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- March 5, 2010 at 3:49 pm#182033terrariccaParticipant
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 05 2010,10:34) Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 04 2010,16:03) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 05 2010,06:29) Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 04 2010,13:16) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 05 2010,03:46) terraricca,Mar. wrote:georg
God is spirit, his word is his to men,this make it holy,the scriptures are all the writings that God as preserve for us,despite the evil one,Christ says it is the living word,
I believe and have experienced that by putting first the kingdom in your live ,God bring your understanding in scripture so that your eyes in the spirit see more,because he unlock that understanding,this is how he gives you courage and show you his love,on a personal base.
do not misunderstand the scriptures are from the spirit of God but are not God,
so wen in the scriptures it talks about the holy spirit it talks about the word of God.Peter said that scriptures have been written by men influenced by the holy spirit,so why should it bee that the word be less than the holy spirit.
unless we believe the word of God or we do not ,by doing so we accept or reject the holy spirit.
there many scriptures in the bible to understand that.
TThe Word of God comes from the Holy Spirit of God.
It is living because the Holy Spirit gives it life.
The letter of the word kills. But the Holy Spirit gives it life.
The word of God is spoken by the Holy Spirit and is not the Holy Spirit.
The Holy Spirit is not the word of God but rather speaks the word of God and gives it life!
Blessings WJ
Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 04 2010,13:16) WJ The word of God which is the “seed” grows, but the Holy Spirit of God does not grow!
BUT THE HOLY SPIRIT MAKE IT GROW
TExactly! Therefore the Holy Spirit is not the word of God!
Blessings WJ
wjMAY BE I HAVE EXPRESS MY SELF NOT CLEARLY,
THE WORD IN IT SELF IS NOT THE HOLY SPIRIT,
THE WORD CONTAINS THE UNDERSTANDING OF THE HOLY SPIRIT OF GOD,
AND ALSO PART OF THE WORD IS THE SPIRIT OF CHRIST.
Did you vote no?WJ
WJyou asking me ??
i vote yes,of cause it needs more details yet,how the holy spirit interact with men and the word of God all at once.
March 5, 2010 at 3:58 pm#182034Worshipping JesusParticipantQuote (terraricca @ Mar. 05 2010,10:49) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 05 2010,10:34) Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 04 2010,16:03) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 05 2010,06:29) Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 04 2010,13:16) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 05 2010,03:46) terraricca,Mar. wrote:georg
God is spirit, his word is his to men,this make it holy,the scriptures are all the writings that God as preserve for us,despite the evil one,Christ says it is the living word,
I believe and have experienced that by putting first the kingdom in your live ,God bring your understanding in scripture so that your eyes in the spirit see more,because he unlock that understanding,this is how he gives you courage and show you his love,on a personal base.
do not misunderstand the scriptures are from the spirit of God but are not God,
so wen in the scriptures it talks about the holy spirit it talks about the word of God.Peter said that scriptures have been written by men influenced by the holy spirit,so why should it bee that the word be less than the holy spirit.
unless we believe the word of God or we do not ,by doing so we accept or reject the holy spirit.
there many scriptures in the bible to understand that.
TThe Word of God comes from the Holy Spirit of God.
It is living because the Holy Spirit gives it life.
The letter of the word kills. But the Holy Spirit gives it life.
The word of God is spoken by the Holy Spirit and is not the Holy Spirit.
The Holy Spirit is not the word of God but rather speaks the word of God and gives it life!
Blessings WJ
Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 04 2010,13:16) WJ The word of God which is the “seed” grows, but the Holy Spirit of God does not grow!
BUT THE HOLY SPIRIT MAKE IT GROW
TExactly! Therefore the Holy Spirit is not the word of God!
Blessings WJ
wjMAY BE I HAVE EXPRESS MY SELF NOT CLEARLY,
THE WORD IN IT SELF IS NOT THE HOLY SPIRIT,
THE WORD CONTAINS THE UNDERSTANDING OF THE HOLY SPIRIT OF GOD,
AND ALSO PART OF THE WORD IS THE SPIRIT OF CHRIST.
Did you vote no?WJ
WJyou asking me ??
i vote yes,of cause it needs more details yet,how the holy spirit interact with men and the word of God all at once.
TThe poll is based on a yes or no to the following points…
The word of God is the Holy Spirit!
The Word of God is not the Holy Spirit!
There doesn't need to be any clarification on those points for only one point can be true.
If you voted yes then you are saying that you believe…
“The word of God is the Holy Spirit!“!
Blessings WJ
March 5, 2010 at 5:14 pm#182039GeneBalthropParticipantWJ…………you can (NOT) sperate GOD from HIs Words (spirits) no more then you can be separated from you words. “for that which comes out of a man proceeds from His Heart and that is what defiles the Man. WHY? because that what the man is, and the same with GOD He is HIS WORDS. GOD (IS) LIFE and (HIS) WORDS ARE LIFE and SPIRIT> Jesus spoke GOD'S Words to us and Said the WORDS I am Telling YOU (ARE) SPIRIT and LIFE.
peace and love……………………..gene
March 5, 2010 at 5:37 pm#182040ElizabethParticipantO.K. Let me give all of you my two cents. In
John 1:1 it says :”In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
verse2
He was in the beginning with God.
verse 14
And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us……..
Rev. 19:13 He was clothed with a rob dipped in blood, and His name is called THE WORD OF GOD.when you read on in verse 16 it says this
And He has written on His rob and His thigh a name written:
KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDSWe all know that this is about Jesus. So the Word of God is not intellect or the Holy Spirit, it is who became Jesus.
Any disagree, show me Scriptures……Peace and Love Irene
March 5, 2010 at 6:33 pm#182043Worshipping JesusParticipantQuote (Gene Balthrop @ Mar. 05 2010,12:14) WJ…………you can (NOT) sperate GOD from HIs Words (spirits) no more then you can be separated from you words. “for that which comes out of a man proceeds from His Heart and that is what defiles the Man. WHY? because that what the man is, and the same with GOD He is HIS WORDS. GOD (IS) LIFE and (HIS) WORDS ARE LIFE and SPIRIT> Jesus spoke GOD'S Words to us and Said the WORDS I am Telling YOU (ARE) SPIRIT and LIFE. peace and love……………………..gene
GeneThe written word of God was inspired by the Holy Spirit.
The written word of God without the Holy Spirit is the dead letter.
Satan can speak the word of God, but is that the Holy Spirit speaking!
Again…
The Holy Spirit speaks the words of God and the Holy Spirit is not the spoken words of God but gives life to the words of God!
Blessings WJ
March 5, 2010 at 7:08 pm#182045terrariccaParticipantQuote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 06 2010,05:33) Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Mar. 05 2010,12:14) WJ…………you can (NOT) sperate GOD from HIs Words (spirits) no more then you can be separated from you words. “for that which comes out of a man proceeds from His Heart and that is what defiles the Man. WHY? because that what the man is, and the same with GOD He is HIS WORDS. GOD (IS) LIFE and (HIS) WORDS ARE LIFE and SPIRIT> Jesus spoke GOD'S Words to us and Said the WORDS I am Telling YOU (ARE) SPIRIT and LIFE. peace and love……………………..gene
GeneThe written word of God was inspired by the Holy Spirit.
The written word of God without the Holy Spirit is the dead letter.
Satan can speak the word of God, but is that the Holy Spirit speaking!
Again…
The Holy Spirit speaks the words of God and the Holy Spirit is not the spoken words of God but gives life to the words of God!
Blessings WJ
WJyes i agree with you on this;
The Holy Spirit speaks the words of God and the Holy Spirit is not the spoken words of God but gives life to the words of God!it is good to have sometimes a good education.
March 6, 2010 at 4:57 pm#182163GeneBalthropParticipantWJ……….The HOLY SPIRIT (IS) the INTELLECT of GOD and it is SPOKEN to US by Jesus and ALL who have his Spirit, IMO
peace and love……………….gene
March 6, 2010 at 5:39 pm#182171NickHassanParticipantHi,
Yes WJ the Spirit of God enlivens His word.
Intellect is neither wisdom nor love.
Enlarge your mind GB.March 6, 2010 at 5:53 pm#182174JustAskinParticipantGene,
I have only just started reading this topic.Can you explain to me what you mean by 'the Intellect of God'?
At this time I agree with WJ that the Holy Spirit is not the WORD of God.
The capitals make it a personification, so we know that we are talking about a person, and that can only mean that the 'Word' was Jesus (to be).
The Holy Spirit, indeed, speaks the words of God – and Jesus!… because the Holy Spirit is an activator, an enabler, a motivator, an envigorator, an empowerer, an enlivener, a reminder(-er!) of that which God and Christ speaks through it.
March 6, 2010 at 5:56 pm#182176JustAskinParticipantcorrection: I meant that the capitalised letter(s) in the 'Word' indicates a personification.
March 6, 2010 at 6:03 pm#182179ElizabethParticipantSuch a simple question, and look how much confusion it presents.
Georg
March 6, 2010 at 7:27 pm#182190mikeboll64BlockedHi All,
In my humble opinion, aside from the obvious that Irene pointed out, the Word cannot be the Holy Spirit. The Word became flesh, so wouldn't that mean that Jesus was the Holy Spirit in the flesh?
But that can't be because of Luke 12:10;
Quote Luke 12:10 NIV
And everyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but anyone who blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven.This proves the distinction between Jesus and the Holy Spirit.
That's my two cents, anyway.peace and love,
mikeMarch 6, 2010 at 7:29 pm#182191Ed JParticipantQuote (JustAskin @ Mar. 07 2010,04:53) Gene,
I have only just started reading this topic.Can you explain to me what you mean by 'the Intellect of God'?
At this time I agree with WJ that the Holy Spirit is not the WORD of God.
The capitals make it a personification, so we know that we are talking about a person, and that can only mean that the 'Word' was Jesus (to be).
The Holy Spirit, indeed, speaks the words of God – and Jesus!… because the Holy Spirit is an activator, an enabler, a motivator, an envigorator, an empowerer, an enlivener, a reminder(-er!) of that which God and Christ speaks through it.
Hi JustAskin,“The Word”(of God) was written by Men…
2Pt.1:21: For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man:
but Holy Men of GOD spake as they were moved by the HolySpirit.What happened at “Pentecost”…
Acts 4:31 …THEY were all filled with the HolySpirit, and they spake The Word of God with boldness.
Acts 10:44 …yet spake these words, the HolySpirit fell on all THEM which heard The Word.
Rom. 10:17 So then FAITH cometh BY HEARING, AND HEARING BY “THE WORD” of GOD.“The Seed” is “The Word” that brings forth “Fruit”(Children).
Luke 8:11 Now the parable is this: The Seed is The Word of God.
Rom.9:8 …children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but
THE CHILDREN OF THE PROMISE ARE counted for The Seed.
Luke 8:15 But that on the good ground are they, which in an honest and good heart,
having heard The Word, keep it, and bring forth fruit with patience. (“Jesus“=74 / “Fruit“=74)“HolySpirit” is “The Word” that multiplies “Fruit”(Children)
John 14:24 He that loveth me (Jesus) not keepeth not my (Jesus) sayings: and
The Word which ye hear is not mine, but The Father's which sent me.
Acts 19:20 So mightily grew The Word of God and prevailed.
Acts 12:24 The Word of GOD grew and multiplied (Children).Verily, verily, I say unto you, except a corn of wheat fall into the ground and die,
it abides alone: but if [Jesus=74] dies, [He] will bring forth much [fruit=74] (John 12:24).God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgMarch 6, 2010 at 8:00 pm#182193Ed JParticipantQuote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 07 2010,06:27) Hi All, In my humble opinion, aside from the obvious that Irene pointed out, the Word cannot be the Holy Spirit. The Word became flesh, so wouldn't that mean that Jesus was the Holy Spirit in the flesh?
But that can't be because of Luke 12:10;
Quote Luke 12:10 NIV
And everyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but anyone who blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven.This proves the distinction between Jesus and the Holy Spirit.
That's my two cents, anyway.peace and love,
mike
Hi MikeBoll,How does these verses fit into 'your' theories?
1Cor:14:33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.
Philip 1:15 Some indeed preach Christ even of envy and strife; and some also of good will:
James 3:16 For where envying and strife is, there is confusion and every evil work.Acts 13:9-10 Then Saul, (who also is called Paul,) filled with the HolySpirit, set his eyes on
him, And said(The Word), O full of all subtilty and all mischief, thou child of the devil, thou
enemy of all righteousness, wilt thou not cease to pervert the right ways of the Lord?Acts 14:11: And when the people saw what Paul had done, they lifted up their voices,
saying in the speech of Lycaonia, The gods are come down to us in the likeness of men.Zech.3:9 For behold the stone (Rev.2:17) that I have laid before [Jesus];
upon one stone shall be seven eyes: behold, I will engrave the graving thereof,
saith the LORD of hosts, and I will remove the iniquity of that land in one day.God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgMarch 6, 2010 at 9:23 pm#182195NickHassanParticipantHi Ed,
So the word is a fruit or a gift of the Spirit.
True.
1 Cor 12.8tBut the word is not that Spirit.
March 6, 2010 at 10:36 pm#182200mikeboll64BlockedQuote (Ed J @ Mar. 07 2010,07:00) Hi MikeBoll, How does these verses fit into 'your' theories?
1Cor:14:33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.
Philip 1:15 Some indeed preach Christ even of envy and strife; and some also of good will:
James 3:16 For where envying and strife is, there is confusion and every evil work.Acts 13:9-10 Then Saul, (who also is called Paul,) filled with the HolySpirit, set his eyes on
him, And said(The Word), O full of all subtilty and all mischief, thou child of the devil, thou
enemy of all righteousness, wilt thou not cease to pervert the right ways of the Lord?Acts 14:11: And when the people saw what Paul had done, they lifted up their voices,
saying in the speech of Lycaonia, The gods are come down to us in the likeness of men.Zech.3:9 For behold the stone (Rev.2:17) that I have laid before [Jesus];
upon one stone shall be seven eyes: behold, I will engrave the graving thereof,
saith the LORD of hosts, and I will remove the iniquity of that land in one day.God bless
Ed J
Hi Ed,I'm not sure what any of these Scriptures have to do with the Word being the Holy Spirit. (Or any of the ones you've previously posted for that matter.)
I'm not saying you are without a doubt wrong. You're just not doing a very good job of conveying your point, I guess. Or I am just not understanding you.
Let's take it a point at a time.
Do you think Jesus was the Holy Spirit in the flesh?
Do you think every time “God's word” is mentioned in the Bible, it is talking about “THE WORD” from John 1:1?
peace and love,
mikeMarch 6, 2010 at 10:42 pm#182201Ed JParticipantQuote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 07 2010,08:23) Hi Ed,
So the word is a fruit or a gift of the Spirit.
True.
1 Cor 12.8tBut the word is not that Spirit.
Hi Nick,I will do like Thinker,
Major Premise: “HolySpirit” produces “Fruit”. (Matt.1:18 / Matt.1:20)
Minor Premise: “The Word” produces “Fruit”. (Luke 8:11-15)
Conclusion: The HolySpirit is therefore The Word! (Heb. 7:28)How did I do, Nick; just like TheThinker does?
Perhaps even better because, besides “Logic”,
I have the backing of The “HolySpirit”(The Word)!Proof Text: Verily, verily, I say unto you, except a corn of wheat fall into the ground and die,
it abides alone: but if [Jesus=74] dies, [He] will bring forth much [fruit=74] (John 12:24).God bless
Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgMarch 7, 2010 at 12:18 am#182214Ed JParticipantQuote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 07 2010,09:36) Hi Ed, Let's take it a point at a time.
Do you think Jesus was the Holy Spirit in the flesh?
peace and love,
mike
Hi Mike,The Apostle Paul tells Timothy to avoid 'hearsay' information and instead accept Science.
Timothy 6:20 O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding
profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called:So let’s look at the beginning of Jesus (physical) life from the standpoint of (Science) genetics.
Science suggests that blood in the fetus comes from the father’s genetics.
That would mean “Jesus”=74 had “GOD Blood”=74 running through his veins.To put this in scientific terms (according to facts written in the Bible),
that would mean Jesus at his birth was ½(50%) HOLYSPIRIT (Jesus’ FATHER Matt.1:18 / Matt.1:20),
¼(25%) from the tribe JUDAH (Mary’s Father’s tribe Luke 3:23-33) and
¼(25%) from the tribe of LEVI (Mary’s Mother’s tribe Luke 1:5).
That would make Jesus “a Prophet”(Luke 3:31), “a Priest”(Luke 1:5),
but the most important of all these, the “Son of GOD”( Matt.1:18 / Matt.1:20 / Luke 1:35)!Acts 20:28 Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock,
over the which the HolySpirit hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God,
which he(HolySpirit) hath purchased with his(HolySpirit's) own [God blood=74] (shed from Jesus'=74 veins).
It’s the shedding of Jesus’=74 “God blood”=74 that removes sin (Heb.9:22). “The Passover”=148 [74+74=148]
“GOD The Father” raised Jesus back from the dead (Gal.1:1); for our Justification. (Rom.4:25)
“Theomatics” is another Science: “Number valuations” based on Scripture.John 1:14: And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us…
“The Word”(Holy Spirit) became fully flesh(in Jesus) at Jesus baptism by John;
In Luke 4:1 He(Holy Spirit) led Jesus into the wilderness and in Luke 4:14 He(Holy Spirit)
caused Jesus to return from the wilderness! In Matt.26:39,42 He(Holy Spirit)
made Jesus aware that he(Jesus) would have to die on a cross for the sins of mankind!
This is how “The Word”(Jesus’ Father) was made flesh, and dwelt among us. (John 14:9 / John 1:14)After Jesus baptism, you can no longer give a % of how much HolySpirit was in Jesus!
John 3:34 For he whom God hath sent speaketh the words of God:
for God giveth not the [HolySpirit] by measure unto him(Jesus Christ).God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgMarch 7, 2010 at 12:18 am#182215Ed JParticipantQuote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 07 2010,09:36) Hi Ed, Let's take it a point at a time.
Do you think every time “God's word” is mentioned in the Bible, it is talking about “THE WORD” from John 1:1?
peace and love,
mike
Hi Mike,“The Word”: IS THE WORD OF GOD!
“HolySpirit”(Jesus' Father is GOD) (Luke 1:35)
John 1:1 …and The Word was GOD.And [“ο λογος”] “Hō Lōgôs” was [“θεος”] “Thēôs;” And “The Word” was “GOD”!
The Bible teaches: There No forgiveness for rejecting HolySpirit as GOD.Luke 12:10 And whosoever shall speak a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him:
but unto him that blasphemeth(speaketh) against the HolySpirit, it shall not be forgiven him;
neither in this world, neither in the world to come. (Mathew 12:32) Last Post of mine <– Click HerePeople need: “BIBLE PERCEPTION“=151, to understand “BIBLE TRUTH“=117 ! (AKJV Eph.4:22-24)
God's Name [יהוה] translates DIRECTLY into English as “YHVH”=63
The “Divine”=63 “Deity”=63 of “The Bible”=63 is “YHVH”=63 !
Hosea 6:3 Then shall we know, if we follow on to know the LORD: his going forth
is prepared as the morning; and he shall come unto us as the rain, as
[“The Latter Rain“=151 and “former rain“=117] unto the earth.I added “Color” to help you grasp the “Ideas” God has put forth in His Word!
THE “THREE” MAIN (Called:”The Trinity”=148) “FEASTS OF GOD” are Called…1) “The Passover”=148 “The Passover”: made possible “Pentecost”=117
“Messiah: Jesus”=148 “JESUS CHRIST“=151 was the “Testator”=151!2) “Pentecost”=117 Started the “God Spirit”=117(Holy Spirit), which
“Former Rain”=117 is “GOD THE FATHER”=117 reigning in Mankind!3) “Feast of Booths”=151 begins “HOLY SPIRIT”=151(The LORD JEHOVAH=151)
“The Latter Rain”=151 “Tabernacles Feast”=151; the culmination of the THREE!“YHVH is GOD”=117
PSALM 117 is [The Bible's Center], the “[smallest chapter]” of the [LARGEST BOOK]!Witnessing to the world in behalf of… (Psalm 45:17)
117=יהוה האלהים(JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 60:13-15)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgMarch 7, 2010 at 5:32 am#182250NickHassanParticipantQuote (Ed J @ Mar. 07 2010,09:42) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 07 2010,08:23) Hi Ed,
So the word is a fruit or a gift of the Spirit.
True.
1 Cor 12.8tBut the word is not that Spirit.
Hi Nick,I will do like Thinker,
Major Premise: “HolySpirit” produces “Fruit”. (Matt.1:18 / Matt.1:20)
Minor Premise: “The Word” produces “Fruit”. (Luke 8:11-15)
Conclusion: The HolySpirit is therefore The Word! (Heb. 7:28)How did I do, Nick; just like TheThinker does?
Perhaps even better because, besides “Logic”,
I have the backing of The “HolySpirit”(The Word)!Proof Text: Verily, verily, I say unto you, except a corn of wheat fall into the ground and die,
it abides alone: but if [Jesus=74] dies, [He] will bring forth much [fruit=74] (John 12:24).God bless
Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34)
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Hi ED,
The word is sown.
It bears fruit in repentance.
Then men are able to access salvation and be reborn from above.Logic and numerology cannot give you all the wisdom of God any more than astrology can, though three wise men got enough of a glimpse to find and honour the servant son.
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