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Nick….I was just coming from your point of view not mine. Your the one who thinks by yours own choices and actions you make it , not me.
I believe all will Make it because of who God the Father is, not by their own self reliance in their own ability to freely choose what right on their own.
Lets don't get confused here on who saying what.
Hi GB,
If you do not believe in Satan and do not believe in the kingdom of Darkness
and do not believe we need to pray for the will of God to be done on earth as it is in heaven
then no wonder you think we are all helpless puppets with no choices available to us and God will save all.Nick……first of all what you said is coming from you mouth not mine, i believe there is all kinds of Satan's even you at times and even me at times and even Peter at times. Do I believe there is one Satan (NO) I DON”T>
when did I ever say we do not need to pray for the Will of God to be Done on earth as in Heaven. I never ever even suggested such a thing . And when did I say we are Helpless puppets, No it's you who thinks your a (I) God and able choose your own salvation and able to qualify yourself. I simply say good luck your going to need it. I believe God guides and direct all His children choices as well as Jesus' also, you can do it any way you want it up to you, your problem not mine.
I personally would rater have you not commit on anything say, seeing you can't represent it properly, and have to twist what i say, and project my opinions on them. When in fact it you distorted views of what i am saying, your projecting.
Colossians 3:12-14
Therefore, as God's chosen people, holy and dearly loved, clothe yoursevles with compassion, kindness, humility, gentleness and patience.
Bear with each other and forgive whatever grievances you may have against one another.
Forgive as the Lord forgave you.
And over all these virtues put on love, which binds them all together in perfect unity.
True. But they cannot be saved through their belief. Salvation is of faith (2 Tim 3:15).
There are many equations for salvation found in the bible, very few include water baptism. Very few.
True. But they cannot be saved through their belief. Salvation is of faith (2 Tim 3:15).
There are many equations for salvation found in the bible, very few include water baptism. Very few.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 28 2008,08:54) Hi GM,
Was Peter lying when he said we are?
You confuse our rebirth with our promised resurrection.
We have already the downpayment on our salvation in being born of the Spirit.Eph 1
12That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ.13In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
Hi Nick,
You are again changing the context and say you are right, in fact we were debating about Jesus' words to Nicodemus and now you started referring 1 Pet 1:23 and say you want to prove your water Baptism, like that I can also refer many things to you, as if they have already happened see Col 3:11 “Therefore if you be risen with Christ, seek the things that are above, where Christ is sitting at the right hand of God”
So with this you imagine you have already resurrected, you should understand that they are in resemblance of what is going to happen in future. One more verse in Eph 2:5-6
5 “even when we were dead in our transgressions, brought us to life with Christ (by grace you have been saved),
6 raised us up with him, and seated us with him in the heavens in Christ Jesus”This means we are already sitting with Christ in heaven. I think you are the one misinterpreting scriptures to prove your water Baptism. I believe there is only one baptism that saves us is the Baptism in the Spirit through which we are reborn or regenerated in spirit and mind to follow the predetermind path set by God our Father (Eph 2:10)
10 “For we are his handiwork, created in Christ Jesus for the good works that God has prepared in advance, that we should live in them”
Please don't bother me further if don't agree with these understandings.
Thanks
AdamHi not3,
Looking at the Handbook of Acts were there any that believed that were not baptised in water?
Has anything changed?
Acts 2
38Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.39For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the LORD our God shall call.
Some would say this work was done in ignorance but it is them who are deceived I fear.
Hi not3,
Looking at the Handbook of Acts were there any that believed that were not baptised in water?
Has anything changed?
Acts 2
38Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.39For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the LORD our God shall call.
Some would say this work was done in ignorance but it is them who are deceived I fear.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 28 2008,14:36) Has anything changed?
Do we need water now for the remission of sins? Or is Jesus' blood good enough?If water could save us, Jesus could have married and moved into the burbs and raised a family…….
Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 28 2008,14:36) Has anything changed?
Do we need water now for the remission of sins? Or is Jesus' blood good enough?If water could save us, Jesus could have married and moved into the burbs and raised a family…….
Nick…..Let me one more time say (ALL) will be Saved. “for every mans work will be tested, it he has build with Gold Silver or precious stone, he will receive a reward, if he has built with hay, straw, or stubble,he shall suffer loss, If any mans work is burned he shall suffer loss But He himself shall be saved (YET) as by Fire (intense Judgment)
All may not be saved in the first resurrection because all are not to be in the first resurrection. But all will be in the second resurrection. because God did not create His creation to be destroyed . Everyones work will be tried by Fire(intense Judgment) now and later also intense Judgment is required for all of Gods children. Judgment begins at the house of God , those in the household of God are being judgment now.
Hi GB,
The words you quote are written to the saved.
1Cor1
1Paul called to be an apostle of Jesus Christ through the will of God, and Sosthenes our brother,2Unto the church of God which is at Corinth, to them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints, with all that in every place call upon the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both their's and our's:
3Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ.
The works of the world are useless to the kingdom of God. SOME indeed find they are sheep in the second resurrection, much to their surprise[mt25]. SOME however are found to be GOATS and their hopes for salvation are indeed dim.
Hi not3,
Has anything changed since Peter spoke at Pentecost?
Or has he changed his mind since writing his first letter?
That inner washing of the conscience is by the blood.1Peter3
21Corresponding to that, baptism now saves you–not the removal of dirt from the flesh, but an appeal to God for a good conscience–through the resurrection of Jesus Christ,Hebrews 9:14
How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?Revelation 1:5
And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,Revelation 7:14
And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.Hi not3,
Has anything changed since Peter spoke at Pentecost?
Or has he changed his mind since writing his first letter?
That inner washing of the conscience is by the blood.1Peter3
21Corresponding to that, baptism now saves you–not the removal of dirt from the flesh, but an appeal to God for a good conscience–through the resurrection of Jesus Christ,Hebrews 9:14
How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?Revelation 1:5
And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,Revelation 7:14
And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.Quote (Gene Balthrop @ June 28 2008,13:27) Nick……first of all what you said is coming from you mouth not mine, i believe there is all kinds of Satan's even you at times and even me at times and even Peter at times. Do I believe there is one Satan (NO) I DON”T> when did I ever say we do not need to pray for the Will of God to be Done on earth as in Heaven. I never ever even suggested such a thing . And when did I say we are Helpless puppets, No it's you who thinks your a (I) God and able choose your own salvation and able to qualify yourself. I simply say good luck your going to need it. I believe God guides and direct all His children choices as well as Jesus' also, you can do it any way you want it up to you, your problem not mine.
I personally would rater have you not commit on anything say, seeing you can't represent it properly, and have to twist what i say, and project my opinions on them. When in fact it you distorted views of what i am saying, your projecting.
Nick..brings up a valid point tho brother GB…why pray for the will of GOd to be done if there is no “choice”?
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