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Nick……..we must remember there was a transition taking Place between the New and the Old Covenants. That necessitated a change in the law which includes ritual washings as baptisms, Circumcisions, It all didn't happen instantly. Nick water only get you wet , but the Baptism of Christ give you life and a new Nature. John i indeed baptize with WATER < But He who comes after me will baptize with Spirit and Fire. Thats the Baptism that counts Nick.
peace and love to you and yours…………………….gene
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 10 2009,14:40) Hi TT,
Indeed 1000 years is as one day.
Ps90
Nick,
So when Jesus said that the one who betrays Him is “at hand” He meant that Judas was 1,000 years coming?thinker
Hi TT,
It could have meant that but context says otherwise.
2 Peter 3:8
But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.Hi TT,
It is still today
Heb3
13But exhort one another daily, while it is called To day; lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin.Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 10 2009,16:40) Hi TT,
Indeed 1000 years is as one day.
Ps90
Only with the lord – for us and for Paul 1000 years is a long time and Paul would not have said at hand if he actually meant 2000 years.Quote (thethinker @ Feb. 07 2009,20:00) 942767 posted: Quote Hi MK: Jesus is the person who has the role of baptizing someone with the Holy Ghost.
The commission to the Apostles was to baptize in water. Just as they obeyed the commission throughout the Acts of the Apsostles.
Exactly! Since the commission to baptize was to the APOSTLES and they're all dead now, then baptism died with them. For Jesus did not give the authority to baptize to everyone.
thinker
Hi thethinker:And so, which parts of the following commision have been done away with? All of it or just the baptism part? And by whose authority?
Jesus said:
Quote Mat 28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
Mat 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
Mat 28:20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, [even] unto the end of the world. AmenHi:
I thought I would post the following scriptures in context:
Quote Hbr 5:9 And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him; Hbr 5:10 Called of God an high priest after the order of Melchisedec.
Hbr 5:11 Of whom we have many things to say, and hard to be uttered, seeing ye are dull of hearing.
Hbr 5:12 For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which [be] the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat.
Hbr 5:13 For every one that useth milk [is] unskilful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe.
Hbr 5:14 But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, [even] those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.
Hbr 6:1 Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,
Hbr 6:2 Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment.
Hbr 6:3 And this will we do, if God permit.
Hbr 6:4 For [it is] impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
Hbr 6:5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
Hbr 6:6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put [him] to an open shame
The author begins verse 6:1 with the word “therefore” indicating what is being said here is based on what preceeded these statements. I believe the key is verse 5:12-14 and 6:1 “let us go on unto perfection…”.
Love in Christ,
MartyQuote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 10 2009,14:53) Hi TT,
It could have meant that but context says otherwise.
2 Peter 3:8
But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
Nonsense Nick,
The expression “at hand” means the same thing throughout Scritpure. You're engaging in inference which you say has no place with the sacred. You infer that Paul's reference to the “Day” in Rom. 13 is your idea of the second coming of Christ. But nothing is said about such second coming. You infer that this is what Paul meant and you can't do that. You said that “inference has no place with the sacred.”In Hebrews 10:25 it says that THEY were seeing the Day approaching.
Quote And let us consider one another in order to stir up love and good works, not forsaking the asembling of ourselves together, as is the manner of some, but exhorting one another, and so much the more as YOU see the day approaching Now there it is Nick. It clearly says that “THEY” were seeing the day approaching which would have been a lie if had God meant that the Day was thousands of years away. Does God lie Nick? Hebrews also says this,
Quote Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is about to pass away (8:13). It clearly says that the old covenant was “about to” pass away. Therefore, the was the new covenant age (the Day) was “about to” come for them. If you're right then Jesus has not risen from the dead yet. He said that He would be in the earth for three days. Since you say that a day means a thousand years and only two thousand years have passed since Jesus said that, then we must wait one more thousand years for Christ to rise from the dead.
So the apostles lied to us Nick. They told us they saw Jesus rise from the dead. But how if God says that three days means three thousand years? The avatar you use for your profile represents you in a bright yellow outfit studying the Scriptures. But you should trash the Scriptures Nick because the apostles lied to us in saying that they saw the risen Jesus. They knew that Jesus meant that He would rise in three thousand years. The had the same Scripture from Psalm 90.
thinker
942767 wrote:
Quote And so, which parts of the following commision have been done away with? All of it or just the baptism part? And by whose authority? Hi Marty,
In Matthew's gospel it says that they were commissioned to preach the gospel to “every creature.” They fulfilled that mandate. Paul said so:
Quote If indeed you continue if the faith, grounded and steadfast, and are not moved away from the hope of the gospel which was preached to every creature under heaven (Colossians 1:23) There it is! Paul said that the gospel had been preached to “every creature under heaven.” The great commission was fulfilled. Therefore, we are not under the mandate that Jesus gave to them.
BUT…. We ought to preach the gospel because they after fulfilling the mandate left us with the legacy to preach it. Even after the mandate had been fulfilled Paul desired to preach it still,
Quote Continue earnestly in prayer, being vigilant in it with thanksgiving; meanwhile praying also for us, that God would open to us a door for the word, to speak the mystery of Christ, for which I am also in chains….(4:2). So in 1:23 Paul said that the mandate had been fulfilled. He said that the gospel was preached to “every creature under heaven.” Yet he still desired to preach it afterwards (4:2).
So yes, the great commission as a mandate ended. But as a legacy it continued to be passed on to future generations. They were given the gospel as a mandate to preach. We have it as a legacy.
thinker
Hi TT,
You say
“Nonsense Nick,
The expression “at hand” means the same thing throughout Scritpure. You're engaging in inference which you say has no place with the sacred.”
Is that your opinion?Hi TT,
You say
“Now there it is Nick. It clearly says that “THEY” were seeing the day approaching which would have been a lie if had God meant that the Day was thousands of years away. Does God lie Nick? Hebrews also says this,”
By SAY do you think is meant seeing with the eye or PERCEIVING?Many caused confusion by teaching the day of the Lord had already come so misunderstandings about God's timings is nothing new.
2 Peter 3:9
The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.HI TT,
The apostles gave us the truth but we need our minds enlarged to fit the timings of God.2 Timothy 2:18
Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some.Hi TT,
Col1
23If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister;True as far as the plan of God had thus far been expressed but of course every creature had yet to be created. Paul brought no new gospel but warned us against those who do. We should not make him into a new Christ.
Gal1
6I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:7Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.
8But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
Hi TT,
Ps90
4For a thousand years in thy sight are but as yesterday when it is past, and as a watch in the night.Luke 12:39
And this know, that if the goodman of the house had known what hour the thief would come, he would have watched, and not have suffered his house to be broken through.1 Thessalonians 5:2
For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.2 Peter 3:10
But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
Romans 8:25
But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it.But we ought not be in darkness
1 Thessalonians 5:4
But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.James 5:7
Be patient therefore, brethren, unto the coming of the Lord. Behold, the husbandman waiteth for the precious fruit of the earth, and hath long patience for it, until he receive the early and latter rain.Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Feb. 09 2009,21:53) Baptizing with water, or Holy Spirit?
Gene,As I understand scripture, man baptizes in water – Jesus baptizes with the Holy Spirit.
Quote John answered them all, “I baptize you with water. But one more powerful than I will come, the thongs of whose sandals I am not worthy to untie. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and with fire Lk.3:16 Blessings,
Seeking
Hi S,
God judges that some are already clean but sinners like us are advised to fulfill all righteousness.Jn13
10Jesus saith to him, He that is washed needeth not save to wash his feet, but is clean every whit: and ye are clean, but not all.Jn15
3Now ye are clean through the word which I have spoken unto you.Seeking said:
Quote As I understand scripture, man baptizes in water – Jesus baptizes with the Holy Spirit. Hey Seeking,
Man does NOT baptize in water. Apostles baptize in water and they're all dead and gone. Therefore, baptism died with them.thinker
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