Is this proof that Jesus IS the Word?

[Wakeup]

Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 12 2012,01:50)

wakeup Quote Mikeb. yes,God was there with his word,from everlasting. But John says, in the beginning was the word. We can not say in the beginning was God. The word was God yes;why then cant we say in the beginning was God? You have to pray and ask God to reveal this great mystery to you.I can not do that. Luke 10:22. no man knows the father but the son,and no man knows the son but the father; and HE whom the son will reveal him. greetings to you. wakeup. you should read the scriptures more carefully ; JN 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. JN 1:2 He was in the beginning with God. JN 1:3 All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being. JN 1:4 In Him was life, and the life was the Light of men. JN 1:5 The Light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend it. why does it start by saying “in the beginning was the word”?? was it because it wanted to pointing out that there was a beginning at one point ?if this is YES then that wen the “WORD” starts,right ? Yes in verse 2; it says “He was in the beginning with God.”would this mean that before the beginning he was not with God (GOD AS NO BEGINNING SO WE DO NOT TALK ABOUT GOD)yes IN VERSE 3;”All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being.”now the HIM is THE WORD right ? YES,so it says that all things came to be THROUGH HIM AND NOTHING CAME TO BE WITHOUT HIM,so now we can see that the first in creation is THE WORD  and all other things are second right ??YES verse 4;”JN 1:4 In Him was life, and the life was the Light of men.”who is John talking about ? JESUS CHRIST THE SON OF GOD right ? YES verse 5;”JN 1:5 The Light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend it.”well by now we have learn that THE WORD OF GOD is THE FIRST CREATION THAT WAS IN THE BEGINNING WITH GOD AND THAT HE IS NOT GOD BUT THE ONLY SON CREATED BY GOD HIMSELF BECAUSE ALL OTHER THINGS HAVE BEEN CREATED THROUGH HIM,AND THAT HE CAME DOWN FROM HEAVEN TO SAVE MEN HIS NAME JESUS CHRIST ,HE IS THE “THE WORD OF GOD, Pierre

Pierre.

You make it so complicated.
Was there a time when God started creating? yes; all creatures had a beginning.
The word of God is always inside God from everlasting.
Then God speaks; and the angels were created.(in the beginning) the beginning of God speaking.
Can you see it now?

wakeup.

[terraricca]

Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 13 2012,04:41)

Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 12 2012,01:50) wakeup Quote Mikeb. yes,God was there with his word,from everlasting. But John says, in the beginning was the word. We can not say in the beginning was God. The word was God yes;why then cant we say in the beginning was God? You have to pray and ask God to reveal this great mystery to you.I can not do that. Luke 10:22. no man knows the father but the son,and no man knows the son but the father; and HE whom the son will reveal him. greetings to you. wakeup. you should read the scriptures more carefully ; JN 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. JN 1:2 He was in the beginning with God. JN 1:3 All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being. JN 1:4 In Him was life, and the life was the Light of men. JN 1:5 The Light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend it. why does it start by saying “in the beginning was the word”?? was it because it wanted to pointing out that there was a beginning at one point ?if this is YES then that wen the “WORD” starts,right ? Yes in verse 2; it says “He was in the beginning with God.”would this mean that before the beginning he was not with God (GOD AS NO BEGINNING SO WE DO NOT TALK ABOUT GOD)yes IN VERSE 3;”All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being.”now the HIM is THE WORD right ? YES,so it says that all things came to be THROUGH HIM AND NOTHING CAME TO BE WITHOUT HIM,so now we can see that the first in creation is THE WORD  and all other things are second right ??YES verse 4;”JN 1:4 In Him was life, and the life was the Light of men.”who is John talking about ? JESUS CHRIST THE SON OF GOD right ? YES verse 5;”JN 1:5 The Light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend it.”well by now we have learn that THE WORD OF GOD is THE FIRST CREATION THAT WAS IN THE BEGINNING WITH GOD AND THAT HE IS NOT GOD BUT THE ONLY SON CREATED BY GOD HIMSELF BECAUSE ALL OTHER THINGS HAVE BEEN CREATED THROUGH HIM,AND THAT HE CAME DOWN FROM HEAVEN TO SAVE MEN HIS NAME JESUS CHRIST ,HE IS THE “THE WORD OF GOD, Pierre Pierre. You make it so complicated. Was there a time when God started creating? yes; all creatures had a beginning. The word of God is always inside God from everlasting. Then God speaks; and the angels were created.(in the beginning) the beginning of God speaking. Can you see it now? wakeup.

wakeup

so God speaks in John 1;1 ,and says in the beginning was MY WORDS,and MY WORDS WERE WITH ME IN THE BEGINNING,and go on saying AND MY WORDS WAS ME :GOD”

and ALL THINGS WERE MADE THROUGH MY WORDS AND APART OF MY WORDS NOTHING CAME TO BE,

AND MY WORDS WAS LIFE AND THAT LIFE (WORDS)WAS THE LIGHT OF MEN

AND THE LIGHT (MY WORDS)SHINES IN THE DARKNESS AND THE DARKNESS DID NOT COMPREHEND (IT) MY WORDS

AND MY WORDS WALKED AMONG MEN ……….AND SO ON

is this your version that you teach ??

this is what i understand you are saying and is not what scriptures are saying .

Pierre

[Wakeup]

Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 12 2012,23:31)

Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 13 2012,04:41) Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 12 2012,01:50) wakeup Quote Mikeb. yes,God was there with his word,from everlasting. But John says, in the beginning was the word. We can not say in the beginning was God. The word was God yes;why then cant we say in the beginning was God? You have to pray and ask God to reveal this great mystery to you.I can not do that. Luke 10:22. no man knows the father but the son,and no man knows the son but the father; and HE whom the son will reveal him. greetings to you. wakeup. you should read the scriptures more carefully ; JN 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. JN 1:2 He was in the beginning with God. JN 1:3 All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being. JN 1:4 In Him was life, and the life was the Light of men. JN 1:5 The Light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend it. why does it start by saying “in the beginning was the word”?? was it because it wanted to pointing out that there was a beginning at one point ?if this is YES then that wen the “WORD” starts,right ? Yes in verse 2; it says “He was in the beginning with God.”would this mean that before the beginning he was not with God (GOD AS NO BEGINNING SO WE DO NOT TALK ABOUT GOD)yes IN VERSE 3;”All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being.”now the HIM is THE WORD right ? YES,so it says that all things came to be THROUGH HIM AND NOTHING CAME TO BE WITHOUT HIM,so now we can see that the first in creation is THE WORD  and all other things are second right ??YES verse 4;”JN 1:4 In Him was life, and the life was the Light of men.”who is John talking about ? JESUS CHRIST THE SON OF GOD right ? YES verse 5;”JN 1:5 The Light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend it.”well by now we have learn that THE WORD OF GOD is THE FIRST CREATION THAT WAS IN THE BEGINNING WITH GOD AND THAT HE IS NOT GOD BUT THE ONLY SON CREATED BY GOD HIMSELF BECAUSE ALL OTHER THINGS HAVE BEEN CREATED THROUGH HIM,AND THAT HE CAME DOWN FROM HEAVEN TO SAVE MEN HIS NAME JESUS CHRIST ,HE IS THE “THE WORD OF GOD, Pierre Pierre. You make it so complicated. Was there a time when God started creating? yes; all creatures had a beginning. The word of God is always inside God from everlasting. Then God speaks; and the angels were created.(in the beginning) the beginning of God speaking. Can you see it now? wakeup. wakeup so God speaks in John 1;1 ,and says in the beginning was MY WORDS,and MY WORDS WERE WITH ME IN THE BEGINNING,and go on saying AND MY WORDS WAS ME :GOD” and ALL THINGS WERE MADE THROUGH MY WORDS AND APART OF MY WORDS NOTHING CAME TO BE, AND MY WORDS WAS LIFE AND THAT LIFE (WORDS)WAS THE LIGHT OF MEN AND THE LIGHT (MY WORDS)SHINES IN THE DARKNESS AND THE DARKNESS DID NOT COMPREHEND (IT) MY WORDS AND MY WORDS WALKED AMONG MEN ……….AND SO ON is this your version that you teach ?? this is what i understand you are saying and is not what scriptures are saying . Pierre

Pierre.

A little rough, but yes,the holy bible is also his word.

Was there a time when his word started creating or not.?

wakeup.

[Wakeup]

So the word is the first creation: is that what you are saying?

[Ed J]

Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 11 2012,14:30)

Hi Wake-up, You need to understand verses correctly. The words “OUT OF” are not there! “for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.” (John 8:42) God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Hi Wake-up,

Do you see the word “INSIDE” there?
Why do you keep using this word?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[mikeboll64]

Hi Wakeup,

5 And now, Father, glorify me in your presence with the glory I had with you before the world began.

WHO (specifically, by name) said the above words?

[terraricca]

Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 13 2012,07:29)

Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 12 2012,23:31) Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 13 2012,04:41) Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 12 2012,01:50) wakeup Quote Mikeb. yes,God was there with his word,from everlasting. But John says, in the beginning was the word. We can not say in the beginning was God. The word was God yes;why then cant we say in the beginning was God? You have to pray and ask God to reveal this great mystery to you.I can not do that. Luke 10:22. no man knows the father but the son,and no man knows the son but the father; and HE whom the son will reveal him. greetings to you. wakeup. you should read the scriptures more carefully ; JN 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. JN 1:2 He was in the beginning with God. JN 1:3 All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being. JN 1:4 In Him was life, and the life was the Light of men. JN 1:5 The Light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend it. why does it start by saying “in the beginning was the word”?? was it because it wanted to pointing out that there was a beginning at one point ?if this is YES then that wen the “WORD” starts,right ? Yes in verse 2; it says “He was in the beginning with God.”would this mean that before the beginning he was not with God (GOD AS NO BEGINNING SO WE DO NOT TALK ABOUT GOD)yes IN VERSE 3;”All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being.”now the HIM is THE WORD right ? YES,so it says that all things came to be THROUGH HIM AND NOTHING CAME TO BE WITHOUT HIM,so now we can see that the first in creation is THE WORD  and all other things are second right ??YES verse 4;”JN 1:4 In Him was life, and the life was the Light of men.”who is John talking about ? JESUS CHRIST THE SON OF GOD right ? YES verse 5;”JN 1:5 The Light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend it.”well by now we have learn that THE WORD OF GOD is THE FIRST CREATION THAT WAS IN THE BEGINNING WITH GOD AND THAT HE IS NOT GOD BUT THE ONLY SON CREATED BY GOD HIMSELF BECAUSE ALL OTHER THINGS HAVE BEEN CREATED THROUGH HIM,AND THAT HE CAME DOWN FROM HEAVEN TO SAVE MEN HIS NAME JESUS CHRIST ,HE IS THE “THE WORD OF GOD, Pierre Pierre. You make it so complicated. Was there a time when God started creating? yes; all creatures had a beginning. The word of God is always inside God from everlasting. Then God speaks; and the angels were created.(in the beginning) the beginning of God speaking. Can you see it now? wakeup. wakeup so God speaks in John 1;1 ,and says in the beginning was MY WORDS,and MY WORDS WERE WITH ME IN THE BEGINNING,and go on saying AND MY WORDS WAS ME :GOD” and ALL THINGS WERE MADE THROUGH MY WORDS AND APART OF MY WORDS NOTHING CAME TO BE, AND MY WORDS WAS LIFE AND THAT LIFE (WORDS)WAS THE LIGHT OF MEN AND THE LIGHT (MY WORDS)SHINES IN THE DARKNESS AND THE DARKNESS DID NOT COMPREHEND (IT) MY WORDS AND MY WORDS WALKED AMONG MEN ……….AND SO ON is this your version that you teach ?? this is what i understand you are saying and is not what scriptures are saying . Pierre Pierre. A little rough, but yes,the holy bible is also his word. Was there a time when his word started creating or not.? wakeup.

Wake up

I did not know that our heaven father was impaired ,by not be able to talk ,or hear,or think,or feel,

If he ad to create his own speech of words,he most have also create all other sense that he says he possess ,right?

This is what you believe ,I do not,

Pierre

[mikeboll64]

Wakeup?

[terraricca]

wakeup ?

[Ed J]

Wake-up?

[terraricca]

Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 13 2012,07:31)

So the word is the first creation: is that what you are saying?

wakeup

YES THAT IS WHAT SCRIPTURES TELLS US,i mean THE WORD OF GOD (JOHN 1;1-1;14–REV19)

Pierre

[Ed J]

Hi Pierre,

Are you suggesting that Jesus made himself?
John 1:3 All things were made by him(the HolySpirit);
and without him was not any thing made that was made.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[mikeboll64]

Hi Ed,

We are many times called upon to use our God-given common sense in scripture. Consider this:

1 Cor 15:27
27 For “He has put all things under His feet.”

Wouldn't that mean that God Himself is also under Jesus' feet?

[terraricca]

Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 21 2012,16:44)

Hi Pierre, Are you suggesting that Jesus made himself? John 1:3 All things were made by him(the HolySpirit); and without him was not any thing made that was made. God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

edj

you and your dogmas of believes ,it is so fare from truth that I do not listen any more

Pierre

[Ed J]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 21 2012,09:56)

Hi Ed, We are many times called upon to use our God-given common sense in scripture.  Consider this: 1 Cor 15:27 27 For “He has put all things under His feet.” Wouldn't that mean that God Himself is also under Jesus' feet?

Hi Mike,

Read the verse you posted again: He is YHVH and him is Jesus Christ! Scripture explains Scripture, not YOUR rudimentary logic.

Eph.1:17-23 That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the [HolySpirit] of wisdom(see Prob.8)
and revelation in the knowledge of him: 18 The eyes of your understanding being enlightened(1John 1:5); that ye may know
what is the hope of his calling, and what the riches of the glory of his inheritance in the saints,
19 And what is the exceeding greatness of his power to us-ward who believe, according to the working of his mighty power,
20 Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places,
21 Far above all principality, and power, and might, and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this world,
but also in that which is to come: 22 And (YHVH) hath put all things under his(Jesus') feet, and gave him to be
the head over all things to the church, 23 Which is his body, the fulness of him that filleth all in all.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Ed J]

Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 21 2012,10:00)

Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 21 2012,16:44) Hi Pierre, Are you suggesting that Jesus made himself? John 1:3 All things were made by him(the HolySpirit); and without him was not any thing made that was made. God bless Ed J edj you and your dogmas of believes ,it is so fare from truth that I do not listen any more Pierre

Hi Pierre,

Heb 5:11 Of whom we have many things to say, and hard to be uttered, seeing ye are dull of hearing.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 20 2012,17:12)

Read the verse you posted again: He is YHVH and him is Jesus Christ!

That's right Ed.  And because the “He” is Jehovah, and the “his feet” belong to Jesus, then COMMON SENSE tells us that “all things” wouldn't include the God who put those things at Jesus' feet in the first place, right?

In fact, just in case there were any nutjobs out there thinking that God was one of the “all things” that was under Jesus' feet, Paul added the second part of the verse explaining that it doesn't include God Himself.

What I'm asking you to do is use that same God-given logic that made you understand that “all things” in 1 Cor 15:27 meant “all things EXCEPT for God”.

Use that same logic in John 1:3, Ed.  If “all things” came through Jesus, and Jesus is called God's firstborn son, the beginning of the creation by God, and the firstborn of every creature, then OBVIOUSLY John meant that AFTER God created Jesus FIRST, all OTHER things came into being through him.

[terraricca]

Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 21 2012,17:19)

Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 21 2012,10:00) Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 21 2012,16:44) Hi Pierre, Are you suggesting that Jesus made himself? John 1:3 All things were made by him(the HolySpirit); and without him was not any thing made that was made. God bless Ed J edj you and your dogmas of believes ,it is so fare from truth that I do not listen any more Pierre Hi Pierre, Heb 5:11 Of whom we have many things to say, and hard to be uttered, seeing ye are dull of hearing. God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

edj

some most have said that to Paul as well ,because some even did not let him enter or talk to the congregation

[Ed J]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 21 2012,10:25)

Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 20 2012,17:12) Read the verse you posted again: He is YHVH and him is Jesus Christ! (1)That's right Ed.  And because the “He” is Jehovah, and the “his feet” belong to Jesus, then COMMON SENSE tells us that “all things” wouldn't include the God who put those things at Jesus' feet in the first place, right? (2)In fact, just in case there were any nutjobs out there thinking that God was one of the “all things” that was under Jesus' feet, Paul added the second part of the verse explaining that it doesn't include God Himself. (3)What I'm asking you to do is use that same God-given logic that made you understand that “all things” in 1 Cor 15:27 meant “all things EXCEPT for God”. (4)Use that same logic in John 1:3, Ed.  If “all things” came through Jesus, and Jesus is called God's firstborn son, the beginning of the creation by God, and the firstborn of every creature, then OBVIOUSLY John meant that AFTER God created Jesus FIRST, all OTHER things came into being through him.

Hi Mike,

1) That has nothing to do with common scene,
    and everything to do with what the text is saying.

2) My point exactly! Let Scripture explain Scripture.

3) It is clearly explained, no need to read into the text
    as you suggest doing with John 1:1.

4) The bible says that all things came from God's word.
    Heb 11:3 Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God,
    so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.
    Since Jesus has appeared, that disqualifies him as “The Word” .

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 20 2012,19:11)

It is clearly explained, no need to read into the text as you suggest doing with John 1:1.

So you are saying that if Paul didn't add the “disclaimer”, YOU would have been one of the nutjobs thinking that God WAS included as one of the “all things” under Jesus' feet?  

Are you saying that without Paul's disclaimer, your own brain wouldn't have been able to figure out that the One who put all things under Jesus is not included as one of the things under him?

Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 20 2012,19:11)

The bible says that all things came from God's word.

Actually, the Bible says that all things came THROUGH:
1.  The Word of God
2.  Our Lord Jesus Christ
3.  The Son of God

Why is that Ed?  Because they are all the same person.

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