Is baptism needed for salvation?

[charity]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Sep. 28 2008,20:16)

Hi charity, So how do you confuse a divine timeline according to the birth of a prophet's son??

Well it is insanity to go around  calling Jesus the “only”begotten son, scripture tells, AFTER ELIJAH left his first Life in the luxury of a chariot to heaven, and returned born of a womb again,as John the baptist, that is before Jesus even gets to be “the first begotten Son”?, a soul just mocked and did all before him,
while walking the earth towards twice dead, with no head?

First Begotten Son is only found within the gos-pill John…single Liner..

[NickHassan]

Hi charity,
Monogenes does not mean he is the ONLY son who was begotten.
John the baptist was in the Spirit portion given to Elijah just as we are in the Spirit of Christ.

[NickHassan]

Hi charity,
Monogenes does not mean he is the ONLY son who was begotten.
John the baptist was in the Spirit portion given to Elijah just as we are in the Spirit of Christ.

[charity]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Sep. 28 2008,20:49)

Hi charity, Monogenes does not mean he is the ONLY son who was begotten. John the baptist was in the Spirit portion given to Elijah just as we are in the Spirit of Christ.

no it DOESN'T SAY, SOME AIRY Fairy SPIRIT TRANSFER,Nick, OR THE RETURN OF Jesus WOULD MEAN AIRY Fairy, and HIS RETURN IS THEN ANY OF US in the same equation?

PROMISE OF THE RETURNING  FIRE BUG….Mal 4:5Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD:

they had to get past deciding ABOUT Elijah AS john, BEFORE THEY COULD EVEN START ON Jesus IDENTITY?
Mat 16:14 And they said, Some [say that thou art] John the Baptist: some, Elias; and others, Jeremias, or one of the prophets.

[charity]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Sep. 28 2008,20:49)

Hi charity, Monogenes does not mean he is the ONLY son who was begotten. John the baptist was in the Spirit portion given to Elijah just as we are in the Spirit of Christ.

no it DOESN'T SAY, SOME AIRY Fairy SPIRIT TRANSFER,Nick, OR THE RETURN OF Jesus WOULD MEAN AIRY Fairy, and HIS RETURN IS THEN ANY OF US in the same equation?

PROMISE OF THE RETURNING  FIRE BUG….Mal 4:5Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD:

they had to get past deciding ABOUT Elijah AS john, BEFORE THEY COULD EVEN START ON Jesus IDENTITY?
Mat 16:14 And they said, Some [say that thou art] John the Baptist: some, Elias; and others, Jeremias, or one of the prophets.

[NickHassan]

Hi charity,
Would you mock the Spirit of God-such has cost lives?[acts 5]
The testimony of Jesus Christ too is the Spirit of the prophets.[Rev 19]
The prophets struggled to discern what the Spirit of Christ was showing them.[1peter1]
The Rock water with the desert dwellers was as the Spirit of Christ in God refreshing them.[1Cor 10]

All of God among men is by His Spirit.

[NickHassan]

Hi charity,
Would you mock the Spirit of God-such has cost lives?[acts 5]
The testimony of Jesus Christ too is the Spirit of the prophets.[Rev 19]
The prophets struggled to discern what the Spirit of Christ was showing them.[1peter1]
The Rock water with the desert dwellers was as the Spirit of Christ in God refreshing them.[1Cor 10]

All of God among men is by His Spirit.

[charity]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Sep. 28 2008,21:24)

Hi charity, Would you mock the Spirit of God-such has cost lives?[acts 5] The testimony of Jesus Christ too is the Spirit of the prophets.[Rev 19] The prophets struggled to discern what the Spirit of Christ was showing them.[1peter1] The Rock water with the desert dwellers was as the Spirit of Christ in God refreshing them.[1Cor 10] All of God among men is by His Spirit.

Yes I am Happy to mock the verily verily, Man, because verily verily he mocks Jesus, And his pen is mightier than the sword, and his power is… the truth is whatever you get other people to believe.

[charity]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Sep. 28 2008,21:24)

Hi charity, Would you mock the Spirit of God-such has cost lives?[acts 5] The testimony of Jesus Christ too is the Spirit of the prophets.[Rev 19] The prophets struggled to discern what the Spirit of Christ was showing them.[1peter1] The Rock water with the desert dwellers was as the Spirit of Christ in God refreshing them.[1Cor 10] All of God among men is by His Spirit.

Yes I am Happy to mock the verily verily, Man, because verily verily he mocks Jesus, And his pen is mightier than the sword, and his power is… the truth is whatever you get other people to believe.

[charity]

This is so christian, don't trick yourself that John is not interested in calling fire down from heaven,  any Man that agree with his gos-pill, will be more Lightly to be sown with the same spirit and attitude?

Look who's mocking him here? brother Luke

Luk 9:54And when his disciples James and John saw [this], they said, Lord, wilt thou that we command fire to come down from heaven, and consume them, even as Elias did?

Luk 9:55But he turned, and rebuked them, and said, Ye know not what manner of spirit ye are of.
Luk 9:56For the Son of man is not come to destroy men's lives, but to save [them]. And they went to another village.

These tittle taters….pimp on each other…No example to be taken seriously.

[charity]

This is so christian, don't trick yourself that John is not interested in calling fire down from heaven,  any Man that agree with his gos-pill, will be more Lightly to be sown with the same spirit and attitude?

Look who's mocking him here? brother Luke

Luk 9:54And when his disciples James and John saw [this], they said, Lord, wilt thou that we command fire to come down from heaven, and consume them, even as Elias did?

Luk 9:55But he turned, and rebuked them, and said, Ye know not what manner of spirit ye are of.
Luk 9:56For the Son of man is not come to destroy men's lives, but to save [them]. And they went to another village.

These tittle taters….pimp on each other…No example to be taken seriously.

[NickHassan]

Quote (charity @ Sep. 28 2008,21:33)

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Sep. 28 2008,21:24) Hi charity, Would you mock the Spirit of God-such has cost lives?[acts 5] The testimony of Jesus Christ too is the Spirit of the prophets.[Rev 19] The prophets struggled to discern what the Spirit of Christ was showing them.[1peter1] The Rock water with the desert dwellers was as the Spirit of Christ in God refreshing them.[1Cor 10] All of God among men is by His Spirit. Yes I am Happy to mock the verily verily, Man, because verily verily he mocks Jesus, And his pen is mightier than the sword, and his power is… the truth is whatever you get other people to believe.

Hi charity,
John served.
We cannot disavow his words of service.
Doing so rejects the Spirit of God beautifully expressed in him.

[NickHassan]

Quote (charity @ Sep. 28 2008,21:33)

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Sep. 28 2008,21:24) Hi charity, Would you mock the Spirit of God-such has cost lives?[acts 5] The testimony of Jesus Christ too is the Spirit of the prophets.[Rev 19] The prophets struggled to discern what the Spirit of Christ was showing them.[1peter1] The Rock water with the desert dwellers was as the Spirit of Christ in God refreshing them.[1Cor 10] All of God among men is by His Spirit. Yes I am Happy to mock the verily verily, Man, because verily verily he mocks Jesus, And his pen is mightier than the sword, and his power is… the truth is whatever you get other people to believe.

Hi charity,
John served.
We cannot disavow his words of service.
Doing so rejects the Spirit of God beautifully expressed in him.

[NickHassan]

Hi charity,
So Luke was carnal?
That's three rejected.
Who are you to judge them?

[NickHassan]

Hi charity,
So Luke was carnal?
That's three rejected.
Who are you to judge them?

[NickHassan]

Hi charity,
None of the brothers was baptised in the Spirit of Christ until Pentecost.

[NickHassan]

Hi charity,
None of the brothers was baptised in the Spirit of Christ until Pentecost.

[GeneBalthrop]

Nick….None of the brothers were converted either they were still carnal right?, until the baptism if the Spirit and Fire. So there water baptism did nothing for them did it, but their Spiritual Baptism did right. There ministry did not truly even start until they received power from on High, they did not get that from getting wet following the old testament commands of cleanings. They got it from being in that room when God poured it out on them. One baptism only cleans the outside the other cleanses the inside. “Makes you first the inside of the cup clean that the out side may be clean also. Anyone with God's spirit should already know these things. IMO

[GeneBalthrop]

Nick….None of the brothers were converted either they were still carnal right?, until the baptism if the Spirit and Fire. So there water baptism did nothing for them did it, but their Spiritual Baptism did right. There ministry did not truly even start until they received power from on High, they did not get that from getting wet following the old testament commands of cleanings. They got it from being in that room when God poured it out on them. One baptism only cleans the outside the other cleanses the inside. “Makes you first the inside of the cup clean that the out side may be clean also. Anyone with God's spirit should already know these things. IMO

[NickHassan]

GB,
Were the brothers washed in water or by the Word? [jn15]
One baptism does not make others unnecessary.
The cup must be cleansed to be fit to hold the holy treasure.

But the baptism in the Spirit only controls those submit and who do not quench or grieve that Spirit.

Peter showed evidence of the Spirit of God revealing matters to him
but was still found to be influenced also by the adversary.

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