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Quote (abe @ April 22 2013,18:13) Mike, your in DENIAL.
Abe, I've already addressed your “interpretation”, and showed you how it cannot be. But perhaps you'll see it better if you answer the simple “YES” or “NO” question I've asked of t8 in the preceding post.Please answer it DIRECTLY, with a “YES”, or a “NO”.
Quote (abe @ April 22 2013,23:46) Quote ( Terraricca)
IT SEEMS TO ME THAT THEIR ARE MANY MINER GODS IN THOSE ABOVE VERSE YOU QUOTE,(For even if there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth (as indeed there are many “gods” and many “lords”)
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I dont see little god?BLINDNESS CAN COME AT ANY AGE,
IT SEEMS ,YOUR RELIGION AS MADE YOU A GOOD PROZELITE
Matt.15:10 And he called the multitude, and said unto them, Hear, and understand: 11Not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man; but that which cometh out of the mouth, this defileth a man.
1Cor.8:4 So then, about eating food sacrificed to idols: We know that “An idol is nothing at all in the world” and that “There is no God but one.” 5For even if there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth (as indeed there are many “gods” and many “lords”), 6yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live.
5For even if there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth (as indeed there are many “gods” and many “lords”),
Yet for US
One God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but One Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live.
Yet for US
One God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but One Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live.
How about English Comprehension?
Peace.
ABEQuote How about English Comprehension? i WANDER IF YOU HAVE THAT AS WELL , BECAUSE YOU SEEMS TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS IN YOUR MIND ,BUT NOT THE ONES I ASK ,SO COULD YOU GO BACK AND SEE WHAT I AM TALKING ABOUT ,OR BY NOW YOU ARE TO TIRED TO DO SO
ALL
Ps 45:1 My heart is stirred by a noble theme
as I recite my verses for the king;
my tongue is the pen of a skillful writer.Ps 45:2 You are the most excellent of men
and your lips have been anointed with grace,
since God has blessed you forever.
Ps 45:3 Gird your sword upon your side, O mighty one;
clothe yourself with splendor and majesty.
Ps 45:4 In your majesty ride forth victoriously
in behalf of truth, humility and righteousness;
let your right hand display awesome deeds.
Ps 45:5 Let your sharp arrows pierce the hearts of the king’s enemies;
let the nations fall beneath your feet.
Ps 45:6 Your throne, O God, will last for ever and ever;
a scepter of justice will be the scepter of your kingdom.
Ps 45:7 You love righteousness and hate wickedness;
therefore God, your God, has set you above your companions
by anointing you with the oil of joy.
Ps 45:8 All your robes are fragrant with myrrh and aloes and cassia;
from palaces adorned with ivory
the music of the strings makes you glad.
Ps 45:9 Daughters of kings are among your honored women;
at your right hand is the royal bride in gold of Ophir.if any is wise to read those scriptures and then within those scriptures say that those scriptures are NOT addressed to Christ for Christ ,LET HIM DO IT ,AND SEE HOW HE WILL TWIST THE TRUTH,
Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 22 2013,16:35) Quote (t8 @ April 22 2013,06:52) I haven't forgotten about your question in that other thread, although I have forgotten the question. 
Here is a different one. Answer this one first, please……………..
Psalm 45 is recited to a king. In verse 6, is that king called a god?
Hi Mike,Ps.45:6 Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: the sceptre of thy kingdom is a right sceptre.
:7 You have loved righteousness and hated wickedness; Therefore God, Your God, has anointed You With the oil of joy above Your fellows.
It is the same verse as Heb.1:8
Mike, eliminate the word O it does not BELONG. The Throne of God.
You have to understand the Trinitarian interpreters HAD to be true to their Dogma.
Peace brother.
Quote (terraricca @ April 22 2013,17:56) abe,April wrote:Quote ( Terraricca)
IT SEEMS TO ME THAT THEIR ARE MANY MINER GODS IN THOSE ABOVE VERSE YOU QUOTE,(For even if there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth (as indeed there are many “gods” and many “lords”)
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I dont see little god?BLINDNESS CAN COME AT ANY AGE,
IT SEEMS ,YOUR RELIGION AS MADE YOU A GOOD PROZELITE
Quote Matt.15:10 And he called the multitude, and said unto them, Hear, and understand: 11Not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man; but that which cometh out of the mouth, this defileth a man.
1Cor.8:4 So then, about eating food sacrificed to idols: We know that “An idol is nothing at all in the world” and that “There is no God but one.” 5For even if there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth (as indeed there are many “gods” and many “lords”), 6yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live.
5For even if there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth (as indeed there are many “gods” and many “lords”),
Yet for US
One God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but One Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live.
Yet for US
One God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but One Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live.
How about English Comprehension?
Peace.
ABEQuote How about English Comprehension? i WANDER IF YOU HAVE THAT AS WELL , BECAUSE YOU SEEMS TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS IN YOUR MIND ,BUT NOT THE ONES I ASK ,SO COULD YOU GO BACK AND SEE WHAT I AM TALKING ABOUT ,OR BY NOW YOU ARE TO TIRED TO DO SO
Hi T,(For even if there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth (as indeed there are many “gods” and many “lords”)
For even if
yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live.
yet for us (Christians)
Do you get it YET?
Peace.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 22 2013,08:29) Quote (kerwin @ April 21 2013,07:44) The last I knew Jehovah was never called Mighty God. Almighty seems more appropriate for him.
Kerwin,Jehovah is called “mighty God” in about 10-12 scriptures. Just search the words “mighty God” to see them.
Mike,Thank you. Mighty God seems a demotion but is the problem with seems.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 23 2013,04:40) Quote (Gene Balthrop @ April 22 2013,11:03) Mike i alway go by What God the Father says over any one else no matter who, and When He said there is “NO” God but him, and said he looked and found NONE i believe it, “LITERALLY”
Actually Gene,Jehovah said there were no “ELOHIM” besides Him. How can that be a LITERAL statement when Jehovah Himself speaks of many other gods, including Satan, who He calls “the god of Ekron”?
How can it be LITERAL if Jehovah is the “God OF gods”? Gene, who are these OTHER gods that Jehovah is the God OF?
Jehovah is also the “Most High God”, right? Who are these “lesser high gods” that Jehovah is higher than?
Geno, don't forget that Jehovah also said, Besides me, there is no savior. Yet we know that Jehovah SENT many other saviors throughout the scriptures – Jesus being the last.
Now, would you address that last post to you – the one about Psalm 45? I'm also waiting for Abe's response to that post, and the other ones I addressed to him on this thread.
Mike,You have a logical reasoning error as it can be literal if he is not being literal when he calls Satan and others elohim.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 22 2013,07:57) Quote (kerwin @ April 20 2013,07:52) Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 20 2013,08:21) Quote (kerwin @ April 18 2013,23:09) Mike, Your question shows a lack of knowledge.
Kerwin,What separates the being of “God” from those things He created? If the things God created are not God Himself, then something must separate them from the God who created them. What is that something?
Mike,Separation infers God has substance and God created all substance so he has none being as he existed before substance came to be. Both the earth and the heavens have substance as God created them.
How is substance separated from non-substance?
Kerwin,God IS light, according to scripture, right?
Yet, in the beginning, God said, “Let there BE light”.
How can God BE light if God CREATED light?
You are making claims against things I've said, but you truly have nothing but your own imagination to back those claims. None of us know a single thing about what it was like when only God existed.
What I do know is if there is nothing that separates the being of God from the creations of God, they all merge into one, and God becomes His very creations. And I know that God is not the things He created. Therefore I also know that SOMETHING separates what IS God from what IS NOT God. Pierre and I call that a “spiritual body”. God's body is described in many scriptures, Kerwin. One off the top of my head is Phil 2:6. Jesus was existing in the “morphe” (OUTWARD APPEARANCE/FORM) of God.
Mike,You are getting confused by the same word used to mean different things. Light is energy, matter unbound. The Light of God has a likeness to it but is not it.
I know that God created all earthly matter, whether bound or not, in the beginning. I know he also created its heavenly equivalent at the same time.
What is it called when you ascribe bodily attributes to that which has no body?
Mike…….Scripture say, there is but “one” God and “one” mediator between God and man, the “man” Jesus Christ do you see the word God Jesus Christ, there any where? Face the truth Mike you need Jesus to be a God of some kind to fit you false understanding of John 1:1 and that is the only reason you are so desperately pushing Jesus to be a God of some kind, lets be honest for a change Mike.
By the way I have seen no scripture where God said ha-satan is a god himself, even if he said he was the God of this or that, anything can be a God to anyone even a carved chunk of wood or stone , can be your God if you let it. But no matter if it is your ” so-called GOD it is still not a real God in any sense of the word unless you “TRUST” and worship it and serve it, then anything can be your own personal GOD, and I mean BIG GOD , no “little” one.
Mike you are not only denying Jesus' words but God the Fathers word's and the apostle Paul's and many others, but what's bad is your dragging poor Pierre down with you. I believe T8 knows better IMO.
Mike my advice to you is you had better start to take what Yahweh our only God, said about other Gods literally and seriously, lest He becomes angry with you and deal with your folly, and teach you who is a God and who is not. Your in bad territory on this one IMO.Peace and love to you and yours……………………gene
Quote (terraricca @ April 21 2013,21:15) Quote (kerwin @ April 21 2013,19:30) Quote (terraricca @ April 21 2013,10:12) Quote (kerwin @ April 20 2013,19:52) Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 20 2013,08:21) Quote (kerwin @ April 18 2013,23:09) Mike, Your question shows a lack of knowledge.
Kerwin,What separates the being of “God” from those things He created? If the things God created are not God Himself, then something must separate them from the God who created them. What is that something?
Mike,Separation infers God has substance and God created all substance so he has none being as he existed before substance came to be. Both the earth and the heavens have substance as God created them.
How is substance separated from non-substance?
Kcould you explain what substance it is '' GOD HIS SPIRIT “
SO SPIRIT = ? WHAT SUBSTANCE
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T,Love is spirit. What substance does love have.
Here is a blog from Psychology today that might help.
Quote In reality, love is not an object. We can feel it, but we can not touch it. We can not see it, but we can observe its effects. Like oxygen, the presence of love is life enhancing, and has a measurable impact upon the body. Unlike oxygen, love is not an odorless and tasteless gas that can be metabolized and used up. Love is not diminished by its expenditure, but like well-invested capital, the more we use it, the more it grows. If we understood that love is a frequency, a vibration, a state of consciousness, which can be summoned at will and is totally inexhaustible, our fears of losing love would lose their power over us. Note: Here is my source.
Klove does not exist ,IT ONLY EXIST BY ITS ACTION ,WAKE UP MAN,you should only feed yourself on God's word ,not men's
again you have false dreams ,so my question remains to be answered ;could you explain what substance it is '' GOD HIS SPIRIT “
T,Love does exist but is revealed by its fruits. It is like a vine that sends out roots where they are not seen only to appear as a shoot in a new place. Love requires a host.
So you are correct that the similitude of God to Love breaks down as he does not require a host. He is more the Host of reality.
I gave you the best answer I could at this time. I find that at times it is easier to say what is not than what is.
To all,
I have work I am foolishly putting off. I may not be able to address all your posts. Bump them and I plan to strive to answer them to my limited abilities.
Quote (abe @ April 23 2013,12:43) Quote (terraricca @ April 22 2013,17:56) abe,April wrote:Quote ( Terraricca)
IT SEEMS TO ME THAT THEIR ARE MANY MINER GODS IN THOSE ABOVE VERSE YOU QUOTE,(For even if there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth (as indeed there are many “gods” and many “lords”)
Quote
I dont see little god?BLINDNESS CAN COME AT ANY AGE,
IT SEEMS ,YOUR RELIGION AS MADE YOU A GOOD PROZELITE
Quote Matt.15:10 And he called the multitude, and said unto them, Hear, and understand: 11Not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man; but that which cometh out of the mouth, this defileth a man.
1Cor.8:4 So then, about eating food sacrificed to idols: We know that “An idol is nothing at all in the world” and that “There is no God but one.” 5For even if there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth (as indeed there are many “gods” and many “lords”), 6yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live.
5For even if there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth (as indeed there are many “gods” and many “lords”),
Yet for US
One God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but One Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live.
Yet for US
One God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but One Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live.
How about English Comprehension?
Peace.
ABEQuote How about English Comprehension? i WANDER IF YOU HAVE THAT AS WELL , BECAUSE YOU SEEMS TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS IN YOUR MIND ,BUT NOT THE ONES I ASK ,SO COULD YOU GO BACK AND SEE WHAT I AM TALKING ABOUT ,OR BY NOW YOU ARE TO TIRED TO DO SO
Hi T,(For even if there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth (as indeed there are many “gods” and many “lords”)
For even if
yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live.
yet for us (Christians)
Do you get it YET?
Peace.
abeyou still do not get it ;it seems you are on one cloud and me and Mike are on another ;
we know that there is only one God almighty is name is Jehovah ;but that does not exclude other gods(but none like Jehovah the almighty ) ,don't you understand this
Quote (t8 @ April 22 2013,23:52) Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 20 2013,21:21) To the Son He says, O God, your throne is forever……………
Can this equally mean that the sons says, “O God your throne is forever”. I don't have the time right now to check the context. Also, I haven't forgotten about your question in that other thread, although I have forgotten the question. I will reply when I get some time. Been busy lately.
No, T8 the scripture states:Quote Hbr 1:8 But unto the Son [he saith], Thy throne, O God, [is] for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness [is] the sceptre of thy kingdom. But the scripture in Psalm, it appears that God is referring to the King, possibly Solomon;
Quote Psa 45:3 Gird thy sword upon [thy] thigh, O [most] mighty, with thy glory and thy majesty. Psa 45:4 And in thy majesty ride prosperously because of truth and meekness [and] righteousness; and thy right hand shall teach thee terrible things.
Psa 45:5 Thine arrows [are] sharp in the heart of the king's enemies; [whereby] the people fall under thee.
Psa 45:6 Thy throne, O God, [is] for ever and ever: the sceptre of thy kingdom [is] a right sceptre.
Psa 45:7 Thou lovest righteousness, and hatest wickedness: therefore God, thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.
Psa 45:8 All thy garments [smell] of myrrh, and aloes, [and] cassia, out of the ivory palaces, whereby they have made thee glad.
Psa 45:9 Kings' daughters [were] among thy honourable women: upon thy right hand did stand the queen in gold of Ophir.
Love in Christ,
MartyMarty
Quote But the scripture in Psalm, it appears that God is referring to the King, possibly Solomon; no way by any means
To all……….You know what is funny here it is like Jesus said to those Pharasiees, what will i liken this generation unto they are like little childern playing in the market place saying we have piped unto you and you did not dance, we have mourned unto you and you did not cry. in some way it is kinda of like that here we seem to want other to dance to our own tunes.
love you all anyway……………………………..gene
Kerwin……….Hope your kidney thing is ok brother i have ask God to help you with it brother.
peace and love to you and your Kerwin…………………………………………gene
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ April 24 2013,21:30) Kerwin……….Hope your kidney thing is ok brother i have ask God to help you with it brother. peace and love to you and your Kerwin…………………………………………gene
Gene,My health is doing fine but I am attending college at this time and it is getting towards the end of the semester.
Quote (942767 @ April 23 2013,20:18) Quote (t8 @ April 22 2013,23:52) Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 20 2013,21:21) To the Son He says, O God, your throne is forever……………
Can this equally mean that the sons says, “O God your throne is forever”. I don't have the time right now to check the context. Also, I haven't forgotten about your question in that other thread, although I have forgotten the question. I will reply when I get some time. Been busy lately.
No, T8 the scripture states:Quote Hbr 1:8 But unto the Son [he saith], Thy throne, O God, [is] for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness [is] the sceptre of thy kingdom. But the scripture in Psalm, it appears that God is referring to the King, possibly Solomon;
Quote Psa 45:3 Gird thy sword upon [thy] thigh, O [most] mighty, with thy glory and thy majesty. Psa 45:4 And in thy majesty ride prosperously because of truth and meekness [and] righteousness; and thy right hand shall teach thee terrible things.
Psa 45:5 Thine arrows [are] sharp in the heart of the king's enemies; [whereby] the people fall under thee.
Psa 45:6 Thy throne, O God, [is] for ever and ever: the sceptre of thy kingdom [is] a right sceptre.
Psa 45:7 Thou lovest righteousness, and hatest wickedness: therefore God, thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.
Psa 45:8 All thy garments [smell] of myrrh, and aloes, [and] cassia, out of the ivory palaces, whereby they have made thee glad.
Psa 45:9 Kings' daughters [were] among thy honourable women: upon thy right hand did stand the queen in gold of Ophir.
Love in Christ,
Marty
Thanks Marty.It seems pretty straightforward to me. I'm still awaiting t8's response about those two passages. (Ps 45 and Heb 1)
Quote (terraricca @ April 23 2013,20:24) Marty Quote But the scripture in Psalm, it appears that God is referring to the King, possibly Solomon; no way by any means
Pierre,I've never even guessed which king Ps 45 was talking about. But why do you say it CAN'T be Solomon?
Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 26 2013,07:28) Quote (terraricca @ April 23 2013,20:24) Marty Quote But the scripture in Psalm, it appears that God is referring to the King, possibly Solomon; no way by any means
Pierre,I've never even guessed which king Ps 45 was talking about. But why do you say it CAN'T be Solomon?
Mikeif you read the total Sp 45 ;it is Jesus Christ the king that those words are address to ,every single verse you can see are all accomplished in Christ ,
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