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Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 21 2012,13:14) Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 20 2012,19:11) It is clearly explained, no need to read into the text as you suggest doing with John 1:1.
(A)So you are saying that if Paul didn't add the “disclaimer”, YOU would have been one of the nutjobs thinking that God WAS included as one of the “all things” under Jesus' feet?
(B)Are you saying that without Paul's disclaimer, your own brain wouldn't have been able to figure out that the One who put all things under Jesus is not included as one of the things under him?
Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 20 2012,19:11) (C)The bible says that all things came from God's word.
Actually, the Bible says that all things came THROUGH:
1. The Word of God
2. Our Lord Jesus Christ
3. The Son of GodWhy is that Ed? Because they are all the same person.
Hi Mike,A) Your comparing apples with oranges.
B) If all things came “through” Jesus;
did Jesus come through himself? …if not, why not?
How do you disassociate him form this?C) All things were “made by” [The Word]; and without [The Word] was not any thing made that was made. (John 1:3)
Through faith we understand that the worlds were “framed by” [The Word] of God, (Heb.11:3) (Link)1) Nope.
2) Yep.
3) Where?God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ Jan. 28 2012,07:00) A) Your comparing apples with oranges.
That is a diversion, Ed. Answer the question.Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 28 2012,07:00) B) If all things came “through” Jesus;
did Jesus come through himself? …if not, why not?
How do you disassociate him form this?
And all things came FROM God – how did God come FROM HIMSELF?Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 28 2012,07:00) 1) Nope.
2) Yep.
3) Where?
1. Incorrect answer.
2. Correct answer.
3. Hebrews 1:2 and Colossians 1:13-16Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 29 2012,00:14) Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 28 2012,07:00) A) Your comparing apples with oranges.
That is a diversion, Ed. Answer the question.Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 28 2012,07:00) B) If all things came “through” Jesus;
did Jesus come through himself? …if not, why not?
How do you disassociate him form this?
And all things came FROM God – how did God come FROM HIMSELF?Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 28 2012,07:00) 1) Nope.
2) Yep.
3) Where?
1. Incorrect answer.
2. Correct answer.
3. (a.)Hebrews 1:2 and (b.)Colossians 1:13-16
Hi Mike,A) Of course not.
B) That is a diversion, Mike. Answer the question.
1) Here are the verses you are disputing with…
All things were “made by” [The Word]; and without [The Word] was not any thing made that was made. (John 1:3)
Through faith we understand that the worlds were “framed by” [The Word] of God, (Heb.11:3) (Link)3) a. The wording is not exactly like you said,
but I agree with the essence of what you say here.
b. Col.1:16 is referring to the father, not the son.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgEd,
Where do you come up with your scriptural understandings?
You are the only one in the world (I think) that doesn't recognize the Word of God in Rev 19:13 as Jesus. And now you think that in Col 1:15, the Father is the one who is the image of the invisible God?
You're too much sometimes, and that's why I refuse to discuss many things with you. You are truly sometimes the kid who insists the sky is green and the grass is blue.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 29 2012,01:08) Ed, Where do you come up with your scriptural understandings?
You are the only one in the world (I think) that doesn't recognize the Word of God in Rev 19:13 as Jesus. And now you think that in Col 1:15, the Father is the one who is the image of the invisible God?
You're too much sometimes, and that's why I refuse to discuss many things with you. You are truly sometimes the kid who insists the sky is green and the grass is blue.
Hi Mike,From over 40 years of study with the guidance of the HolySpirit.
The bible never contradicts itself. People will ignore verses when
they are stuck believing what the systems of religion have taught.Try to stay focused Mike; I said Col.1:16, NOT 1:15?
Comprehend what you read, in Scriptures and in posts!God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgYes Ed,
I know that you meant verse 16, as if the subject of the sentence changed from verse 15 to verse 16.
You do the same thing with John 1:14-15. Why do you keep thinking the subject of the sentence is changing when there is no grammatical or scriptural reason to think so?
So don't put YOUR inability to understand simple sentences on me not comprehending.
Hi Mike,
You are entitled to YOUR opinion.
Whenever you want me to explain
why I have come to the conclusions
I have, all you have to do is ask; OK?God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgNo thanks, Ed. I'm good just understanding basic grammatical rules, such as believing the writer is talking about the same subject until there is a good reason to assume he has switched subjects.
There is no such reason in Col 1:15-16, nor in John 1:14-15.
Does @edj still hold the views he expressed about Jesus in this topic?
Does @EdJ still hold the views he expressed about Jesus in this topic?
Hi T8,
I would assume so. I don’t change my belief until I believe it’s proven faulty
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God bless
Ed JEdj
All things came through the Logos and Son of God. This means the son of God is not derived from the Word or the son of God, but came directly from God as the only begotten. This is why he is the image of the invisible God and God is his head, whereas for us, our head is Christ. And by inheritance we can become sons sharing in this divine nature.
Hi T8,
Why can’t you believe all things were created through Jesus’ future crucifixion?
You instead make Jesus out to be co-Creator – going against verses like…“O LORD of hosts, God of Israel,
that dwellest between the cherubims, thou art the God, even
thou alone, of all the kingdoms of the earth: thou
hast made heaven and earth.” (Isaiah 37:16)“I the LORD that maketh all things;
that stretcheth forth the heavens alone;
that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;” (Isaiah 44:24)It requires mental gymnastics to claim these verses are correct and still hold to your views.
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God bless
Ed JHe is between creator and creation. He is the mediator. All things were created through him and for him. He is also the only way by which God can redeem the fallen creation. He has first place and is the image, glory, and representation of the invisible God. Believing in the son of God includes believing who he is.
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