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Wakeup,
Even by your teaching the thief was not immersed in the holy spirit.
I also referred to the fact Nicodemus, who was a master of Israel, should have know what Jesus was speaking about.
Wakeup……… We wash our Physical bodies with Water, and our Spirits are washed with Spirit. They both work to do the same thing , So if we are told to be Baptized with water for a symbol of our Faith, in the blood of Jesus, that we might receive the Holy Spirit, which begins to cleanse our Spirits, why do you find that not right then? are we not commanded, everyone of us, to be Baptized? John baptized with water , and Jesus with the Holy Spirit, that is true, but both are required to fulfill what is required.
Why did Jesus himself be baptized iif it was not to fulfill the righteousness of the law. He first was Baptized and then the Spirit descended on him and remained there, and then he went out and began his work to preach the Gospel of the kingdom of God, none of that happened before he was Baptized and the HOLY SPIRIT came upon Him and a voice from heaven said Thou art My SON “THIS DAY” I have “BEGOTTEN” YOU, that was not said before his Baptism at the Jordan.
peace and love to you and yours……………………………….gene
BeneB..
You obviously have not read my Post
and answers to Nick.
I am not GAINST BAPTISM.
I am against calling it BORN AGAIN.wakeup.
Hi WU,
But your posts are largely of your opinion,strongly expressed, even shouted,
and you show scant respect for the source of true knowledge, the Word.Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 30 2014,01:26) Wakeup, Even by your teaching the thief was not immersed in the holy spirit.
I also referred to the fact Nicodemus, who was a master of Israel, should have know what Jesus was speaking about.
Kerwin.The thief will get to paradise by promise.
He will be there in the flesh.wakeup.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 30 2014,05:18) Hi WU,
But your posts are largely of your opinion,strongly expressed, even shouted,
and you show scant respect for the source of true knowledge, the Word.
Nick.You are a christian,and should have patience and be slow to anger. The large letters were not meant to shout.
Some have poor eyesight.Some see but not perceive.That does not mean that I was angry,nor have no respect.
You have perceived it that way.
I dont get angree discussing scriptures.
I dont expect everyone to agree with me,and that's fine.
All I am doing is just display the picture out there for everyone to see.You can splash all sorts of paint on it as you please.
wakeup.
Matthew 21:25
***The baptism of John, whence was it? from heaven, or of
men***?
And they reasoned with themselves, saying, If we shall say, From heaven; he will say unto us, Why did ye not then believe him?Well was it from heaven or of men?
wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Mar. 30 2014,03:59) Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 30 2014,01:26) Wakeup, Even by your teaching the thief was not immersed in the holy spirit.
I also referred to the fact Nicodemus, who was a master of Israel, should have know what Jesus was speaking about.
Kerwin.The thief will get to paradise by promise.
He will be there in the flesh.wakeup.
Wakeup,The paradise Jesus was speaking to the thief about was the paradise of the land of the dead. It is also called Abraham's bosom, a part of Hell, as Luke 16:23 verifies. Only souls reside there. When Jesus meant the thief in paradise Jesus' body laid in his burial ground. Souls are composed of spirit.
The thief believed Jesus was innocent of all sin and so saw it unjust that he was put to death. In short he believe Jesus was the Christ.
Nicodemus had an advantage over the thief as he would not die before he could be immersed and have a change of spirit. Each was judged according to the situation they found themselves in. There are at least two Scripture speak of this idea. Luke 12:28 and Romans 2:12-15.
Quote (Wakeup @ Mar. 30 2014,04:11) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 30 2014,05:18) Hi WU,
But your posts are largely of your opinion,strongly expressed, even shouted,
and you show scant respect for the source of true knowledge, the Word.
Nick.You are a christian,and should have patience and be slow to anger. The large letters were not meant to shout.
Some have poor eyesight.Some see but not perceive.That does not mean that I was angry,nor have no respect.
You have perceived it that way.
I dont get angree discussing scriptures.
I dont expect everyone to agree with me,and that's fine.
All I am doing is just display the picture out there for everyone to see.You can splash all sorts of paint on it as you please.
wakeup.
Wakeup,Avoid using capitals for emphasis as they mean shouting. Instead use bold or italics.
Quote (Wakeup @ Mar. 30 2014,04:59) Matthew 21:25 ***The baptism of John, whence was it? from heaven, or of
men***?
And they reasoned with themselves, saying, If we shall say, From heaven; he will say unto us, Why did ye not then believe him?Well was it from heaven or of men?
wakeup.
Wakeup,Scripture states John came from above and therefore not from below.
Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 30 2014,05:35) Quote (Wakeup @ Mar. 30 2014,04:59) Matthew 21:25 ***The baptism of John, whence was it? from heaven, or of
men***?
And they reasoned with themselves, saying, If we shall say, From heaven; he will say unto us, Why did ye not then believe him?Well was it from heaven or of men?
wakeup.
Wakeup,Scripture states John came from above and therefore not from below.
kJOHN THE BAPTIST WAS FROM EARTH BUT SEND FORTH FROM ABOVE
JESUS CHRIST CAME FROM ABOVE AND IN DO TIME WAS SEND TO JOHN TO BE BAPTIZED (BEGINNING OF HIS FULL DEVOTION TO HIS FATHER )
HE WAS SEND FROM GOD HIMSELF BECAUSE THAT IS WHERE HE WAS BEFORE HE TOOK THE COVER OF FLESH
Quote (Wakeup @ Mar. 30 2014,09:59) Matthew 21:25 ***The baptism of John, whence was it? from heaven, or of
men***?
And they reasoned with themselves, saying, If we shall say, From heaven; he will say unto us, Why did ye not then believe him?Well was it from heaven or of men?
wakeup.
Hi WU,
Why do you also not believe?Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 30 2014,10:31) Quote (Wakeup @ Mar. 30 2014,03:59) Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 30 2014,01:26) Wakeup, Even by your teaching the thief was not immersed in the holy spirit.
I also referred to the fact Nicodemus, who was a master of Israel, should have know what Jesus was speaking about.
Kerwin.The thief will get to paradise by promise.
He will be there in the flesh.wakeup.
Wakeup,The paradise Jesus was speaking to the thief about was the paradise of the land of the dead. It is also called Abraham's bosom, a part of Hell, as Luke 16:23 verifies. Only souls reside there. When Jesus meant the thief in paradise Jesus' body laid in his burial ground. Souls are composed of spirit.
The thief believed Jesus was innocent of all sin and so saw it unjust that he was put to death. In short he believe Jesus was the Christ.
Nicodemus had an advantage over the thief as he would not die before he could be immersed and have a change of spirit. Each was judged according to the situation they found themselves in. There are at least two Scripture speak of this idea. Luke 12:28 and Romans 2:12-15.
Kerwin.Paradise of the dead:that is something new.
Do the lions eat straw there ,and do they build Houses?
And will they live up to a hundred years?Jesus tomb was paradise you say??
Jesus did not explain things deeply to Nicodemus.
For a reason.He was a ruler of pharisees.wakeup.
Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 30 2014,05:55) Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 30 2014,05:35) Quote (Wakeup @ Mar. 30 2014,04:59) Matthew 21:25 ***The baptism of John, whence was it? from heaven, or of
men***?
And they reasoned with themselves, saying, If we shall say, From heaven; he will say unto us, Why did ye not then believe him?Well was it from heaven or of men?
wakeup.
Wakeup,Scripture states John came from above and therefore not from below.
kJOHN THE BAPTIST WAS FROM EARTH BUT SEND FORTH FROM ABOVE
JESUS CHRIST CAME FROM ABOVE AND IN DO TIME WAS SEND TO JOHN TO BE BAPTIZED (BEGINNING OF HIS FULL DEVOTION TO HIS FATHER )
HE WAS SEND FROM GOD HIMSELF BECAUSE THAT IS WHERE HE WAS BEFORE HE TOOK THE COVER OF FLESH
T,I know that you give a different meaning to the word come or its derivatives and words with similar meanings when applied to Jesus as to when it is applied to others.
Some of your misunderstanding is possibly due to the fact that certain biased translators have made some passages harder to understand than they originally were.
Wakeup,
Quote Paradise of the dead:that is something new. No it is nowhere near new. It has been taught for thousands of years but some are ignorant due to heretical teaching and passages that are made harder to understand by corrupt or ignorant translators and interpreters.
Anybody with eyes open can see that Jesus tells us Lazarus went to the paradise side of the land of the dead after death and the rich man went to the side of torment.
The Parable tells you that Lazarus went to Abraham's bosom where he was comforted. In other words it a place of paradise. I am not sure that it is the garden of Eden, which is said by some to reside in the third heaven. I do know that Scripture states Jesus' soul was in Hell that day and the place of the dead is one of the places the KJV translators put that label on. So given the thief and Jesus were in hell that day then they either meant on the side of comfort or the side of torment. The side of comfort is a paradise. After all paradise is “a garden, a pleasure ground”.
wu,
Quote Jesus did not explain things deeply to Nicodemus.
For a reason.He was a ruler of pharisees.Jesus did not tell Nicodemus anything that he should not of already known and some of those that call themselves Jews still teach the same things to this day even though they do not come to Jesus.
WU,
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Jesus tomb was paradise you say??I do not think the AV of the KJV messes up the passage so much you cannot understand Jesus' body was one place while his soul was in another.
Acts 2:27
Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)27 because thou wilt not leave my soul in hell, neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.
Scripture declares God will not leave Jesus' soul in hell. Jesus' tomb is not hell, nor was it in hell.
Hi KW,
I believe DEATH AND HADES in rev 20 speak of two places where souls await judgement“13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 31 2014,10:26) Wakeup, Quote Paradise of the dead:that is something new. No it is nowhere near new. It has been taught for thousands of years but some are ignorant due to heretical teaching and passages that are made harder to understand by corrupt or ignorant translators and interpreters.
Anybody with eyes open can see that Jesus tells us Lazarus went to the paradise side of the land of the dead after death and the rich man went to the side of torment.
The Parable tells you that Lazarus went to Abraham's bosom where he was comforted. In other words it a place of paradise. I am not sure that it is the garden of Eden, which is said by some to reside in the third heaven. I do know that Scripture states Jesus' soul was in Hell that day and the place of the dead is one of the places the KJV translators put that label on. So given the thief and Jesus were in hell that day then they either meant on the side of comfort or the side of torment. The side of comfort is a paradise. After all paradise is “a garden, a pleasure ground”.
Kerwin.The story of Lazarus going to paradise was a parable.
Just as the wheat and the tares,and many parables.But there will be a real pardise;a thousand year paradise. The jews brought back,and the thief will be there.
And Job will be there too,in the flesh.Ez.37.Jesus went to hell: His tomb for three days.
He was resurrected on the third day.Not the same day He died.
And He said to mary;touch me not, for
***I have not gone to the Father***.The thief is still in his grave today untill his grave will be opened at the coming.
There is no time of waiting for the dead.
The day he died is today for him.
One day or two thousand years is still the same day he died
for him.
The dead dont know that today is the year 2014.
Or do they??wakeup.
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