Isaiah 14:19-20

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  • #301771
    Ed J
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    Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 10 2012,06:01)
    Hi ED,
    You witness ON BEHALF OF God?
    False teachings do not come from Him.

    Return to GO


    What false teachings?

    #301775
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi Ed,
    You cannot see what is wrong yet?

    #301780
    Ed J
    Participant

    Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 10 2012,06:07)
    Hi Ed,
    You cannot see what is wrong yet?


    Hi Nick,

    Do you have “two or three witnesses”? …witnesses, NOT OPINIONS!

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    #340653
    carmel
    Participant

    Ed wrote:

    [/quote]

    Quote
    ]My Father[/b] is the husbandman. Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away:
    and every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit. (John 15:1-2)    

    Edj,

    REGARDING THE ABOVE, IT WOULD BE INTERESTING IF YOU WERE TO DISCERN:

    WHAT ACTUALLY ARE BOTH BRANCHES WHICH JESUS REFERRED TO!

    NOW:Again:

    All yours enjoy!

    Lucifer opted to be the direct contender for the achievement of humanity. Therefore a negative God and be like the Most High.

    Matthew 16:22And Peter taking him, began to rebuke him, saying: Lord, be it far from thee, this shall not be unto thee. 23Who turning, said to Peter: Go behind me, Satan, thou art a scandal unto me: because thou savourest not the things that are of God,

    BUT THE THINGS THAT ARE OF MEN.

    always believing, and still believes,that he would achieve it

    God automatically,and accordingly only radiates His power to those who loves him. So since Lucifer became His direct contender,and became powerless, there was only one way out for Lucifer.

    That the light shines through darkness,and darkness never comprehended. OK?

    So God, through the word the mediator,Jesus'  spirit,recreated our world both through  HIMSELF SPIRITUAL WISE. (MALE, SOULS)and through darkness, Lucifer/Satan MATERIAL WISE (FEMALE FLESH)

    AND GOD BECAME BOTH GOD OF THE WORLD OBVIOUS THROUGH SATAN!

    AND GOD OF THE HEAVENS OBVIOUS THROUGH THE WORD!

    NOW REFLECT:

    THE WORLD AND THE FEMALE SUBJECTS WERE GIVEN TO SATAN.  EVIL

    THE SOUL AND THE MALE SUBJECTS WERE GOD'S GOOD

    IN THIS WAY GOD CREATED A VERY GOOD WORLD SINCE THERE WAS A PERFECT EQUILIBRIUM . BUT NOT PERFECTLY ALL GOOD!

    IT WAS JESUS FUNDAMENTAL TASK TO PUT IT PERFECTLY ALL GOOD!

    ON THE CROSS,TO DECIDE WHO IS MOST POWERFUL:GOOD OR EVIL!!!

    THE FLESH BODY OF JESUS,(SATAN'S PROPERTY EVIL) OR THE SOUL OF JESUS???(GOD'S PROPERTY GOOD)

    SO IF JESUS, son of man AS A JEW WAS NOT ACCORDING TO THE LEAST OF THE LEAST OF SATAN'S WORLD CREDENTIALS AND THE TEN COMMANDMENTS OF GOD OF THE WORLD, JESUS WOULD HAVE BEEN ERADICATED!

    but SATAN  lost it on the cross in his first attempt,when Jesus never died ALTHOUGH MAN,but Satan did ALTHOUGH A SPIRIT, and achieved his kingdom!

    TO EXPLAIN IN DETAILS HOW JESUS OVERTHREW SATAN,IN A WAY THAT SATAN NEVER HAD THE CHANCE  TO FUNCTION AS THE SPIRIT OF DEATH, HIS OWN ATTRIBUTE, BUT INSTEAD JESUS'SPIRIT FUNCTIONED AND CONTINUED THE SPIRITUAL PROCESS OF  HIS FLESH BODY,THEREFORE DIDN'T DIE LIKE WE DO,ALTHOUGH HE SEEMED SO,

    I NEED A HELL OF A SPACE

    NOW SATAN NEVER BELIEVED THAT JESUS IS COMPLETELY CLEAR,THEREFORE INNOCENT!

    FOR THE SIMPLE REASON THAT JESUS IGNORED ALL SATAN'S RULES AND COMMANDMENTS OF THE WORLD IN ORDER TO BE BORN AS SON OF MAN

    ALTHOUGH GOD LOST BOTH ADAM(SOUL) AND EVE,(FLESH) THEREFORE TOTALLY AGAINST ALL ODDS.

    OBVIOUS THIS BECAUSE JESUS DID IT NOT FOR HIM BUT FOR LUCIFER TO BECOME MAN THROUGH THE SINFUL WAY,BUT STILL JESUS WON!!!

    I leave it to you to ask all questions, and through your questions I will supply all what the Holy Spirit would eventually
    enlighten me with!

    PLEASE REFLECT IN DEPT!

    Peace and love in Jesus

    Charles

    #340813
    Ed J
    Participant

    Hi Charles,

    Please read my posts on Pages “1” and “2” and I'll reread your posts,
    then I'll try to figure out what questions I should be asking you; OK?

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    #340814
    Ed J
    Participant

    Hi Charles,

    “At the mouth of three witnesses,
      shall the matter be established.” (Deut 19:15)

          These three points of focus “DO” establish the matter:

                       1. cast out of thy grave
                       2. like an abominable branch
                       3. thrust through with a sword

    Isa.14:19-20 But thou art cast out of thy grave like an abominable branch,
    and as the raiment of those that are slain, thrust through with a sword,
    that go down to the stones of the pit; as a carcase trodden under feet.
    20: Thou shalt not be joined with them in burial, because thou hast destroyed
    thy land, and slain thy people: the seed of evildoers shall never be renowned.


    All the fullness of the Godhead dwelt in [Jesus] bodily. (Col.2:9)
    Similarly, we are also a part of the body of Christ. (1Cor. 12:27)

    So we may then conclude that all of us, plus the fullness of the Godhead,
    are all part of the whole body of Christ. Did not GOD also create {Lucifer}
    and how is Lucifer connected to the body of Christ? Only in death was Lucifer
    connected to the body of Christ. The key is found in Isaiah 14:19: thou art cast
    out of thy grave
    like an abominable branch, and as the raiment of those that are slain,
    thrust through with a sword. Jesus is the only person (so far) whose body was cast out
    of the grave
    . His body was also thrust through with a spear. Jesus is furthermore called
    the branch
    in Zechariah 3:8. But the significant difference here is these things happened
    to Jesus’ body after He was (a corpse)dead; “the body of sin”.

    “Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed,
     that henceforth we should not serve sin. For he that is dead is freed from sin.” (Rom 6:6-7)

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    #346453
    carmel
    Participant

    Ed wrote:

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    Only in death was Lucifer
    connected to the body of Christ.

    Edj,

    LUCIFER NEVER HAD ANY KIND OF CONNECTION WITH THE SPIRIT, SOUL AND BODY OF CHRIST !

    FOR SURE!

    Hebrews 4:12For the word( JESUS ,THE TRIUNE GOD) of God is living and effectual, and MORE PIERCING than any two edged sword;

    So as the sword has two edges and they are not in CONNECTION with each other except at the point,in order to pierce,split and separate God’s word although without A POINT it is more piercing,splitting and separating:

    and reaching unto the DIVISION OF THE SOUL AND THE SPIRIT, OF THE JOINTS AND ALSO THE MARROW , and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

    So notwithstanding the fact that the Son’s spirit, the triune God, was and still is in Satan, there’s no connection at all, both as spirits, THE SON’S SPIRIT,THE TRIUNE GOD IN SATAN and SATAN IN JESUS’ SOUL;

    Also in  JESUS’ PURE flesh body, of the joints and marrow

    JESUS ALSO CONFIRMED THIS IN

    John 14:30 I will not now speak many things with you. For the prince of this world cometh, and  IN ME HE HATH NOT ANY THING

    SINCE SATAN IS THE SPIRIT OF DEATH, AND JESUS IS THE SPIRIT OF LIFE!

    ITS EITHER ONE OR THE OTHER!

    THE REASON THAT THEY WERE SUPPOSED, ENCOUNTERED EACH OTHER ON THE CROSS, BUT SATAN NEVER HAD THE LEAST CHANCE TO USE HIS ATTRIBUTES,SINCE HE DIDN'T HAVE ANY AT ALL,  NEVER MIND TAKE JESUS'SOUL TO HELL!

    SO JESUS CHRIST IS BOTH THE LORD OF LIFE AND DEATH, THROUGH HIS UNIQUE DEATH

    THE FATHER IS ONLY LIFE, SINCE HE COULDN'T DIE!

    Romans 14:9For to this end Christ died and rose again; that he might be Lord both of the dead and of the living

    Peace and love in Jesus

    Charles

    #346460
    Ed J
    Participant

    Quote (carmel @ June 05 2013,07:36)
    Edj,

    ITS EITHER ONE OR THE OTHER!

    Peace and love in Jesus
    Charles


    Hi Charles,

    In one simple sentence. what are these
    two choices you are talking about?
    Your post appears convoluted.

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    #346496
    carmel
    Participant

    Ed wrote:

    [/quote]

    Quote
    In one simple sentence. what are these
    two choices you are talking about?
    Your post appears convoluted.

    Edj,

    YOU SIMPLY SEEM RATHER INDUCED WITH :

    ITS EITHER ONE OR THE OTHER!

    AND EITHER I WASN'T QUITE SUFFICIENTLY CLEAR, OR YOU SIMPLY NEVER REFLECTED ON MY WORDS REGARDING

    LIFE AND DEATH

    SO THAT PART IT'S HERE AGAIN:

    SINCE SATAN IS

    THE SPIRIT OF DEATH, EVIL

    AND JESUS IS THE SPIRIT OF LIFE! GOOD

    ITS EITHER ONE OR THE OTHER!

    THE REASON THAT THEY WERE SUPPOSED, ENCOUNTERED EACH OTHER ON THE CROSS,

    TO DECIDE WHO WOULD DOMINATE BOTH

    SINCE GOD WAS NOT QUITE EVIDENT THAT HE WAS SO, HIDDEN WITHIN SATAN, IN ORDER TO BE THE EVIL, THE GOD OF THE WORLD!

    BUT SATAN NEVER HAD THE LEAST CHANCE TO USE HIS ATTRIBUTES,SINCE HE DIDN'T HAVE ANY AT ALL,  NEVER MIND TAKE JESUS'SOUL TO HELL!

    SO JESUS CHRIST NOW IS BOTH THE LORD OF LIFE AND DEATH, THROUGH HIS

    UNIQUE

    DEATH

    THE FATHER IS ONLY LIFE, SINCE HE COULDN'T DIE!

    THE REASON THAT SATAN OWNED DEATH, SINCE THERE WAS NO DEATH AT ALL BEFORE!

    Romans 14:9For to THIS  END Christ died

    TO DEMONSTRATE THAT HIS DEATH IS ALSO SUPERIOR TO HIS(SATAN'S)

    and rose again; that he might be Lord both of the dead and of the living

    Peace and love in Jesus

    Charles

    #346501
    Ed J
    Participant

    Quote (carmel @ June 05 2013,17:23)

    Quote (Ed J @ June 05 2013,10:04)
    In one simple sentence. what are these
    two choices you are talking about?
    Your post appears convoluted.


    Edj,

    SINCE SATAN IS

    THE SPIRIT OF DEATH, EVIL

    AND JESUS IS THE SPIRIT OF LIFE! GOOD

    ITS EITHER ONE OR THE OTHER!

    Peace and love in Jesus
    Charles


    Hi Charles,

    OK, thanks; much simpler!

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    #346525
    carmel
    Participant

    Edj,

    I wanted to add:

    notice:Romans 14:9For to THIS  END Christ died NOTICE THE EMPHASIS TO INDICATE A DIFFERENT DEATH TO OURS!

    TO DEMONSTRATE THAT HIS UNIQUE DEATH IS ALSO SUPERIOR TO SATAN'S!

    and rose again; NOT HE WAS RAISED AGAIN!

    SO JESUS DEATH WAS A PROCESS TO SPIRITUALIZE HIS BODY. SO HE WAS CONTINUING A PROCESS WHICH HE STARTED WHILE HE WAS ALIVE. THIS TO ASSERT THE ETERNAL LIFE, WITHOUT ANY KIND OF POSTPONMENT    SINCE THE MOMENT HE LEFT THE FATHER BEFORE THE WOLRD WAS WITHIN LUCIFER'S SPIRIT! LIGHT WITHIN DARKNESS
    SYMBOLICALLY WATER ( THE SON'S SPIRIT)AND BLOOD(LUCIFER'S SPIRIT) SO BOTH SPIRITS LEFT THE FATHER!

    1John 5:6This is he that came by water and blood, Jesus Christ: not by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit which testifieth, that Christ is the truth. NOTICE THE END OF THIS SCRIPTURE! CHRIST IS THE TRUTH BETWEEN THE TWO SPIRITS!

    THEREFORE, THE ENCOUNTER WAS NOT BETWEEN GOD THE FATHER AND SATAN!  SATAN ALWAYS ACCEPTED GOD'S  ABSOLUTE SUPERIORITY!

    BUT BETWEEN SATAN, AS EVIL SPIRIT, AND THE NEW DIVINE MAN AS GOOD SPIRIT

    TO CONFIRM WHO IS SUPERIOR, AND ESTABLISH WHO WOULD OWN THE UNIQUE BODY OF BOTH  SPIRIT AND FLESH FOR ETERNITY

    THIS WAS AND STILL IS THE FOCAL POINT OF OUR CREATION!

    Pace and love in Jesus
    Charles

    #347834
    Ed J
    Participant

    Quote (carmel @ April 03 2013,17:55)
    Edj,

    REGARDING THE ABOVE, IT WOULD BE INTERESTING IF YOU WERE TO DISCERN:

    Lucifer opted to be the direct contender for the achievement of humanity. Therefore a negative God and be like the Most High.

    Peace and love in Jesus
    Charles


    Hi Charles,

    Do you believe in Gnosticism?

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    #348061
    carmel
    Participant

    Ed wrote:

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    Do you believe in Gnosticism?

    Edj,

    NO!  DO YOU?

    ALTHOUGH IT IS VERY CLOSE!

    I DO NOT BELIEVE IN ITS FUNDAMENTALS!

    IF YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN!

    I read THE GOSPEL OF THOMAS AND STILL NOW AND THEN REFLECT ON CERTAIN PARTS!

    Peace and love in Jesus

    #779514
    Ed J
    Participant

    Hi Charles,
    You would be more convincing if you found scriptural witnesses to your ideas.

    Hi Nick,

    That’s what I have been giving you, but you reject that as well. You saying
    that the words don’t match exactly is just your excuse to reject what is written.

    ___________
    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org _________________________________________________________________________________________________________
    ”Call unto me, and I will answer thee, and show thee great and mighty things, which thou knowest not.” – JEHOVAH GOD

    #779516
    Ed J
    Participant

    Hi ED,
    You say
    “Jesus witness for the father, and the father witnesses for Jesus; and
    “I”(Ed) witness for them both! I would hardly call this no witnesses!”

    (1)But who are you?
    (2)When were you reborn of water (3)and the Spirit?

    Hi Nick,

    1) Ed (Joshua 22:34)
    2) 1958
    3) 1973

    ___________
    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org _________________________________________________________________________________________________________
    ”Call unto me, and I will answer thee, and show thee great and mighty things, which thou knowest not.” – JEHOVAH GOD

    #779519
    Ed J
    Participant

    EDJ.

    If lucifer is the son of perdition,what does that say of God?
    If I am the son of an evil man, what does that say about my father?

    wakeup.

    Hi Wakeup,

    “The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father,
    neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son” (Ezek 18:20)

    ___________
    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org _________________________________________________________________________________________________________
    ”Call unto me, and I will answer thee, and show thee great and mighty things, which thou knowest not.” – JEHOVAH GOD

    #779522
    Ed J
    Participant

    Hi Nick,

    If you don’t understand the symbology of God’s words,
    how can you ever hope to understand what he is saying?

    ___________
    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org _________________________________________________________________________________________________________
    ”Call unto me, and I will answer thee, and show thee great and mighty things, which thou knowest not.” – JEHOVAH GOD

    #779523
    Wakeup
    Participant

    Edj.

    I can not accept that.
    Adam and Eve sinned,and all humanity have to bear the sin.
    No one is born without sin, except one. The Son of God.
    Lucifer is created by God, therefore a son of God.
    And God is not perdition. So how can lucifer be the son of perdition?
    Lucifer is damnation and the father of the son of perdition.

    Shalom.
    wakeup.

    #779525
    Ed J
    Participant

    Edj.

    I can not accept that.
    Adam and Eve sinned,and all humanity have to bear the sin.
    No one is born without sin, except one. The Son of God.
    Lucifer is created by God, therefore a son of God.
    And God is not perdition. So how can lucifer be the son of perdition?
    Lucifer is damnation and the father of the son of perdition.

    Shalom.
    wakeup.

    Hi Wakeup,

    Are you suggesting that you have no sin to which you have suffered from? …only Adam’s?

    ___________
    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org _________________________________________________________________________________________________________
    ”Call unto me, and I will answer thee, and show thee great and mighty things, which thou knowest not.” – JEHOVAH GOD

    #779531
    Wakeup
    Participant

    EDJ.

    Because of Adam and Eve,we have seperated from God.
    Each have taken control of self,and therefore fallen into sin after sin.
    Christ came to bring us back to God through his Word.
    No one can come to the Father but by his Word, which was also Jesus in the flesh.
    Now in print.However His spirit is in it.

    Shalom.
    wakeup.

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