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Hi All,
John 1:3
Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made.This verse speaks of the Word mentioned in John 1:1. Through the Word, ALL THINGS were made, and without the Word, NOTHING was made.
Hebrews 1:2
but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom he made the universe.The word translated as “universe” is really the Greek word “aeon”, which means the “ages”. But the word is definitely PLURAL, and therefore refers to MORE THAN ONE age. So at the very least, God has created MORE THAN ONE age THROUGH His Son, right?
Colossians 1
13 For he has rescued us from the dominion of darkness and brought us into the kingdom of the Son he loves, 14 in whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins. 15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. 16 For through him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things were created through him and for him.I started at verse 13, just so we are all clear that it is God's Son who is being described in the next verses. But we want to focus our attention on verse 16. Verse 16 tells us exactly WHAT was created through God's Son. It tells us that ALL THINGS were created through God's Son. It goes on to emphasize that this “ALL THINGS” includes the things in heaven, the things on earth, visible things, invisible things, etc. And then after the emphasis, as if to drive the point home, Paul REPEATS the words “ALL THINGS” once more.
1 Corinthians 8:6
yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live.This scripture speaks of our Lord, Jesus Christ. And it tells us once again that ALL THINGS came THROUGH him.
To sum up:
1. ALL things were made through the Word, and without HIM, nothing at all was made. (John 1:3)
2. The ages were made through God's Son. (Hebrews 1:2)
3. ALL things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, were created through God's Son. (Colossians 1:16)
4. ALL things came through our Lord, Jesus Christ. (1 Corinthians 8:6)
I see this as undeniable proof that the Word IS God's Son, who IS our Lord, Jesus Christ – through whom ALL THINGS were created.
peace,
mikeHi Mike,
John 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him
was not any thing made that was made. (John 1:3)
Compare this verse with Isaiah 37:16 & 44:24.To you, is Jesus one of the gods mentioned in Jeremiah 10:11-12?…
But the LORD is the true God, he is the living God, and an everlasting king: at his wrath the earth
shall tremble, and the nations shall not be able to abide his indignation. Thus shall ye say unto them,
The gods that have not made the heavens and the earth,even they shall perish from the earth,
and from under these heavens. He hath made the earth by his power, he hath established
the world by his wisdom, and hath stretched out the heavens by his discretion.
When he uttereth his voice, there is a multitude of waters in the heavens,
and he causeth the vapours to ascend from the ends of the earth;
he maketh lightnings with rain, and bringeth forth the wind out of his treasures.
Every man is brutish in his knowledge: every founder is confounded by the graven image:
for his molten image is falsehood, and there is no breath in them. They are vanity, and the work of errors:
in the time of their visitation they shall perish. The portion of Jacob is not like them: for he is the former of all things;
and Israel is the rod of his inheritance: The LORD of hosts(151) is his name. (Jer.10:10-16)Mike? …Or do you consider these verses to be wrong?…
Isaiah 37:16 O LORD of hosts, God of Israel, that dwellest between the cherubims, thou art the God,
even thou alone, of all the kingdoms of the earth: thou hast made heaven and earth.Isaiah 44:24 Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb,
[I the LORD GOD(117)] that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone;
that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 29 2011,06:15) Ed?
Mike?John 1:3 was your first point; was it not?
I will pick apart your post, one point at a time.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ Aug. 28 2011,14:30) To you, is Jesus one of the gods mentioned in Jeremiah 10:11-12?… Mike? …Or do you consider these verses to be wrong?…
Hi Ed,Jeremiah speaks of idols who did not create the earth. Jesus is not an idol, so “NO”, Jesus is NOT one of the gods mentioned in Jer 10.
Nor do I consider those verses to be wrong.
We have had this discussion before, and this thread is not the place for it. Please comment on the subject of my OP only. Is is true that scriptures say all things came through the Word, the Son of God, AND our Lord Jesus Christ or not?
peace,
mikeQuote (Ed J @ Aug. 28 2011,14:32) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 29 2011,06:15) Ed?
Mike?John 1:3 was your first point; was it not?
I will pick apart your post, one point at a time.God bless
Ed J
Fantastic! I can't wait.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 29 2011,07:41) Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 28 2011,14:32) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 29 2011,06:15) Ed?
Mike?John 1:3 was your first point; was it not?
I will pick apart your post, one point at a time.God bless
Ed J
Fantastic! I can't wait.
Hi Mike,I have already illustrated that John 1:3 could not be referring to Jesus,
based on Isaiah 37:16 and Isaiah 44:24: which you agree are true!God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgHi Ed,
The only point I'm making about John 1:3 with this thread is that all things were created through the Word. Do we agree on this?
Hi Mike,
You CANNOT discount both Isaiah 37:16 & Isaiah 44:24,
based on what the systems of religion have taught you!God “SPOKE” all things into existence,
therefore “The Word” (meaning God's word),
created all things; and without him, “The Word”,
was not anything made that was made.
(See Isaiah 37:16 & Isaiah 44:24)God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgHi Mike,
All things were created BY “The Word” of God ALONE, because of (or through) Jesus death on the cross; do you agree?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgHi T8,
I agree. And I'm glad I'm still part of this forum.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ Aug. 28 2011,19:57) Hi Mike, All things were created BY “The Word” of God ALONE, because of (or through) Jesus death on the cross; do you agree?
God bless
Ed J
No Ed, I don't agree. Many things were created way before Jesus died on a stake.So, do we agree that all things were created through the Word of God or not?
peace,
mikeQuote (t8 @ Aug. 28 2011,20:13) This is an interesting discussion. Thanks for setting that one up Mike.
Yeah, I stole the premise from a post you made, but don't tell anyone, okay?Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 29 2011,14:02) Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 28 2011,19:57) Hi Mike, All things were created BY “The Word” of God ALONE, because of (or through) Jesus death on the cross; do you agree?
God bless
Ed J
No Ed, I don't agree. Many things were created way before Jesus died on a stake.So, do we agree that all things were created through the Word of God or not?
peace,
mike
Hi Mike,I will be going into this more with the next verse you posted; please be patient.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgSo Ed, do we agree that all things were created through the Word of God or not?
(Note, the question has nothing at all to do with “glory” of anyone.)
Hi Mike,
We are discussing who “The Word” is, correct?
Why have you squelched truth, by deleting two posts of mine?
Posts that helps me to conclusively prove to all who “The Word” really is?God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
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