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Hi GB,
One swallow does not make a summer.
Can you provide supporting proofs that would state that the only baptism now is of the Spirit?2Cor 13
1This is the third time I am coming to you. In the mouth of two or three witnesses shall every word be established.Hi GB,
The Spirit was guiding them in other ways too.
Acts 16:6
Now when they had gone throughout Phrygia and the region of Galatia, and were forbidden of the Holy Ghost to preach the word in Asia,Should they have gone into Asia?
Nick and Gen Is Water Baptism not the outward sign that you are washing yourself clean? Is it important? Who defines that. What is tho important that we receive God's Holy Spirit, and we receive that by laying on of a Ministers Hands. Gen am I remembering right where you not in the W.W.C. of God too? The Minister in that Church did so, but when I went to my Son's Baptizm in the Baptist Church the Minister did not lay Hands on Him.
So which way is important and which is not?
Peace ad Love IreneHi Irene,
I think we should be guided by scripture.
Acts is a very clear model and we should listen to God's Spirit teaching through it.Irene…… I was baptized in the baptist church when i was 21 years old, I knew my life was sinful and that i needed help From God to change my life, i knew i needed the Holy Spirit to help me, and being convicted of my sins i went in front of the church and confessed i was a sinner and wanted to be baptized, they had this baptism pool on stage in front of every one and the next Sunday i was baptized and i expected to feel the Holy Spirit come into me after i was baptized, but there was nothing i Just got wet and i was totally sincere ,i left that church that day and never went back. About ten years latter i had been studying the wwcg material some, my Dad really believed it was the (TRUE) church of God,. God was beginning to do all kinds of miracles in my life at that time and some ministers of the church were visiting my Dad and he sent them over to my house and they invited me to services and i went and soon was re baptized again and i again felt nothing, but when the elders laid hands on me and prayed over me I Felt the Holy Spirit come onto me.
One thing i did i studied the scriptures and after about seven years i began to see their false teachings on several subjects and had some very long and sincere talks with the ministry over the tithing and when they said they as well as all the higher church ministers knew the new testament church was not tithing and it was not commanded that they should. I ask them why were they telling people that if they did not tithe that they were going to Hell then.
the response was Mr Armstrong As the “ONLY” apostle on earth had that power to make those rules. They were lying and they knew it, so i quite and ever since I Just study on my own and have learned more then i ever learned from any church organization i have ever been in my life.Irene if you get a chance go to L. Ray Smiths web site and download His audio on church government, Mr smith was a top minister in the church back in those days and you will be shocked at what was going on then, believe me its a ear full.
Love and peace to you……..gene
Nick…..can you say yes the scripture you posted does say (ONE BAPTISM) can you say that and as you say in the mouth of two or three witness let every word be established then. That scripture you never acknowledged even through it was posted by me two or three time and by others also. And you never acknowledged all the other scriptures we gave you either, come on Nick it all about you getting your way, you could care less about truth if you ask me. I am not the only one who has had all these problems with you everyone here has.
Just drop it Ok…….gene
Hi GB,
Would you place Paul in the position of arguing with himself?
If he was wrong where did he say so?Hi GB,
Scripture seems to say the apostles were filled with the Holy Spirit.
Acts 2
1And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place.2And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting.
3And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them.
4And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.
But they blundered their way through the rest of the book??
Hi Gb,.
Paul was released by God from prison and witnessed to the jailor and then baptised them.
Acts 16
30And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved?31And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.
32And they spake unto him the word of the Lord, and to all that were in his house.
33And he took them the same hour of the night, and washed their stripes; and was baptized, he and all his, straightway.
Was his message wrong as well?
Hi GB,
Paul laid hands on some folk and they too received the Holy Spirit.Acts 19
4Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.5When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
6And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.
But he was misled despite being an instrument for God in giving them the Spirit?
Nick……..Paul and all the apostles were baptized with Holy Spirit that's why they could do the things they did. It had nothing to do with water baptism . Every thing you mentioned was the Spirit at work in them, not water baptism at work in them.
I agree with Paul there is (ONE BAPTISM) That counts and thats Baptism of the SPIRIT< i will trust in that and you can trust in your water baptism if you want to, thats your choice.
Nick……..it's just a wast of time talking with you about this, lets just agree to disagree OK>
gene
Hey brothers..I thought we already agreed earlier in this thread that there is nothing wrong with water baptism as long as you recognize its the baptism in the spirit that saves….
Why are we turning over old stones?
Gen and Nick! Don't you both agree that this argument is senseless. We all agree that it is important to receive the Holy Spirit, because without the Holy of God we could not understand the things of God, it says. So lets come to the unity of all, we are all the Children of our Father who is in Heaven. Praise our God forever.
Peace and Love forever Irene
P.S. I can't wait to meet all when Christ returns. Who knows it could be soon. I would really like to see you Nick say something nice to all, you are always so dry. You know that God is Love and I also believe we all should show that Love to others. Even in what we write. That is why I love Mandy so much, you can tell how much She loves all mankind. And I believe we should too.Quote (dirtyknections @ June 20 2008,03:01) Hey brothers..I thought we already agreed earlier in this thread that there is nothing wrong with water baptism as long as you recognize its the baptism in the spirit that saves…. Why are we turning over old stones?
I was just writing when you posted before I did. Interesting, God's Holy Spirit at work.
Peace and Love IreneQuote (dirtyknections @ June 20 2008,03:01) Hey brothers..I thought we already agreed earlier in this thread that there is nothing wrong with water baptism as long as you recognize its the baptism in the spirit that saves…. Why are we turning over old stones?
I agree with you brother DKQuote (dirtyknections @ June 20 2008,03:01) Hey brothers..I thought we already agreed earlier in this thread that there is nothing wrong with water baptism as long as you recognize its the baptism in the spirit that saves…. Why are we turning over old stones?
Hi DK,
Is this written?Quote (Gene Balthrop @ June 20 2008,02:30) Nick……..Paul and all the apostles were baptized with Holy Spirit that's why they could do the things they did. It had nothing to do with water baptism . Every thing you mentioned was the Spirit at work in them, not water baptism at work in them. I agree with Paul there is (ONE BAPTISM) That counts and thats Baptism of the SPIRIT< i will trust in that and you can trust in your water baptism if you want to, thats your choice.
Nick……..it's just a wast of time talking with you about this, lets just agree to disagree OK>
gene
Hi GB,
Why do you equate miracles alone with proof of salvation?
Many will claim such but he says he does not know them.
Scripture says there are three that testify.1jn5
5Who is the one who overcomes the world, but he who believes that Jesus is the Son of God?6This is the One who came by water and blood, Jesus Christ; not with the water only, but with the water and with the blood It is the Spirit who testifies, because the Spirit is the truth.
7For there are three that testify:
8the Spirit and the water and the blood; and the three are in agreement.
at you
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