Is baptism needed for salvation?

[kerwin]

Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 06 2014,08:43)

Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 06 2014,08:40) Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 06 2014,02:41) Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 05 2014,22:41) T, Quote Mt 5:3 “Blessed are the (humble) in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. Mt 5:5 Blessed are the meek, for they will inherit the earth. Jesus is mentioning two different places that people that believe in him will go ;heaven  and earth Are you sure as it is written: Matthew 6:10 American Standard Version (ASV) 10 Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done, as in heaven, so on earth. K does those scriptures not teach you anything T, It teaches me that the kingdom of heaven will come to be on earth as it already is in heaven. K who are the MEEK ONES THAT WILL RECEIVE THE EARTH AND WHO ARE THE HUMBLE IN SPIRIT THAT WILL BE IN HEAVEN

T,

1) If you are not poor in spirit you will not be filled with righteousness.
2) Meekness without righteousness will get you nowhere.
3) Not all those that mound will inherit the kingdom of God.  It is only those who hunger and thirst for righteousness that will as others love darkness more than righteousness.
4) Those that are merciful will obey the law of righteousness for it is the summed up as love.
5) Those that are pure in heart are righteous.
6) The righteous make peace God and men.

In short each of the b-attitudes address individual characteristics of those that God calls.

[NickHassan]

Hi T,
The kingdom of heaven is the kingdom of God.
The meek and the humble will be in the same place-earth

[Wakeup]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 07 2014,06:49)

Hi T, The kingdom of heaven is the kingdom of God. The meek and the humble will be in the same place-earth

There are meek and humble non christians also.
They will be judged in the second resurrection.
The kingdom of God belongs to the saints only.

After the second judgement;all the *sheep* will be given a spirit body. And they also will inherit all things.
The goats will be cast in the fire where satan and his angels are. And the beast and the false prophet is: a thousand years before.

wakeup.

[journey42]

terraricca,Mar. wrote:

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k I believe that the new covenant was for the 144k only , no one else as received the promise of being part of Christ kingdom in heaven but the 144k all other will be receiving life on earth

Pierre

I'm not sure what you mean by that?
Do you mean that the 144K are in heaven now?
or will be taken to heaven first?
Can you please clarify.

The scriptures state that;
The 144k are SEALED right before the 7 trumpets blow.
The 7 trumpets blow after the mark of the beast is issued.

The angels are not allowed to harm them that are sealed (144K).
Doesn't this tell us something?
These 144k are ALIVE during this time.
They are called the FIRSTFRUITS.  

They are the true worshippers of the LAST DAYS.
and they followed the Lamb whereever he goes, so they did not eat strange flesh,
but the flesh of Christ only,
which is the full truth.
So they are only a small section of the worshippers.
There are many more worshippers also who will be changed to spirit at the coming,
but these 144K are separated from the rest because they are of the “last generation”, worshipping in truth during the most evil time ever since the beginning of creation, and we know it's harder to worship in the last days, because of all the temptation about, and lies that are spread regarding the truth.

[terraricca]

Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 07 2014,01:10)

Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 06 2014,08:43) Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 06 2014,08:40) Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 06 2014,02:41) Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 05 2014,22:41) T, Quote Mt 5:3 “Blessed are the (humble) in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. Mt 5:5 Blessed are the meek, for they will inherit the earth. Jesus is mentioning two different places that people that believe in him will go ;heaven  and earth Are you sure as it is written: Matthew 6:10 American Standard Version (ASV) 10 Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done, as in heaven, so on earth. K does those scriptures not teach you anything T, It teaches me that the kingdom of heaven will come to be on earth as it already is in heaven. K who are the MEEK ONES THAT WILL RECEIVE THE EARTH AND WHO ARE THE HUMBLE IN SPIRIT THAT WILL BE IN HEAVEN T, 1) If you are not poor in spirit you will not be filled with righteousness. 2) Meekness without righteousness will get you nowhere. 3) Not all those that mound will inherit the kingdom of God.  It is only those who hunger and thirst for righteousness that will as others love darkness more than righteousness. 4) Those that are merciful will obey the law of righteousness for it is the summed up as love. 5) Those that are pure in heart are righteous. 6) The righteous make peace God and men. In short each of the b-attitudes address individual characteristics of those that God calls.

k

and revelation 14 the 144k

are going to kill it as well

Jn 14:1 “Do not let your hearts be troubled. Trust in God; trust also in me.
Jn 14:2 In my Father’s house are many rooms; if it were not so, I would have told you. I am going there to prepare a place for you.
Jn 14:3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come back and take you to be with me that you also may be where I am.
Jn 14:4 You know the way to the place where I am going.”

and those scriptures are you going to kill them too

[terraricca]

Quote (journey42 @ Mar. 07 2014,07:55)

terraricca,Mar. wrote: [/quote] Quote k I believe that the new covenant was for the 144k only , no one else as received the promise of being part of Christ kingdom in heaven but the 144k all other will be receiving life on earth Pierre I'm not sure what you mean by that? Do you mean that the 144K are in heaven now? or will be taken to heaven first? Can you please clarify. The scriptures state that; The 144k are SEALED right before the 7 trumpets blow. The 7 trumpets blow after the mark of the beast is issued. The angels are not allowed to harm them that are sealed (144K). Doesn't this tell us something? These 144k are ALIVE during this time. They are called the FIRSTFRUITS.   They are the true worshippers of the LAST DAYS. and they followed the Lamb whereever he goes, so they did not eat strange flesh, but the flesh of Christ only, which is the full truth. So they are only a small section of the worshippers. There are many more worshippers also who will be changed to spirit at the coming, but these 144K are separated from the rest because they are of the “last generation”, worshipping in truth during the most evil time ever since the beginning of creation, and we know it's harder to worship in the last days, because of all the temptation about, and lies that are spread regarding the truth.

j42

Paul says at the last trumpet ,when that will be or as been I do not know yet

[terraricca]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 07 2014,01:49)

Hi T, The kingdom of heaven is the kingdom of God. The meek and the humble will be in the same place-earth

Nick

you are killing the scriptures

[NickHassan]

Hi T,
No just exposing your false knowledge of them.

[terraricca]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 07 2014,08:58)

Hi T, No just exposing your false knowledge of them.

Nick

it is the scriptures that I showed you that you have killed not me

[kerwin]

Quote (Wakeup @ Mar. 07 2014,07:40)

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 07 2014,06:49) Hi T, The kingdom of heaven is the kingdom of God. The meek and the humble will be in the same place-earth There are meek and humble non christians also. They will be judged in the second resurrection. The kingdom of God belongs to the saints only. After the second judgement;all the *sheep* will be given a spirit body. And they also will inherit all things. The goats will be cast in the fire where satan and his angels are. And the beast and the false prophet is: a thousand years before. wakeup.

Wakeup,

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There are meek and humble non christians also.

Don't you know that the gate is strait. The wide gate leads to destruction.

[kerwin]

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Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 07 2014,01:10) Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 06 2014,08:43) Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 06 2014,08:40) Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 06 2014,02:41) Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 05 2014,22:41) T, Quote Mt 5:3 “Blessed are the (humble) in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. Mt 5:5 Blessed are the meek, for they will inherit the earth. Jesus is mentioning two different places that people that believe in him will go ;heaven  and earth Are you sure as it is written: Matthew 6:10 American Standard Version (ASV) 10 Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done, as in heaven, so on earth. K does those scriptures not teach you anything T, It teaches me that the kingdom of heaven will come to be on earth as it already is in heaven. K who are the MEEK ONES THAT WILL RECEIVE THE EARTH AND WHO ARE THE HUMBLE IN SPIRIT THAT WILL BE IN HEAVEN T, 1) If you are not poor in spirit you will not be filled with righteousness. 2) Meekness without righteousness will get you nowhere. 3) Not all those that mound will inherit the kingdom of God.  It is only those who hunger and thirst for righteousness that will as others love darkness more than righteousness. 4) Those that are merciful will obey the law of righteousness for it is the summed up as love. 5) Those that are pure in heart are righteous. 6) The righteous make peace God and men. In short each of the b-attitudes address individual characteristics of those that God calls. k and revelation 14 the 144k are going to kill it as well Jn 14:1 “Do not let your hearts be troubled. Trust in God; trust also in me. Jn 14:2 In my Father’s house are many rooms; if it were not so, I would have told you. I am going there to prepare a place for you. Jn 14:3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come back and take you to be with me that you also may be where I am. Jn 14:4 You know the way to the place where I am going.” and those scriptures are you going to kill them too

T,

Revelations is a book of prophecy and so has much symbolism. You are adding to it if you take literally what is not literal. There is a warning about either adding or subtracting from it.

I already pointed why I understand the b-attitudes as I do and yet you do not understand. Since you do not then it seem you also do not understand that righteousness is the narrow gate and Jesus is the only way in.

[terraricca]

K

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T, Revelations is a book of prophecy and so has much symbolism. You are adding to it if you take literally what is not literal. There is a warning about either adding or subtracting from it. I already pointed why I understand the b-attitudes as I do and yet you do not understand. Since you do not then it seem you also do not understand that righteousness is the narrow gate and Jesus is the only way in.

you have not answered my question to the scriptures i presented only your opinion ,

righteousness does not mean anything if it is not does through God's hope in his only son ,for that reason you have to be taken the back seat humble yourself ,become nothing so God can make something out of you ,

now qualify the book of revelation of all symbolism is going a little to far my friend ,you deceive yourself in that .

this way of thinking come from the flesh not from the spirit ,this is your adaptation not the holy spirit one ,spirit of truth.

I do not ad anything I just quoted scriptures ;but the history of Israel tent of assignment and the temple of Solomon ,the priest hood ect .are all shadows of the real thing to come ,

[GeneBalthrop]

Terricca…………Saying you just Quote Scriptures and don't add anything, is a lie, you “constantly” add you own interpretations to them, as many do here.  When someone try's to being you to a “SPECIFIC POINT”, you simple skirt off and change subject matter, or start accusing them, of the very thing you are doing. Are you here to learn and grow together or here to just preach you form of bible to others?

Kerwin is absolutely right about the book of revelations, or haven't you read where it say an he “SIGNIFIED” it now “O WISE ONE” go and look up that word “signified” and see what it means OK. You can  not take everything in revelations in a “LITERAL” sense because it has been “SYMBOLIZED”  it is a book full of SYMBOLIC Language. There are thousands of different interpretations out there. IMO

peace and love ……………………………………..gene

[terraricca]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Mar. 07 2014,21:51)

Terricca…………Saying you just Quote Scriptures and don't add anything, is a lie, you “constantly” add you own interpretations to them, as many do here.  When someone try's to being you to a “SPECIFIC POINT”, you simple skirt off and change subject matter, or start accusing them, of the very thing you are doing. Are you here to learn and grow together or here to just preach you form of bible to others? Kerwin is absolutely right about the book of revelations, or haven't you read where it say an he “SIGNIFIED” it now “O WISE ONE” go and look up that word “signified” and see what it means OK. You can  not take everything in revelations in a “LITERAL” sense because it has been “SYMBOLIZED”  it is a book full of SYMBOLIC Language. There are thousands of different interpretations out there. IMO peace and love ……………………………………..gene

Gene

again you have big lips but little presentation beside opinions

[kerwin]

Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 07 2014,14:37)

K Quote T,   Revelations is a book of prophecy and so has much symbolism.  You are adding to it if you take literally what is not literal.  There is a warning about either adding or subtracting from it. I already pointed why I understand the b-attitudes as I do and yet you do not understand.  Since you do not then it seem you also do not understand that righteousness is the narrow gate and Jesus is the only way in. you have not answered my question to the scriptures i presented only your opinion , righteousness does not mean anything if it is not does through God's hope in his only son ,for that reason you have to be taken the back seat humble yourself ,become nothing so God can make something out of you , now qualify the book of revelation of all symbolism is going a little to far my friend ,you deceive yourself in that . this way of thinking come from the flesh not from the spirit ,this is your adaptation not the holy spirit one ,spirit of truth. I do not ad anything I just quoted scriptures ;but the history of Israel tent of assignment and the temple of Solomon ,the priest hood  ect .are all shadows of the real thing to come ,

T,  

The book of Revelations is known to contain symbolism, especially since the angel messenger chose to interpret some for John.  

I doubt you even tested my words about the b-attitudes for truth or falseness but instead you through them out because they disagree with what you wanted to believe.

[journey42]

terraricca,Mar. wrote:

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j42 Paul says at the last trumpet ,when that will be or as been I do not know yet

Pierre

Please consider this;

Rev 7:3   Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads.

God's revenge on Babylon the great starts with the 1st trumpet,
then goes all the way to the last trumpet, the 7th,
which is the coming of Christ.

So the SEALING of the 144K happens just before the trumpets blow,
and not on the last trumpet when it is finished.  
When the trumpets blow we will see great catastrophies happening regarding the earth, the sea, and the trees according to what is written in Revelations.  

So when we see the 1st trumpet being fulfilled,
we will know for sure that the sealing has just been done prior,
and this is during our time, anytime now or soon, and what God is going to do with these 144K is put a seal on them so that the plagues coming will not touch or harm them in anyway, as they will have immunity.

[terraricca]

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Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 07 2014,08:47) Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 07 2014,01:10) Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 06 2014,08:43) Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 06 2014,08:40) Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 06 2014,02:41) Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 05 2014,22:41) T, Quote Mt 5:3 “Blessed are the (humble) in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. Mt 5:5 Blessed are the meek, for they will inherit the earth. Jesus is mentioning two different places that people that believe in him will go ;heaven  and earth Are you sure as it is written: Matthew 6:10 American Standard Version (ASV) 10 Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done, as in heaven, so on earth. K does those scriptures not teach you anything T, It teaches me that the kingdom of heaven will come to be on earth as it already is in heaven. K who are the MEEK ONES THAT WILL RECEIVE THE EARTH AND WHO ARE THE HUMBLE IN SPIRIT THAT WILL BE IN HEAVEN T, 1) If you are not poor in spirit you will not be filled with righteousness. 2) Meekness without righteousness will get you nowhere. 3) Not all those that mound will inherit the kingdom of God.  It is only those who hunger and thirst for righteousness that will as others love darkness more than righteousness. 4) Those that are merciful will obey the law of righteousness for it is the summed up as love. 5) Those that are pure in heart are righteous. 6) The righteous make peace God and men. In short each of the b-attitudes address individual characteristics of those that God calls. k and revelation 14 the 144k are going to kill it as well Jn 14:1 “Do not let your hearts be troubled. Trust in God; trust also in me. Jn 14:2 In my Father’s house are many rooms; if it were not so, I would have told you. I am going there to prepare a place for you. Jn 14:3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come back and take you to be with me that you also may be where I am. Jn 14:4 You know the way to the place where I am going.” and those scriptures are you going to kill them too T,   Revelations is a book of prophecy and so has much symbolism.  You are adding to it if you take literally what is not literal.  There is a warning about either adding or subtracting from it. I already pointed why I understand the b-attitudes as I do and yet you do not understand.  Since you do not then it seem you also do not understand that righteousness is the narrow gate and Jesus is the only way in.

K

please do not talk to me in an language inside of another language where you are controlling the coming and going ,

and always stay under the shadow of the dark and clouds

[kerwin]

Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 08 2014,07:44)

Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 07 2014,09:41) Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 07 2014,08:47) Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 07 2014,01:10) Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 06 2014,08:43) Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 06 2014,08:40) Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 06 2014,02:41) Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 05 2014,22:41) T, Quote Mt 5:3 “Blessed are the (humble) in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. Mt 5:5 Blessed are the meek, for they will inherit the earth. Jesus is mentioning two different places that people that believe in him will go ;heaven  and earth Are you sure as it is written: Matthew 6:10 American Standard Version (ASV) 10 Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done, as in heaven, so on earth. K does those scriptures not teach you anything T, It teaches me that the kingdom of heaven will come to be on earth as it already is in heaven. K who are the MEEK ONES THAT WILL RECEIVE THE EARTH AND WHO ARE THE HUMBLE IN SPIRIT THAT WILL BE IN HEAVEN T, 1) If you are not poor in spirit you will not be filled with righteousness. 2) Meekness without righteousness will get you nowhere. 3) Not all those that mound will inherit the kingdom of God.  It is only those who hunger and thirst for righteousness that will as others love darkness more than righteousness. 4) Those that are merciful will obey the law of righteousness for it is the summed up as love. 5) Those that are pure in heart are righteous. 6) The righteous make peace God and men. In short each of the b-attitudes address individual characteristics of those that God calls. k and revelation 14 the 144k are going to kill it as well Jn 14:1 “Do not let your hearts be troubled. Trust in God; trust also in me. Jn 14:2 In my Father’s house are many rooms; if it were not so, I would have told you. I am going there to prepare a place for you. Jn 14:3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come back and take you to be with me that you also may be where I am. Jn 14:4 You know the way to the place where I am going.” and those scriptures are you going to kill them too T,   Revelations is a book of prophecy and so has much symbolism.  You are adding to it if you take literally what is not literal.  There is a warning about either adding or subtracting from it. I already pointed why I understand the b-attitudes as I do and yet you do not understand.  Since you do not then it seem you also do not understand that righteousness is the narrow gate and Jesus is the only way in. K please do not talk to me in an language inside of another language where you are controlling the  coming and going , and always stay under the shadow of the dark and clouds

T,

Please! You do not even take the passage about the 144 thousand literal because if you did you would believe they were Jews of every tribe but the tribe of Dan. Instead the teaching you endorse claims that the number is literal while the fact that it speaks of the Jewish tribes are not. Your teaching even attempt that claim.

Is Jesus a animal, specifically a lamb according to your chosen teaching or he instead symbolized as a lamb?

You fail to impress God when you choose to deny that the truth is there is symbolism in Revelations.

[terraricca]

K

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Please! You do not even take the passage about the 144 thousand literal because if you did you would believe they were Jews of every tribe but the tribe of Dan. Instead the teaching you endorse claims that the number is literal while the fact that it speaks of the Jewish tribes are not. Your teaching even attempt that claim. Is Jesus a animal, specifically a lamb according to your chosen teaching or he instead symbolized as a lamb? You fail to impress God when you choose to deny that the truth is there is symbolism in Revelations.

God as make his revelation in a language that remains in the hands of the holy ones ;

and all know that Jesus his the life giver because he is the Lamb sacrificed for our sin ,very clearly explain throughout the scriptures ;

the 144000 are from the 12 tribe or as Paul said are grafted into it ;this does not change the full number does it .

this is what scriptures are saying if you want to believe it

[kerwin]

T,

Let us look at actual Scripture and not the opinion of man about Scripture.  It is written:

Revelation 7:9

American Standard Version (ASV)

9 After these things I saw, and behold, a great multitude, which no man could number, out of every nation and of all tribes and peoples and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, arrayed in white robes, and palms in their hands;

This great multitude stood before the throne of God and that throne is in heaven.  They also stood before Jesus who is symbolically referred to as the Lamb.  

The fact that symbolism is used at one point in the description makes me think it is used in other points as well but lets instead say it is not.  In that case there are a multitude of Jews and other citizens of other nations that are in heave standing before God's throne and before King Jesus.

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