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Hi,
As far as the poll goes the answer is no.But we preach the way of Jesus-the REST
and not just hoping for the mercy of God.
Heb4
Quote (Not3in1 @ July 01 2008,16:43) Bro Gene, I'm assuming that the poll is for water baptism, but I could be wrong? It just seems like that is the topic of conversation – do all need to be water baptized before they receive salvation? I say no.
I'm doing OK, thanks for asking. Dan's “recovery” is going slow and I feel our relationship dying rather than being saved. But I'm trying not to lose hope. I just feel like I have done (and continue to do) all that I can. I suppose I could write a book on how to love and care for your man!
But I cannot compete with with the bottle….
Yes this is for water baptism. I though I was the only one who voted yes to it…Quote (Not3in1 @ July 01 2008,16:43) Bro Gene, I'm assuming that the poll is for water baptism, but I could be wrong? It just seems like that is the topic of conversation – do all need to be water baptized before they receive salvation? I say no.
I'm doing OK, thanks for asking. Dan's “recovery” is going slow and I feel our relationship dying rather than being saved. But I'm trying not to lose hope. I just feel like I have done (and continue to do) all that I can. I suppose I could write a book on how to love and care for your man!
But I cannot compete with with the bottle….
Yes this is for water baptism. I though I was the only one who voted yes to it…To all….being we were talking about the difference between water and spiritual baptism I thought the question was one of Baptism in general. I don't know who started this poll but it should have been made clearer epically since we were debating the two types of baptisms.
To all….being we were talking about the difference between water and spiritual baptism I thought the question was one of Baptism in general. I don't know who started this poll but it should have been made clearer epically since we were debating the two types of baptisms.
Nick…..I know you are here to oversee things for this site but (PLEASE) try to be more patient with us and don't assume we are bible illiterates and don't know what we are talking about, most here have a far more knowledge of God's Word then most people. I have been studying scriptures for over 45 years of my life and study Greek texts and Jewish texts and listened to and read thousands of articles and heard thousands of sermons and discussed may of these subject with others and still do have people over and talk about bible subjects, I am no beginner. By saying this i am not saying there are lots of things i don't know because i know there is.
So please don't take what i am saying wrong.
peace……….gene
Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 01 2008,18:56) Quote (Not3in1 @ July 01 2008,16:43) Bro Gene, I'm assuming that the poll is for water baptism, but I could be wrong? It just seems like that is the topic of conversation – do all need to be water baptized before they receive salvation? I say no.
I'm doing OK, thanks for asking. Dan's “recovery” is going slow and I feel our relationship dying rather than being saved. But I'm trying not to lose hope. I just feel like I have done (and continue to do) all that I can. I suppose I could write a book on how to love and care for your man!
But I cannot compete with with the bottle….
Hi not3,
Alcoholism is a form of idolatry.
Could I suggest you pray against this aspect
and bind the controlling spirit in the name of Yahshua.
Hi Nick,I'll give this a try, thank you. It sure can't hurt, I've tried everything else. I'm weary from trying…….
Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 01 2008,18:56) Quote (Not3in1 @ July 01 2008,16:43) Bro Gene, I'm assuming that the poll is for water baptism, but I could be wrong? It just seems like that is the topic of conversation – do all need to be water baptized before they receive salvation? I say no.
I'm doing OK, thanks for asking. Dan's “recovery” is going slow and I feel our relationship dying rather than being saved. But I'm trying not to lose hope. I just feel like I have done (and continue to do) all that I can. I suppose I could write a book on how to love and care for your man!
But I cannot compete with with the bottle….
Hi not3,
Alcoholism is a form of idolatry.
Could I suggest you pray against this aspect
and bind the controlling spirit in the name of Yahshua.
Hi Nick,I'll give this a try, thank you. It sure can't hurt, I've tried everything else. I'm weary from trying…….
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ July 02 2008,04:33) Adam……then i would like to change my vote to NO. How can that be done?
Supergeek,It is clear that many mature Christians here do not believe that water baptism is necessary for salvation.
Has no one given you anything that you can use?
Is the idea that the water is symbolism not a good idea? Jesus uses water as an example of washing a few times. He talks about cleaning the outside of the cup, he talks about how water washes away dirt, he says we should wash one another's feet…… He says we are born of water (flesh) and *need to* be born again of the Spirit.
I agree with Gene that the baptism that comes from heaven is the one that is necessary for salvation. We must be born again of the Spirit. John's baptism was paving the way for Jesus to be the life-giving spirit which was poured on all who *believed*. I'm convinced this is why the thief on the cross was able to receive the invitation to paradise from the Lord. The thief believed who Jesus was and Jesus was becoming a life-giving spirit as his blood was being poured out.
Jesus' life-giving spirit is still being poured out today!
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ July 02 2008,04:33) Adam……then i would like to change my vote to NO. How can that be done?
Supergeek,It is clear that many mature Christians here do not believe that water baptism is necessary for salvation.
Has no one given you anything that you can use?
Is the idea that the water is symbolism not a good idea? Jesus uses water as an example of washing a few times. He talks about cleaning the outside of the cup, he talks about how water washes away dirt, he says we should wash one another's feet…… He says we are born of water (flesh) and *need to* be born again of the Spirit.
I agree with Gene that the baptism that comes from heaven is the one that is necessary for salvation. We must be born again of the Spirit. John's baptism was paving the way for Jesus to be the life-giving spirit which was poured on all who *believed*. I'm convinced this is why the thief on the cross was able to receive the invitation to paradise from the Lord. The thief believed who Jesus was and Jesus was becoming a life-giving spirit as his blood was being poured out.
Jesus' life-giving spirit is still being poured out today!
Quote (gollamudi @ July 02 2008,03:59) So finally you agree with Gene that the one baptism is the Baptism in the Spirit?
Hi Gm,
No.
Jesus baptises in the Spirit.
Men cannot be sure the Spirit they have is the Holy Spirit. 1Jn4
1Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.2Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:
3And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
4Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.
The three witnesses are necessary
1Jn5
7For there are three that testify:8the Spirit and the water and the blood; and the three are in agreement.
Religious and divination spirits constantly confuse men.
Acts 16
16And it came to pass, as we went to prayer, a certain damsel possessed with a spirit of divination met us, which brought her masters much gain by soothsaying:17The same followed Paul and us, and cried, saying, These men are the servants of the most high God, which shew unto us the way of salvation.
Quote (Not3in1 @ July 02 2008,05:05) Quote (Gene Balthrop @ July 02 2008,04:33) Adam……then i would like to change my vote to NO. How can that be done?
Supergeek,It is clear that many mature Christians here do not believe that water baptism is necessary for salvation.
Has no one given you anything that you can use?
Is the idea that the water is symbolism not a good idea? Jesus uses water as an example of washing a few times. He talks about cleaning the outside of the cup, he talks about how water washes away dirt, he says we should wash one another's feet…… He says we are born of water (flesh) and *need to* be born again of the Spirit.
I agree with Gene that the baptism that comes from heaven is the one that is necessary for salvation. We must be born again of the Spirit. John's baptism was paving the way for Jesus to be the life-giving spirit which was poured on all who *believed*. I'm convinced this is why the thief on the cross was able to receive the invitation to paradise from the Lord. The thief believed who Jesus was and Jesus was becoming a life-giving spirit as his blood was being poured out.
Jesus' life-giving spirit is still being poured out today!
1.) Are you calling me immature?2.) No. No one here has given me anything that I can use.
3.) None of you have yet to cite one verse that says it is a symbol…
Quote (Not3in1 @ July 02 2008,05:05) Quote (Gene Balthrop @ July 02 2008,04:33) Adam……then i would like to change my vote to NO. How can that be done?
Supergeek,It is clear that many mature Christians here do not believe that water baptism is necessary for salvation.
Has no one given you anything that you can use?
Is the idea that the water is symbolism not a good idea? Jesus uses water as an example of washing a few times. He talks about cleaning the outside of the cup, he talks about how water washes away dirt, he says we should wash one another's feet…… He says we are born of water (flesh) and *need to* be born again of the Spirit.
I agree with Gene that the baptism that comes from heaven is the one that is necessary for salvation. We must be born again of the Spirit. John's baptism was paving the way for Jesus to be the life-giving spirit which was poured on all who *believed*. I'm convinced this is why the thief on the cross was able to receive the invitation to paradise from the Lord. The thief believed who Jesus was and Jesus was becoming a life-giving spirit as his blood was being poured out.
Jesus' life-giving spirit is still being poured out today!
1.) Are you calling me immature?2.) No. No one here has given me anything that I can use.
3.) None of you have yet to cite one verse that says it is a symbol…
GHi not3,
The symbol of the washing of the feet seems to be of forgiveness.
Water baptism is also a plea for that divine forgiveness.
We should not assume the forgiveness of God.
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