer,2) metaphorically applied to a man who, by opposing the cause of God, may be said to act the part of the devil or to side with him
Is that not the point Mike.There is one Devil/Satan and those like him are called devils.
Those list of qualities or characteristics are of the Devil himself and thus those that possess these qualities are devils.
Judas was not The Devil, but like him in some way.
That's like saying Jehovah is the only one who is LITERALLY a savior, simply because He is often called “Savior” – like it was a personal title.It's like you're saying that any other saviors, like Jesus, are not really saviors at all, but are just metaphorically called that because they share certain characteristics with Jehovah.
The Greek word “diablos” means “slanderous”. If Judas was literally slanderous, then Judas was literally diablos.
Just because there is a specific one who is called “Slanderous” as his title doesn't mean all others are “so-called slanderers”, or “false slanderers”. It doesn't mean they are only “qualitatively slanderers”, or “metaphorically slanderers”.
Find a different scriptural example to demonstrate your point, because this one doesn't work. Jesus called Judas “slanderous”, and there is no reason to think he didn't mean it literally.
Mike…… Judas was against Jesus , just as all slanders are against the ones they slander, ha-satan is and accuser of the brethren, he is against them, Judas was acting against Jesus by betraying him. and that is why he is compared to a devil, because the spirit of ha-satan was at work in him, carrying out it's evil deeds. T8 is right on this, and you simply are wrong no matter how much carnal reasoning you use, as you do many things , and your co-hart is no different then you but perhaps more of an accuser and slanderer then you at times. IMOGENE
Quote Judas was against Jesus he was with Jesus for 3.5 years ,but he was not with Christ spirit ,he was more thinking carnally and so pick in the purse for his personal usage,this is why he could make some more by selling his betray for 30 pieces of silver,at the end the truth came but he could not bear it ,so he hang himself,
this is what wickedness does to you if you cultivated it long enough ,when you wake up it may be to late an so you would not be able to bear your own fruits ,
Jn 3:21 But whoever lives by the truth comes into the light, so that it may be seen plainly that what he has done has been done through God.”
failling to do what Christ says will result in the above just as Judah end up
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ June 15 2013,10:03) and that is why he is compared to a devil, because the spirit of ha-satan was at work in him, carrying out it's evil deeds.
I agree with that, Gene. So tell me again how I'm “wrong” when I agree with what you've said above.Mike, the scriptures state that there is “a first Adam”, and “a last Adam”. Adam = man. The “Words that he spoke to humanity that could be “spirit and life” to someone who obeyed them are the same “Words of God that he obeyed without sin unto death on the cross”. It is through this “Word of God” that he obeyed that “he is a life giving spirit”. He is “the express image of God's person”. He said “he who has seen me has seen the Father”. We have seen the Father through the life of obedience to the Father. We also through that spirit can have eternal life. Please read Romans 8.
Quote KJV Psa 8:5 For thou hast made him a little lower than the angels, and hast crowned him with glory and honour. Quote Hbr 2:9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man You use the following verse of scripture to assume that Jesus is no longer a man:
Quote Gal 1:1 ¶ Paul, an apostle, (not of men, neither by man, but by Jesus Christ, and God the Father, who raised him from the dead;) But from the following verses of scripture, it is clear that he stating that he did not receive the revelation from any of the Apostles:
Quote Gal 1:15 But when it pleased God, who separated me from my mother's womb, and called [me] by his grace, Gal 1:16 To reveal his Son in me, that I might preach him among the heathen; immediately I conferred not with flesh and blood:
Gal 1:17 Neither went I up to Jerusalem to them which were apostles before me; but I went into Arabia, and returned again unto Damascus.
Gal 1:18 ¶ Then after three years I went up to Jerusalem to see Peter, and abode with him fifteen days.
Gal 1:19 But other of the apostles saw I none, save James the Lord's brother
Let's see, He is the head of the body the church, and we the church are his body. Is that correct? And so, you are saying that the head of the body is a different species than his body?
Love in Christ,
MartyMarty
Quote Let's see, He is the head of the body the church, and we the church are his body. Is that correct? And so, you are saying that the head of the body is a different species than his body? this are words said allegorically their is no church ,but a congregation of redeemed souls from the earth in number 144k and they are no longer man but spirit beings just as Christ is and was before he came down and died for us (Rev;7 and 14
Quote (942767 @ June 15 2013,20:11) Mike, the scriptures state that there is “a first Adam”, and “a last Adam”. Adam = man.
Read the rest, Marty.1 Cor 15:47
The first man was of the dust of the earth, the second man from heaven.Are these two “adams” equal, Marty? Did they both originate from the same place? Or is it EASY to see the DIFFERENCE between the first and last adam?
Quote (942767 @ June 15 2013,20:11) KJV Psa 8:5 For thou hast made him a little lower than the angels, and hast crowned him with glory and honour.
Actually, the Hebrew text says that man was originally created a little lower than the gods, Marty. And these gods are Jehovah's divine counsel of angels, as can be seen from the way Paul understood the word “gods” in Hebrews 2:6-8. (This proves without a doubt that there DO exist many gods besides Jehovah, some of them in heaven – just like Paul CLEARLY said in 1 Cor 8:5 – and that these gods are not “so-called gods”, or “false gods”, but Jehovah's own spirit sons who are a part of His heavenly counsel.)Quote (942767 @ June 15 2013,20:11) Hbr 2:9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man
Do you see the difference between the psalm and the teaching in Heb 2:9? The psalm speaks of Jehovah originally creating mankind in general a little lower than the gods who were with Him in heaven. But mankind in general wasn't created a little lower than these other gods for the sole purpose of “suffering death”, were they?On the other hand, Jesus had to be made a little lower than the angels FOR the sole purpose of suffering death for the rest of us.
There is a big difference between being created a little lower than the gods from the start, and HAVING TO BE MADE a little lower than the angels FOR THE SPECIFIC PURPOSE of being able to die for every man.
Compare:
Hebrews 2:14
Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;See Marty? There is a REASON Jesus had to “come in the flesh”. (1 John 4:2-3, 2 John 1:7) There is a reason that Jesus was only the seed of David ACCORDING TO THE FLESH. (Acts 2:30, Romans 2:3) There is a REASON that the one who was existing in the form of God before the universe was created through him had to “be made in the likeness of a human being”. (Hebrews 1:2, Phil 2:6-8, John 1:14)
But this very important teaching of MANY scriptures seems to be lost on you.
Quote (942767 @ June 15 2013,20:11) But from the following verses of scripture, it is clear that he stating that he did not receive the revelation from any of the Apostles: Quote Gal 1:16 To reveal his Son in me, that I might preach him among the heathen; immediately I conferred not with flesh and blood: Gal 1:17 Neither went I up to Jerusalem to them which were apostles before me; but I went into Arabia, and returned again unto Damascus.
I agree that all of the Apostles were human beings, Marty. But think it out: If Jesus truly was still a human being, then Apostles or not, Paul could NOT have honestly said that he didn't receive his gospel from any human being, could he?The words are clear enough. You can either believe those words WHILE exercising your God-given common sense that a flesh human being cannot exist in the spiritual realm of heaven – seeing the face of God on a daily basis………….. OR …………. you can ignore your God-given common sense AND those clear scriptures, and continue to imagine that Jesus is the ONLY flesh human being who dwells in light that is unapproachable to humans at the right hand of God. The choice is yours.
Quote (942767 @ June 15 2013,20:11) Let's see, He is the head of the body the church, and we the church are his body. Is that correct? And so, you are saying that the head of the body is a different species than his body?
Get real, Marty. Do you SERIOUSLY believe that Jesus is LITERALLY your anatomical head? Has only the head been exalted above the angels, while the body of the same species remains a little lower than them?Gene I agree with what you said. I find it odd that a “moderator” allows his favorite member to harass people constantly, turning a blind eye to it. Is that what a moderator is supposed to do?
Quote (2besee @ June 16 2013,20:00) I find it odd that a “moderator” allows his favorite member to harass people constantly, turning a blind eye to it. Is that what a moderator is supposed to do?
Pierre,Please speak more nicely to the other members. Some folks are complaining about you being too harsh.
To All,
There is a “Report Post to Moderator” link at the bottom of every post. We moderators very rarely get involved unless someone first reports an infraction.
(BTW 2B, there are TWO moderators here. Are we BOTH turning a blind eye? We don't read every post, so we don't see everything. That's what the “Report Post” button is for.)
Mike,
But you are agreeing with the harassing posts, so how could you say that you do not read them?
I found your words regarding the harassment toward other members unconvincing.
Quote (2besee @ June 17 2013,10:08) Mike, But you are agreeing with the harassing posts, so how could you say that you do not read them?
I found your words regarding the harassment toward other members unconvincing.
2beeit seems to me you want a free access to be able to distribute any thing you want ,and NOT BE CHALLENGED
THIS IS A PUBLIC FORUM NOT YOUR PERSONAL ONE,AND FOR WHAT I CAN SEE THEIR AS BEEN NO HARASSMENT TOWARDS YOU ,ONLY ANSWERS AND QUESTIONING YOUR QUOTES,AND MOTIVES FOR IT ,
WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE IS TRUTH FROM SCRIPTURES NOT OPINIONS BECAUSE OPINIONS HAVE BEEN RECORDED SINS THE FALL OF MAN,BUT TRUTH IS GIVEN A LITTLE HERE AND A LITTLE THERE,
Mike
Quote Pierre, Please speak more nicely to the other members. Some folks are complaining about you being too harsh.
defending the truth as now become reasons for complaining about
it seems the false prophets are stronger in power yet in this world ,well ,well,were are my harsh words
did i became like Paul ;Ro 2:17 Now you, if you call yourself a Jew(believer); if you rely on the law and brag about your relationship to God;
Ro 2:18 if you know his will and approve of what is superior because you are instructed by the law;(scriptures)
Ro 2:19 if you are convinced that you are a guide for the blind, a light for those who are in the dark,
Ro 2:20 an instructor of the foolish, a teacher of infants, because you have in the law the embodiment of knowledge and truth—
Ro 2:21 you, then, who teach others, do you not teach yourself? You who preach against stealing, do you steal?
Ro 2:22 You who say that people should not commit adultery, do you commit adultery? You who abhor idols, do you rob temples?
Ro 2:23 You who brag about the law (scriptures), do you dishonor God by breaking the law?
Ro 2:24 As it is written: “God’s name is blasphemed among the Gentiles because of you.”
Ro 2:25 Circumcision has value if you observe the law, but if you break the law, you have become as though you had not been circumcised.
Ro 2:26 If those who are not circumcised keep the law’s requirements, will they not be regarded as though they were circumcised?
Ro 2:27 The one who is not circumcised physically and yet obeys the law will condemn you who, even though you have the written code and circumcision, are a lawbreaker.
Ro 2:28 A man is not a Jew(believer) if he is only one outwardly, nor is circumcision (baptism)merely outward and physical.
Ro 2:29 No, a man is a Jew(believer) if he is one inwardly; and circumcision is circumcision(baptism is baptism )of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the written code. Such a man’s praise is not from men, but from God.should we tear this part from scriptures ,for some that complains about it
this is what the complainer wants ,but can it be done
NOTerricca……..No one is saying you can't disagree with us, but when you go beyond that and start accusing us of all kind of things your going to far, I told you a long time ago your acting like an accuser of the brethren . If I were a monitor I would have told you along time ago to try to be more patient with other here. Your sarcastic remarks only drive people away from the site in IMO. I have even been privately mailed about it. It seems when you can't explain your disagreements you become sarcastic with us.
Tell us who made you a judge over the household of God, even Jesus say he judged NO MAN have you now become greater the HE. Look I am no telling you this as an enemy of yours, but as a brother I do admonish and ask you, to try to be a little more considerate with everyone here.
Peace and love to you and yours……………………………….gene
Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 17 2013,13:31) Quote (2besee @ June 16 2013,20:00) I find it odd that a “moderator” allows his favorite member to harass people constantly, turning a blind eye to it. Is that what a moderator is supposed to do?
Pierre,Please speak more nicely to the other members. Some folks are complaining about you being too harsh.
To All,
There is a “Report Post to Moderator” link at the bottom of every post. We moderators very rarely get involved unless someone first reports an infraction.
(BTW 2B, there are TWO moderators here. Are we BOTH turning a blind eye? We don't read every post, so we don't see everything. That's what the “Report Post” button is for.)
Mike…….I do agree with 2besee on this, you do seem to turn a blind eye at times with regards to Pierre. Is it because he follows your teachings?, I find it hard to believe you can't see his accusatory spirit.Look your job is to monitor us and keep us at peace with each other here, even if we disagree on somethings. Not alway an easy task I know because we do at time get passionate on what we believe and that includes me also brother. But you took the job so it your responsibility right. Not alway an easy one Mike.
Peace and love to you and yours…………………………..gene
Terraricca,
I know that some may pity you, but I also know that you are a troll and I know what trolls do. Most sites would have barred you long ago, but fur some strange reason you seem to be encouraged to troll, and yes the moderator reads your posts. I have seen your excuses, etc, and that is what trolls do. We are big people and i just ignore or laugh at you most of the time, but one day, if not already, you will do this to an innocent babe in Christ. The site will support you. You are a troll, simple as that.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 13 2013,18:56) Quote (abe @ June 13 2013,10:38) Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 11 2013,17:21) Abe, who are the gods in Psalm 8:5 – the ones Jehovah made man a little lower than?
It doesn't matter to Christians, we have ONE God.
Maybe you have been misunderstanding me, Abe. I don't claim that WE HAVE multiple gods. I claim that the scriptures clearly teach that THERE EXIST multiple gods.So I am NOT claiming that the gods in Psalm 8:5 are OUR GODS, that we should worship and serve as Jehovah.
But I still want to know WHO they are anyway. “It doesn't matter” is not a sufficient answer. It is in the scriptures, so apparently it DOES matter. Who are they, Abe?
Hi Mike,(Quote)
Maybe you have been misunderstanding me, Abe. I don't claim that WE HAVE multiple gods. I claim that the scriptures clearly teach that THERE EXIST multiple gods.So I am NOT claiming that the gods in Psalm 8:5 are OUR GODS, that we should worship and serve as Jehovah.
But I still want to know WHO they are anyway. “It doesn't matter” is not a sufficient answer. It is in the scriptures, so apparently it DOES matter. Who are they, Abe?
But I still want to know WHO they are anyway.
So I am NOT claiming that the gods in Psalm 8:5 are OUR GODS,
Peace brother.
To all……..A GOD, can be anything , why? Because the word GOD implies obedience and worship and servitude. That is why Paul says there are so-called GODS MANY, BUT to US there is only one GOD. He did not say we couldn't make a God, because we can, but are they a true God ? YES TO THE PERSON MAKING THEM THEIR GOD.
Our GOD is the GOD of ALL those FALSE man made GODS. Was “RA”, a true EGYPTIAN GOD , YES he was to the EGYPTIANS, even though he was a “false” God, nevertheless he was a God TO THEM, It is the same with all so-called God's. A GOD is what you IDOLIZE so yes anything can be a God to you, it can even be your car, you home , your wife, etc. A GOD is what you give the control of your mind over to.
THEREFORE HE (our God says) “You shall have “NO” other GOD besides ME” you shall not bow down nor serve them. So it plainly shows, a giving of oneself over to them in a form of submission and service and worship also.
The word GOD, always implies “power” and “trust”. You can't have a GOD without both of those two things. IMO
Peace and love to you all and yours…………………….gene
Quote (2besee @ June 16 2013,22:08) Mike, But you are agreeing with the harassing posts, so how could you say that you do not read them?
2B, I agree with almost everything my friend Pierre posts on this site. I do NOT agree with the way he sometimes belittles other members in the process of saying those things. I do NOT agree with his sometimes very HARSH way of getting his point across to another member.But if that member doesn't report it, then what business is it of mine as a moderator?
I'm sorry you thought I was “unconvincing”, but if you ever again have a problem with something someone here posts to you, just report the post. It will be handled.
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