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Proclaimer…….1 John 4:1…..Beloved believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world. (2) Here’s how you know the Spirit of God: “every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ Is come in the flesh is of God’. (3) and every spirit that confesses not Jesus Christ Is come in the flesh is (NOT) of God.: and this (IS) that spirit of (Antichrist) . Where by you have heard it (the spirit of Antichrist ) should come, and even now already is in the world.
The Catholic Church was noe even in existence when John wrote that. So much for your Pope As the great Antichrist, even though he is a Antichrist and so are all though the follow him and most all Protestants are too.
Now proclaimer let’s see who is confused, Do you believe Jesus actually came into his existence as a true flesh man “only”, Or do you actually believe he was the preexistent word of God or some other being who was “transferred into a human body, But was actually someone else who preexisted that flesh body?, if you do then you too are indeed just another Antichrist, Rather you believe it or not,John was not meaning Jesus was someone else who was given a human flesh body or he would heave clearly said so. He actually meant Jesus came into his “only” true existence as a flesh human being. All who try to change that are Antichrist , and are void of the Spirit of Truth. According to what John has said.
Proclaimer your doing exactly what the Catholic and Protestant churches are doing which is changing Jesus’s true (image) existence into something else.All those who see this are of God , 1 John 4;4-6 ……”you are of God, little children , and have overcome them: because greater is he that is “IN” you then he that is in the world. (5) They are of the world : therefore speak they of the world, and the world hears them. (6) We are of God: he that knows God hears us; he that is not of God hears not us, Hereby know we; the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.
Just that simple Proclaimer, you have deliberately avoided these scriptures because they exposes , your errors brother, repent.
peace and love to you and yours………….gene
Proclaimer…….think about what I just posted, your doing the same thing as they are, only your not saying Jesus is a PREEXISTING God, but none the less you are maintaining he is a PREEXISTING being of some kind none the less, you goal is the same, your moving his “Image” to a different one right?
peace and love to you and yours…………gene
Gene
[37] All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.
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[38] FOR I CAME DOWN FROM HEAVEN ,not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.
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[38] FOR I CAME DOWN FROM HEAVEN…
WHEN JESUS SAID THAT HE WAS ON EARTH
Ok Gene ?
WHAT DID JESUS DO IN HEAVEN BEFORE COMING TO EARTH?
HE EXECUTED AS LEADER OF ANGELS:
REVELATION 12
And there was war IN HEAVEN: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon, (SATAN); and the dragon fought and his angels,
[8] And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.
[9] And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world:he(SATAN) was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
SO JESUS
CONQUERED SATAN WHEN HE WAS IN HEAVEN AND WHEN HE CAME TO EARTH TO DESTROY THE WORKS OF THE DEVIL, HE ALSO DEFEATED SATAN (by HIS death upon the cross)
HEBREWS 2: Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of FLESH and blood, he also himself likewise took part of THE SAME;
that through death he might DESTROY HIM that had the power of death, that is, THE DEVIL;
Note: “This great sacrifice was not consummated in order to awaken in the Father’s heart feelings of love for fallen humanity, and to dispose him to save it. Far from it! ‘God so loved him. world which he gave his only begotten Son. ‘ It is not because of the propitiation of his Son that the Father loves us, it is because he loves us that he has provided for this propitiation. Jesus Christ is the means by which the Father has poured out his infinite love over a lost world. God in Christ reconciled the world to himself (2 Corinthians 5:19). He suffered with his Son. In the distress of Gethsemane, as in death on Calvary, it was is the heart of the infinite Love which paid the price for our redemption. ”
For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist. (2John 7)
IN THE FLESH
WHAT KIND OF FLESH?
For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending HIS OWN SON in the likeness of SINFUL FLESH, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: (Rom. 8: 3)
SINFUL FLESH
WHY?
TO DEMONSTRATE THAT IT IS POSSIBLE TO PRACTICE THE LAW OF GOD AND OVERCOME THE TENTATIONS OF THE DEVIL BY FAITH AS WE MUST AND CAN DO BY FAITH IN HIM.
NOW WHY IS JOHN SAYING?
For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist. (2John 7)IN THE FLESH
WHAT KIND OF FLESH?
PAUL SAID A ROMANS 8
SINFUL FLESH.IS THE ANTI CHRIST
BELIEVE THAT CHRIST CAME IN A FLESH SUCH AS OUR?OF COURSE NOT
DID THE ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH TEACH THAT CHRIST TAKEN FLESH OF SIN? SINFUL FLESH. ? (Rom. 8: 3)
NO.
Here is an example showing how a “christ” who did not really take our flesh obscures the truth of salvation by this false doctrine on the person of Jesus. Consider the doctrine of the Immaculate Conception, elevated to the rank of dogma by Pope Pius IX, in 1954:“Catholic doctrine teaches that the Blessed Virgin Mary was not only conceived immaculate, that is to say without the slightest spot of original sin, but did not commit the slightest sin in her whole life … No trace of sin has been found. defiled the purity of her soul. She was not only sinless, original or real, but she was also, in a certain sense, incapable of sinning by special privilege “(The Sign, August 1941 – Roman Catholic Review).
In this way, the “christ” of Roman Catholicism was born with a “flesh”, a nature, different from what we have. Well-known Roman Catholic TV presenter Fulton Sheen shows why the dogma of the Immaculate Conception is so necessary for the Catholic “Christ”. Fulton Sheen cannot imagine how a Savior could come in “sinful flesh,” as Paul says, without falling victim to temptation. This misconception is due to a complete lack of understanding of the New Testament truth about faith. But let’s see what he says:
“If Infinite Purity had chosen any other way of entering humanity than that of purity (the immaculate nature of Mary), it would have created immense difficulty – namely, how could he have been without sin, s Was he born of this sinful humanity? Just as a brush dipped in black paint turns black, and a cloth takes on the color of dye, so would he not, in the eyes of the world, participated in the guilt in which all mankind participates? If he had come to earth through the wheat field of moral weakness, straw would certainly have remained clinging to the garment of his human nature. ”
we have seen how the true Christ was born of this sinful humanity, and yet without ever sinning; how “this brush” was “dipped” in black paint without contracting the slightest stain of sin; how he passed “through the wheatfield of moral weakness” without a single twig of “straw” clinging to the “garment of human nature.” This truth about Christ’s victory in our human nature is the glorious teaching of “justification by faith.”
Gene comes from a mysterious land called Opposite World.
Take the following scriptures and derive an exact opposite meaning. Then you have arrived at what he believes.
FOR I CAME DOWN FROM HEAVEN ,
not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.&
And now, Father, glorify me in your presence with the glory I had with you before the world began.
Put the word ‘didn’t’ in both verses and you have his theology.
Yes its that simple.
Berean…..Your religion came from the Catholic Church , read history , the Protestant Church came from the Catholic Church, even now the Catholic’s considers the Protestant church’s their sisters . Martin Luther was a Catholic priest , he did not completely leave all what that Church taught , he keep the , TRINITY , doctrine , which the Protestants still keep today , as well as other false teaching, as a PREEXISTING Jesus.
So you could even consider yourself a member of the Catholic Church, even if you are a Protestant sister CHURCH, believer. IMO
Peace and love to you and yours………gene
Gene
You believe in a Christ out of the law. The true Christ comes from HEAVEN WHERE IS GOD THE FATHER.
Proclaimer……Do You suppose, Jesus was alive in heaven and God took him and morphed him into a human body, which also denies Jesus’ actual human flesh birth “as a human, “exactly” as we are . It also denies his true humanity completely. to you he is a PREEXISTING , what ? You have never explained that yet as I recall. But what ever you call him your teaching drives a very large wedge between Jesus and the rest of humanity, who he called his brothers.
You also ‘assume’ when Jesus said “he came from Heaven”, he meant he already was existing in heaven , before he came into this existence on this earth, but no scripture says that, if it does exist please show it, please show any scripture that show Jesus saying he was a live existing being before he came into his existence , as a human being on this earth, here is some help for you, there is none .
Jesus preexisted “only”, in the plan and will of God, before any creation ever took place, he is the “exact reason”, for God’s creation of all the human race, He is the final ” fulfillment” of God the Fathers plan for “ALL” human kind. He came from heaven in this sense , he was and is the final end “PRODUCT” of What God had in mind for “ALL” of mankind in the very beginning , before the physical creation on this earth ever began. He represent the end purpose for us all, therefore he is the “BEGINNING AND THE END” Purpose. for all of mankind.
For those who have eyes to see and ears to hear , let them see, and hear.
peace and love to you all……….gene
Gene
The human mind cannot understand
the humiliation of Christ the man; but whoever believes in
Word of God cannot doubt his divinity and his
pre-existence. Paul talks about our Mediator, the Only Begotten
of God, who in the state of glory was in the form of God, to
the head of the heavenly hosts (Rev.12:7) and who, when he wanted his
divinity was clothed with humanity, took the form of a
servant.Proclaimer……Do You suppose, Jesus was alive in heaven and God took him and morphed him into a human body, which also denies Jesus’ actual human flesh birth “as a human, “exactly” as we are .
Wonder no more.
The Word became flesh.
This is how you can recognize the Spirit of God:
Every spirit that acknowledges that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God,
but every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus is not from God.
This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you have heard is coming and even now is already in the world.Notice that both verses either say ‘come’ or ‘became’.
Now you can answer your own question.
Proclaimer …..those questions have been answered here by myself and Jodi many times. Like we said it was God the Father’s prophesied word about Jesus that came into being , not that Jesus was some PREEXISTING live being “MORPHED” into a human body as you falsely preach. Jesus is the exact representative of what God the Father had in “MIND” FOR “ALL” HUMANITY. He is the beginning and the end of that purpose. Mankind is the Crown Jewel of God the Fathers creation, and Jesus is the finish product of his plan for all humans, being a 100% human being himself, who came into his being exactly as we have.
Yes Jesus sure did come into his “only” true existence as a flesh man and still is a flesh and bone man, and it will be this flesh and bone man , that will return and establish the Kingdom of God on this earth also.Bottom line You simply do not believe the truth and deny even Jesus own words, “I am the root and offspring of David”. Not to even mention all the other scriptures that say the same thing.
As I have said , “he that has ears to hear and eyes to see , let him,” you obversely do not at this time.
peace and love to you and yours……….gene
Berean and Proclaimer…..it is ‘impossible” for a word, “ANY WORD” to become flesh . Words are spirit driven and are never flesh they represent the mind of the spirit in the body. The only thing a word can do is to become true, or false, And that is exactly what GOD the fathers word did, it came into being, as (true) , it was the Flesh man Jesus, he was the fulfilled , word of God, spoken to us by GOD through the prophets.
Just that simple, No “mystery” about it. Jesus himself is not God the fathers word, he is God the Fathers word fulfilled, Get it? That fulfilled word of God, is what became known as the Flesh man Jesus Christ.
Why can’t you people understand that? Are you seriously that blind!.peace and love to you and yours…………gene
Berean and Proclaimer…..it is ‘impossible” for a word, “ANY WORD” to become flesh .
You are confused between an attribute and an identity. His name is The Word of God. He was with God in the beginning. He was divine. The Word became flesh and his name was Jesus.
You know that he is Jesus, but you don’t know that his name is The Word of God. And he is coming back as The Word of God.
Believe what is written and ask for understanding. Your own understanding is clearly inadequate.
Now proclaimer let’s see who is confused, Do you believe Jesus actually came into his existence as a true flesh man “only”
He came in the flesh. Although he existed in the FORM of God, he emptied himself, came in the flesh, died, rose from the dead, and now is in the glory he had with Him before the cosmos.
His name is the Word of God. You do not know the Word of God. You even deny him. You claim to know a flesh man called Jesus who is NOT The Word of God. There are plenty of those living in South America. Nothing special about a man called Jesus in of itself.
You can know him and your understanding will be renewed. Do not die before knowing him gene. He is The Word of God. Humble yourself and admit your error and ask for forgiveness.
Proclaimer…..Got that wrong too, that scripture was talking about when Jesus was on this earth , he existed in the nature of God, “NOT” before he was born on this earth , but after he was born a human being, on this earth, he received through the Holy Spirit the very nature of God after he was baptized and followed the will of God . “Saying “I always do what pleases the Father, and again , “who so ever has seen me has seen the Father” . “The word I am telling you are “NOT” “my” words, but the words of him who sent me”.
The son of man can do “NOTHING” of himself, the Fathers that is “IN” me “HE” does the works.
Jesus said to the Father ,” I have glorified you upon the earth” and again , “if I glorify myself , my Glory is nothing”.
Tell me when are you people going to start to Glorify the Father as Jesus did in “everything he did”? Giving all the glory to God his and our Father. You people give all the Glory to what Jesus did to Jesus, not God the Father, you are like those who, rob Peter and pay Paul, as the saying goes.
You do these things , you glorify Jesus as God the Fathers word, which takes away from the Fact those words were God the Fathers words, and there by diminishing the glory of God the Father, something Jesus never ever did. He gave “all” glory to the Father , not just some, but “all” glory. I don’t see people here doing that do you?
Jesus is the true demonstration of the work of God the Father ‘in” all Humanity, but your blindness prevents you from seeing that, at this time.Jesus will always give “all” the Glory to God the Father and So Will I. I will bow my knee to Jesus and obey him, “TO THE “GLORY OF”, GOD THE FATHER. NO ONE ELSE,
Peace and love to you and yours……….gene
Gene
You Saïd: “he received through the Holy Spirit the very nature of God after he was baptized and followed the will of God.”
Jesus’ life was perfect by the Holy Spirit Before his baptism … And it was not at his baptism that Jesus received the nature of God, because IN THE BEGINNING HE WAS WITH God AND WAS GOD.
Berean,,,,,;O’ really show us that “written” in our scriptures.? I have never read that, neither have you.
peace and love to you and yours……..gene
Read the opening verses of the Book of John. That book is in the Bible.
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was divine. Then it says that He was in the beginning with God and all things were made through him. Further, without him was not anything made that was made.
Elsewhere we read that in Christ all the fullness of the Deity dwells in bodily form.
We also read that when he came to our world, he emptied himself, came in the flesh, died, rose from the dead, and is seated at the right hand of God in the glory he had with him before the cosmos.
If you do not own a bible Gene, you can read one on the Internet. Here is one for you:
Proclaimer…..Got that wrong too, that scripture was talking about when Jesus was on this earth , he existed in the nature of God, “NOT” before he was born on this earth , but after he was born a human being, on this earth, he received through the Holy Spirit the very nature of God after he was baptized and followed the will of God .
Note the order gene because it thoroughly debunks your assertion.
who, as He already existed in the form of God, did not consider equality with God something to be grasped, but emptied Himself by taking the form of a bond-servant and being born in the likeness of men.
Your welcome.
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