Is the word of god the holy spirit?

[NickHassan]

Hi MB,
Heb 12.9
1cor 12.4f

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 14 2010,09:15)

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 14 2010,08:56) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 14 2010,06:02) Animals have spirits too[eccl 3] -do you say the same about them? Hi Nick, Absolutely.  Even if you break it down into spirit of life, spirit of love, spirit of joy, spirit of Christ, spirit of man, spirit of animals, etc., it has as it's source God. peace and love, mike Hi MB, Nobody questions that the Father of spirits is the source of spirits. But those spirits are not His Spirit.

Hi Nick,

Read my signature. Everything belongs to Him. How can you say those spirits are not His Spirit? The Scriptures you gave don't say that.

peace and love,
mike

[GeneBalthrop]

Nick………If GOD is not the source of those Spirits then where did they come from. Did they just appear on there own out of nowhere. As i said you do not understand what Spirit (IS) Yet , it (IS) the life source (IN) the Being His intellects which enlightens him and is given from ONLY ONE GOD. This is the creating source of all life. God is what life IS, He is the giver and sustainer of (ALL) Life. He is also the creator of (ALL) Knowledge both of Good and Evil. He enlightens every man coming into the world with what the comprehensions they posses.

[GeneBalthrop]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 14 2010,09:00)

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Mar. 14 2010,05:52) Mikeboll………NO it is NOT, we have LIBERTY in this nation to do what we desire as long as it is not against our laws. If i say to my grand sons you can do what ever you WILL to do inside the back yard , they can, because i have given them (liberty) to, but as to what they (WILL) to do is a whole different subject. Hi Gene, Sounds to me like if you give your grandkids “liberty” to do what they will, you gave them “free will”.  What they actually will to do in either case, is up to them. peace and love, mike

Mikeboll………..> No i gave them (LIBERTY) to exercise their WILLS that are in them, These Will are controlling them and cause them to do what they are doing, those wills (IN) them are a result of their thinking at work in them, So they are held captive by those thopughts. It is the same with all men they are (NOT) FREE WILLED, they are given LIBERTY to exercise their (captivated) WILLS . That is what is meant by He came to set the (captives) Free. We are all held captive by our Wills or better, what is controlling our wills. Jesus Showed us that we need to put our WILL to DEATH as He did HIS WILL, But this can only be achieved by GOD HOLY SPIRIT being in US as it was in HIM. “Who so ever will save his life will lose it and whosoever will lose (his) life for the kingdom of GOD sake, shall save it. We all need to die to ourselves which is expressed by our wills. Paul said

Rom 7:18 …> For I know that in me (that is in my flesh), dwells no good thing: Why” for or because to WILL is Present with Me; but how to perform that which is good I (FIND NOT)> Think about it Mikeboll

peace and love to you and yours……………….gene

[terraricca]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Mar. 14 2010,10:12)

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 14 2010,09:00) Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Mar. 14 2010,05:52) Mikeboll………NO it is NOT, we have LIBERTY in this nation to do what we desire as long as it is not against our laws. If i say to my grand sons you can do what ever you WILL to do inside the back yard , they can, because i have given them (liberty) to, but as to what they (WILL) to do is a whole different subject. Hi Gene, Sounds to me like if you give your grandkids “liberty” to do what they will, you gave them “free will”.  What they actually will to do in either case, is up to them. peace and love, mike Mikeboll………..> No i gave them (LIBERTY) to exercise their WILLS that are in them, These Will are controlling them and cause them to do what they are doing, those wills (IN) them are a result of their thinking at work in them, So they are held captive by those thopughts. It is the same with all men they are (NOT) FREE WILLED, they are given LIBERTY to exercise their (captivated) WILLS . That is what is meant by He came to set the (captives) Free. We are all held captive by our Wills or better, what is controlling our wills. Jesus Showed us that we need to put our WILL to DEATH as He did HIS WILL, But this can only be achieved by GOD HOLY SPIRIT being in US as it was in HIM. “Who so ever will save his life will lose it and whosoever will lose (his) life for the kingdom of GOD sake, shall save it.  We all need to die to ourselves which is expressed by our wills. Paul said Rom 7:18 …> For I know that in me (that is in my flesh), dwells no good thing: Why” for or because to WILL is Present with Me; but how to perform that which is good I (FIND NOT)>   Think about it Mikeboll peace and love to you and yours……………….gene

gene
Ro 7:8 But sin, seizing the opportunity afforded by the commandment, produced in me every kind of covetous desire. For apart from law, sin is dead.
Ro 7:9 Once I was alive apart from law; but when the commandment came, sin sprang to life and I died.
Ro 7:10 I found that the very commandment that was intended to bring life actually brought death.
Ro 7:11 For sin, seizing the opportunity afforded by the commandment, deceived me, and through the commandment put me to death.
Ro 7:12 So then, the law is holy, and the commandment is holy, righteous and good.
Ro 7:13 Did that which is good, then, become death to me? By no means! But in order that sin might be recognized as sin, it produced death in me through what was good, so that through the commandment sin might become utterly sinful.
Ro 7:14 We know that the law is spiritual; but I am unspiritual, sold as a slave to sin.
Ro 7:15 I do not understand what I do. For what I want to do I do not do, but what I hate I do.
Ro 7:16 And if I do what I do not want to do, I agree that the law is good.
Ro 7:17 As it is, it is no longer I myself who do it, but it is sin living in me.
Ro 7:18 I know that nothing good lives in me, that is, in my sinful nature. For I have the desire to do what is good, but I cannot carry it out.
Ro 7:19 For what I do is not the good I want to do; no, the evil I do not want to do—this I keep on doing.
Ro 7:20 Now if I do what I do not want to do, it is no longer I who do it, but it is sin living in me that does it.
Ro 7:21 So I find this law at work: When I want to do good, evil is right there with me.
Ro 7:22 For in my inner being I delight in God’s law;

WHAT PAUL TALK ABOUT IS THAT WEN THERE WAS NO LAW HE WAS FREE OF THE LAW ,BUT AS SOON AS THE LAW CAME THE LAW SHOWED HIM ALL THE THING HE WAS DOING WRONG AND WERE CALLED SIN,HE UNDERSTOOD THAT THE LAW IS SPIRITUAL ,AND THAT HIS BODY HAS A WILL OF IS OWN DESIRES, AND THAT THEIR IS CONFLIC BETWEEN THEM.
SO THAT TO DO GOD WILL ,TO DO GOOD HE AS TO FIGHT THE WILL OF THE BODY AND THE EVIL IN IT.

THIS IS WHY WE NEED VIGILENCE AND OUR FREEWILL TO ALWAYS CHOSE THE GOOD ,THE WILL OF GOD NOT OURS.
AND SO RECIEVE THE GIFT OF LIVE FROM GOD.

[NickHassan]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Mar. 14 2010,09:49)

Nick………If GOD is not the source of those Spirits then where did they come from. Did they just appear on there own out of nowhere. As i said you do not understand what Spirit (IS) Yet , it (IS) the life source (IN) the Being His intellects which enlightens him and is given from ONLY ONE GOD.  This is the creating source of all life. God is what life IS, He is the giver and sustainer of (ALL) Life. He is also the creator of (ALL) Knowledge both of Good and Evil. He enlightens every man coming into the world with what the comprehensions they posses.

GB,
Infants coming into the world have no information.
Do they lack an intellect?

[Worshipping Jesus]

Hi

Please take the free will debate to the right thread!

Thanks WJ

[Ed J]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 12 2010,16:44)

Hi ED, God's word is His essence? You rate humanity far too highly I think. We are a moment in time and His word is a glimpse of reality.

Thanks Nick,

God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[GeneBalthrop]

Nick………..No matter how much volume a vessel can hold it must be filled, We are born with this capacity but it is no good to us unless it is filled with Knowledge . Childern are born with the ability to learn at berth and as there bodies grow so does there Knowledge and understanding grow. Unless they are mentally hampered through some Physical damage either during gestation or by some accident after berth.

If you were born in an involvement where there was no language or means of communication you would be considered dumb and in fact you would be dumb and Illiterate. WE are vessels and acquire SPIRIT or intellects as we mature. Because we were bone with that ability does not mean we have acquired them at berth, Even the SPIRIT of TRUTH is given to Us later after berth. WE are developing and growing Unto the FULL MEASURE of CHRIST. That is those who have GOD Spirit of TRUTH in them. IMO

[NickHassan]

GB,
Knowledge is the great aim in life??

Interesting.

We are blessed with the Spirit of truth at birth?
No we inherit the knowledge of good and evil from Adam.

[GeneBalthrop]

Nick………..Why twist up what i said . Where did i say we are born with the Spirit of truth at berth? However a child is certainly far more truthful then most adults are. And Where did i say Knowledge is the GREAT aim in Life? While we are certinly told to grow in GRACE and KNOWLEDGE.

Now you say we inherit the knowledge of good and evil from Adam, But my bible says GOD (Planted) the TREE of The Knowledge of Good and Evil. But You say ADAM is the SOURCE of GOOD and EVIL. Please give us you support scripture that prove you dogmas.

peace and love………………gene

[NickHassan]

GB,
Adam ate of that tree.
It equipped him with conscience but he did not have the wisdom or grace to follow it.
Some stumble on the path of Jesus seeking the snare and vanity of great knowledge ahead of seeking wisdom and grace

[GeneBalthrop]

Nick………. Show us where ADAM ate of the Tree of LIFE that was in the garden , my bible say they were prevented from eating from it, or they would not ever die. If you understood what the word (EAT) means you might see it clearer, the Word (EAT) means to take to ones self. Adam and Eve sinned was when they took to themselves to gain the knowledge of good and evil (themselves) through {an intimate relationship with both good and evil} .

Why are you changing subject matter here, we were talking about living forever with a flesh body, Stay with the subject, instead of darting off into some other subject that has nothing to do with what we are talking about.

peace and love……………………gene

[NickHassan]

GB,
You are confused.
I did not say he ate of the tree of life but he did eat of the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

[942767]

Hi Mike:

You say:

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That is correct – even the wicked have the Spirit of God as their life force IMO.

The life of the flesh is in the blood. Jesus said a man must be born again to have the Spirit of God. Based on this Word of God, the wicked do not have the Spirit of God.

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3Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God. 4Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born? 5Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. 6That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

Love in Christ,
Marty

[martian]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 04 2010,06:29)

Hi all! Ed J says that the word of God is the Holy Spirit! The following is scriptures that he uses to support his opinion… Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 03 2010,13:55) Hi WJ, Why do you ignore what the Bible says? Here is what Luke said… Luke 8:11: Now the parable is this: ;The Seed is The Word of God. Luke 8:15 But that on the good ground are they, which in an honest and good heart,                having heard The Word, keep it, and bring forth fruit with patience. Rom.9:8 …children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: (“Jesus“=74 AND “Fruit“=74)                 but the CHILDREN OF THE PROMISE are counted for The Seed.              “The Seed” is “The Word”! (Luke 8:11)       John 14:24 He that loveth me (Jesus) not keepeth not my (Jesus) sayings: and                  The Word which ye hear is not mine, but The Father's which sent me. Acts 19:20 So mightily grew The Word of God and prevailed. Acts 12:24 The Word of God grew and multiplied.               THE WORD IS THE HOLY SPIRIT     WILL YOU IGNORE THESE VERSES AS WELL; WJ?           Just like you ignored my last two Posts? Ed J How many agree? Blessings WJ

The most common form of interpretation used today is called “Cut and Paste Theology”. In this method a person can take a scripture out of context put it with several others, disregarding any proper hermeneutical principles and make a doctrine out of it. Not understanding the culture or definitions of words. Using ambiguous scriptures that are misinterpreted to contradict very clear scriptures. With this type of “scholarship” a person can prove just about anything from scripture. When one actually looks at these conclusions with proper principles they completely fall apart. This is not to say that there are not scriptures that can stand on their own but always must also stand within the proper interpretive process.
I have to agree with WJ on this one. A written manuscript does not equal a living viable person (Christ)

[GeneBalthrop]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 15 2010,05:43)

GB, You are confused. I did not say he ate of the tree of life but he did eat of the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

Nick……… You are the one confused, I was talking about the tree of life and said they could have lived (in the flesh) for ever and you came back and said they ate of (THAT) Tree. That only distracted from what i was saying or better what scripture said.

[terraricca]

hi

2Co 4:2 Rather, we have renounced secret and shameful ways; we do not use deception, nor do we distort the word of God. On the contrary, by setting forth the truth plainly we commend ourselves to every man’s conscience in the sight of God.

[Ed J]

Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 12 2010,17:09)

Quote (942767 @ Mar. 12 2010,15:59) Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 12 2010,14:01) Quote (942767 @ Mar. 12 2010,10:14) Hi: Why add to or take away from the Word of God which states that the Holy Spirit is God's Spirit, and so, that is what the Word of God states: Quote 1 Co. 2:7But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory: 8Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory. 9But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him. 10But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God. 11For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God. 12Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God. 13Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual Love in Christ, Marty Hi Marty, The Bible also states… John 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth. Do you believe this Spirit (that “IS” GOD) is “Holy”? Do you believe God's word is his or his Son? God bless Ed J http://www.holycitybiblecode.org Hi Ed: The life that a person lives defines the person.  God has said, Quote Leviticus 11:45 For I am the LORD that bringeth you up out of the land of Egypt, to be your God: ye shall therefore be holy, for I am holy. And God made man in His own image, and yes, Jesus is the express image of his person.  And Jesus has said, “he who has seen me has seen the Father”.  The last Adam has become like God through learning to apply His Word to his life in this world.  The Son is said to be the Word. Ed you are at least partially correct.  The Holy Spirit does embody the Word of God, but I am not sure if one can make the statement the Holy Spirit is the Word of God.  The Holy Spirit is the life of the Father. I will have to pray and ask for understanding. Love in Christ, Marty Hi Marty, And you know who said this… The systems of religion and traditions of men communicate except distortions of truth, confusion of mind, and distractions of spirit. The Bible says in Acts… Acts:17:11: These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received The Word(John 14:24 / John 17:3)                   with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily (1Cor.13:7), whether those things were so.                           The AKJV Bible The AKJV Bible has made use of italicized words, words that are absent from the Hebrew Masoretic Texts. The AKJV translators did this so as NOT to accidentally corrupt the sacred “Scriptures, because the AKJV Bible was translated on a “Word for Word” basis! The Posts you make are 'corrupted', because you are NOT Posting the “Authorized” KJV. I know this to be a FACT and I can prove it by Posting the “Authorized” Version for you. I took the liberty of removing the 'added words', because 'i am' is Lucifer's 'title'; and he that has corrupted MANY modern versions! Levit. 11:45 For I(JEHOVAH=69) the LORD that bringeth you up out of the land of Egypt, to be your God: ye shall therefore be holy, for I Holy=69. Theomatics(Biblical Gematria or Numbers in Scripture) corroborate “Bible Truth”=117                        “YHVH is GOD”=117 PSALM 117 is [The Bible's Center], the “[smallest chapter]” of the [LARGEST BOOK]! Witnessing to the world in behalf of… (Psalm 45:17) 117=יהוה האלהים(JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm! Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 60:13-15) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

All,

The HolySpirit is JEHOVAH; and he is HOLY!

John 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[GeneBalthrop]

Nick………..You have not replied to What i said, Could Man in Flesh form have lived forever if He had eaten of the tree of Life and never die.
My point is that flesh blood (CAN) live for ever. What do you think?

peace and love……………..gene

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