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God the Father is “against” all who say Jesus “preexisted” his birth on this earth, as well as all who preach and worship him as their GOD. Jesus will out of his own mouth reject them at his return just as 2ths2, shows.
Incorrect. God isn’t against Jesus Christ for example who said:
I have glorified You on earth by accomplishing the work You gave Me to do. And now, Father, glorify Me in Your presence with the glory I had with You before the world existed.
or
What and if ye shall see the Son of man ascend up where he was before?
And how is Jude telling us that he God is glorified through Jesus Christ our Lord before all ages?
to the only God our Savior be glory, majesty, power and authority, through Jesus Christ our Lord, before all ages, now and forevermore! Amen.
Was Paul wrong when he said:
He is before all things, and in him all things hold together. And he is the head of the body, the church; he is the beginning and the firstborn from among the dead, so that in everything he might have the supremacy.
Gene, you really need to sort this out. You are not getting any younger and time is running out for all of us. You believe correctly that the one true God is the Father, but then you trip completely up regarding the Son which is what our faith is about. He is the firstborn of all creation and was with God before all ages. God sent his Son to pay the price for our sins. He paid the biggest price of all. The sacrifice of his Son whom God created all things through and for. After all, it makes perfect sense that the one that God created all things through and for would be the one that God used to redeem his creation. This plan was in existence even before the world existed. Why? Free will. It allows love to exist, but it also allows rebellion.
Proclaimer……..Yes he is the first “BORN”. Of or FROM ALL CREATION. question? What does “first”, “born” , mean to you? Jesus is the first, born from all of, creation to be born in to the Kingdom of God, “you must be born again” Jesus said remember?
By saying he was first (born) is not the same as saying he was first created now is it? In fact to use the expression “BORN”. DEMANDS a birth process to have taken place. Jesus was “BORN” through a normal birth process through a women AS all humans were except Adam and Eve, they were created, not born, the first human born through a birth process was Cain. He was the first ” BORN” HUMAN.
BUT Jesus he was begotten again, later after his birth, into the kingdom of God, by the “Holy Spirit” of God, which he received when he was baptized by John at the Jordan river. The Spirit (seed of God the Father) went into him and beget him, the exact same thing as what must happen to us. We all “must be born again”. just as Jesus said and was.Another problem is with your understanding of the word “before”, in the Greek language it doesn’t always carry the meaning , the first one (to be) this or that, but also can mean the most important, as when Jesus was telling the Jews He was before Abraham, he wasn’t talking about his existence as a being existing before ABRAHAM EXISTED, he was telling them he was more important to them then Abraham was.
Paul was not wrong saying Jesus is before all things, because he is , but that’s because God the Father has now placed him there as such. We bow our knee to Jesus and his authority, “to the glory of God” , can’t leave that part out now can we?
Jesus’ glory existed even before he ever did, just as King Cyrus’s did. Jesus was in God the Fathers Plan even before this earth came into existence, he was the exact purpose of All Of God the Fathers works in all his human creation, from the very start before Adam and Eve were ever created. Jesus is God the Fathers Goal expressed in all humanity, from the very start of his whole creation, but JESUS HIMSELF ONLY EXISTED IN THE PLAN AND WORD OF GOD, UNTIL HE WAS “BORN”, IN THE FLESH EXACTLY AS WE ARE, that is when he came into his “only” existence, all the Glory Jesus had with the Father was all “prophesied” Glory, that he would “inherit “, and now has. He never had it till after he received it. We are called to share in that Glory as Joint heirs with him.
What I am telling you is the truth Proclaimer.
peace and love to you and yours Proclaimer…………gene
Hi Gene,
You: LU……So Jesus was lying when he said (not me)…..
“this is eternal life , that they might know “YOU”, the “ONLY” true GOD…….,
Cont. from the previous post!
John17:1 These words spoke Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee:
2As thou hast given him POWER OVER ALL FLESH,
that he should GIVE ETERNAL LIFE to
as many as thou hast given Him.
Me: In the previous post I explained and elaborated enough regarding the phrase
….. power over all flesh.
NEVERTHELESS, to clear any doubt for you thanks for the Holy Spirit in me, Jesus made us aware that
God the Father, from the very BEGINNING, GAVE THE ENTIRE PROCESS OF
THE PHYSICAL CREATION TO
JESUS AS THE SOURCE AND ETERNAL LIFE “THE WORD” SPOKEN OF GOD, an unknown and hidden spirit, eventually God all-knowing, purposely MADE FLESH, JESUS’ HUMAN NATURE;
THE SON OF MAN TO BE.. well clear in
John1:1 IN the BEGINNING was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2The same was in the BEGINNING with God.
3 All THINGS were made by him:
and without him was made nothing that was made.
14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us….
Just to clear things up for you, humbly speaking, “ALL THINGS” MENTIONED ABOVE IS A REFERENCE ONLY TO
THE ENTIRE PHYSICAL TANGIBLE CREATION, THE CARRIER ELEMENTS OF SOULS. The genuine fact that “THE WORD” Jesus, was MADE flesh, a BODY, THE UNIQUE CARRIER OF THE FATHER as a FLESH human being in our likeness.
Now let’s start John17:
John17:1 These words spoke Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said,
Father, the hour is come;
glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee:
Never have you ever mentioned the above statement by Jesus, as far as I know.
Why???
ANYHOW, by the statement above, both the Father and the Son glorify themselves and in each other.
HOW and WHEN?
Now, this CONFIRMS THE ONENESS OF GOD, IN THE FATHER AND THE SON, IN THE PROCESS BOTH OF CREATION AND REDEMPTION ALL BY JESUS,
PHYSICALLY, IN “THE WORD” THE SON OF MAN,
JESUS’ HUMAN NATURE, in relation to this world, Satanic. AD EXTRA, and by
THE FATHER, SPIRITUALLY in the HOLY GHOST, THE SON OF GOD.
JESUS’ DIVINE NATURE. in relation to heaven, Godly. AD INTRA.
THE FACT THAT IT IS THE KINGDOM OF THE SON, I repeat,
A PROCESS BY GOD IN TWO INDIVIDUAL DIVINE SPIRITS DISTINCT BUT
ONE WITH GOD! John4:36-38, John13:31-32
“THE WORD” OF GOD, MADE FLESH, THE FLESH OF GOD, and THE VOICE OF GOD IN THE HOLY GHOST, THE SOUL OF GOD.
Now we come to:
John 17:2 As thou hast given him POWER OVER ALL FLESH,
that he should GIVE ETERNAL LIFE to
as many as thou hast given Him.
In verse 2 above Jesus made us aware WHY THE FATHER FROM THE VERY BEGINNING GAVE JESUS, PRE-EXISTED AS A SPIRIT,
POWER OVER ALL FLESH, more ACCURATE:
Jesus’ SPIRIT, ORIGINALLY ETERNALLY ONE SUBSTANCE WITH THE FATHER, HIS OWN WORD, and in the same instant DISTINCT, John 1:18, FROM THE VERY BEGINNING, GOD ALL-KNOWING, was established as the PROPRIETOR of the entire physical creation,
well asserted by Jesus in
John12:32 And I, if I be lifted up from the earth,
WILL DRAW ALL THINGS TO MYSELF.
PRECISELY ALL MADE BY THE POURING OF JESUS’ SPIRIT. Sealed and sacrificed FROM THE BEGINNING John 6:27 AS ETERNAL LIFE, DESPITE slain like a lamb from the beginning of the world, Rev. 13:8. SUSTAINER OF THE PHYSICAL CREATION, John6:27, Hebrews 1:3, Colossians 1:15-20, but as I said, for the sake of the free will of all creatures, He was unknown and hidden AS “THE WORD” SPOKEN OF GOD, Ephesians 3:8-11, EVEN UP TO THIS DAY, AND FOR ETERNITY, in all creatures’ HEART.
The fact that God, all-knowing ;
GAVE JESUS ALL POWER OVER ALL FLESH, OVER ALL THE PHYSICAL CREATION, WHY OBVIOUS:
that he should GIVE ETERNAL LIFE to
as many as thou hast given Him.
OBVIOUSLY AGAIN GOD FROM THE VERY BEGINNING HAD GIVEN HIM THE ENTIRE PHYSICAL CREATION!
Again well asserted by Jesus in
John 6:27 Labour not for the meat which perisheth, but for that which endureth unto
LIFE EVERALSTING, which
THE SON OF MAN will give you.
FOR HIM HATH GOD, THE FATHER, SEALED.
Also well declared by Paul in
Romans 1:20 For the invisible things of HIM,
FROM THE CREATION OF THE WORLD,
are clearly seen,
being understood by the things that are MADE
ALL MADE BY HIM, “THE WORD” Jesus, as a Spirit, the source.
HERE IT COMES Gene,
his eternal power also,
and divinity:
so that they are inexcusable. Because that,
when they knew God,
HOW DID THEY KNOW GOD?
PHYSICALLY ON EARTH NO?
they have not glorified him as God, or given thanks;….
Now, I need to elaborate, be more specifically clear, and in more detailed!
But all that in the next post!
IN THE MEANTIME, in order to commence the New Year with some genuine TRUTH,
You have something to CHEW, and for a change produce otherwise and contradict me
USING GENUINE SCRIPTURE!
Till then mine remains as TRUTH.
Peace and Love in Jesus Christ
Hi Gene,
Me: Cont.
Now we come to your verse:
You: “this is eternal life, that they might know “YOU”, the “ONLY” true GOD…….,
NOW, THIS IS ETERNAL LIFE…..
In the above, Jesus, REFERRING definitely TO HIMSELF, TO HIS SPIRIT AS
“ETERNAL LIFE” and THE SOURCE of the entire PHYSICAL CREATION, John 6:27, and confirmed and said
“NOW”, a clear reference to HIS DEATH, “this is eternal life”.
Why DID Jesus refer to His death and associated it with “ETERNAL LIFE”?
Obvious, for the simple reason that IMMEDIATELY on His death, Jesus,
“THE WORD” THE SON OF MAN, JESUS’ HUMAN NATURE.
THROUGH DEATH ITSELF, LIVED SPIRITUALLY,
GLORIFIED as
JESUS CHRIST integrated into one substance with the
The Holy Ghost, the Son of God, JESUS’ DIVINE NATURE
GODMAN. John13:31, 32
1Peter 3:18, and eradicated Satan, also A SPIRIT, THE SOURCE of this cursed world, from the entire process of the world,
John12: 31Now is the judgment of the world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out.
Also asserted in
Hebrews 2:14 …..that,
THROUGH DEATH, he might destroy him who had the empire of death, that is to say, the devil:
By which death FOR THE LOVE OF GOD AND HUMANITY,
JESUS fulfilled HIS UNIQUE TASK, and with the Holy Ghost, John13:31, 32, as mentioned above, GLORIFIED as
GODMAN IN JESUS CHRIST, attention Gene,
And IN THAT SAME INSTANT OF HIS DEATH, OFFICIALLY FOR THE FIRST-EVER TIME, AS A HUMAN BEING both as a SPIRIT in the Holy Ghost, THE SON OF GOD, and also in flesh and blood in “THE WORD” THE SON OF MAN, in one instant, in the midst of hellfire, Satan’s headquarters,
ALL ON HIS OWN and
IN THE FULL POWER OF GOD, GIVEN TO HIM BY HIS FATHER BEFORE HIS PASSION, John13:3 FULFILLED ALSO HIS UNIQUE TASK, of which GOD the Father all by himself, THE PRIMORDIAL SOURCE and SPIRIT, could in no way achieve; UNLESS AS
JESUS CHRIST, The fact that the Father GAVE ALL THINGS INTO JESUS’ OWN HAND BEFORE HIS PASSION, John13:3.Thus I REEAT: Jesus,
In the midst of hell fire, Satan’s headquarters, MANIFESTED and PROCLAIMED HIMSELF, PHYSICALLY IN FLESH AND BLOOD:
THE TRUTH.
Gene, ONLY JESUS IS THE TRUTH BOTH ON THIS PLANET AND IN HELL!
ONLY JESUS IS BOTH PHYSICAL AND SPIRIT. THE FATHER IS ONLY A SPIRIT, AND AS A SPIRIT ONLY, IT IS NOT JUSTIFIED AS TRUTH BOTH ON THIS PLANET AND IN HELL
Now what is this truth Gene, Read:
……THAT THEY MAY KNOW THEE,….
Ok Gene? HOLD ONTO THAT STATEMENT AND PONDER PLEASE.
Never mind, I’ll do it for you since you are more concerned about Jesus’ humanity who at that moment in time was ALSO dead on the cross.
I MEAN, BOTH DEAD AND GLORIFIED IN ONE INSTANT.
Again, all will be revealed in the next post.
Peace and love in Jesus.
HI Gene,
Cont.
You: “ Now, this is eternal life , that they might know “YOU”,
Me: UP TO NOW IN THE PREVIOUS POSTS I GAVE YOU THE CAKE,
NOW HERE COMES PART OF THE ICING:
In verse ONE Jesus, said:
….. , Father, the HOUR is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee:
OBVIOUS, in the above, Jesus referred to THE HOUR OF HIS DEATH, Then beforehand He proclaimed and said
GLORIFY YOUR SON, and precisely as I said IN THE OTHER POSTS:
IMMEDIATELY ON HIS DEATH John13:31,32 ,
JESUS, THE SON OF MAN,
GLORIFIED AND INTEGRATED INTO ONE SUBSTANCE WITH THE HOLY GHOST, THE SON OF GOD, AS
GODMAN IN JESUS CHRIST!
THUS, THAT MEANS THAT THE HOLY GHOST FOR THE FIRST-EVER TIME ALSO POSSESSED
THE FLESH AND BLOOD ATTENTION Gene,
BUT SPIRITUAL, IN
JESUS CHRIST, Due to the fact that Jesus before His passion spiritualized His body, Luke 13:32, and also well asserted in
Acts.20:28 Take heed to yourselves, and to the whole flock, wherein
THE HOLY GHOST hath placed you bishops, to rule the church of God, which he hath purchased
WITH HIS OWN BLOOD.
Now to the next part of verse 3 where JESUS CONFIRMED ALSO BEFOREHAND WHEN HE SAID:
….THAT YOUR SON ALSO MAY GLORIFY YOU:
OK Gene?
GOD THE FATHER IN THE HOLY GHOST AS JESUS CHRIST POSSESSED ALSO
THE FLESH AND BLOOD
GOD OF ALL FLESH Well clear in Jeremiah 37:27
NOW I REPEAT for the sake of TRUTH, also as I said above:
JESUS OFFICIALLY FOR THE FIRST-EVER TIME in the midst of hellfire, Satan’s headquarters,
ON HIS OWN IN THE FULL POWER OF GOD GIVEN TO HIM BY HIS FATHER BEFORE HIS PASSION, John13:3...
MANIFESTED and PROCLAIMED
BY HIS PRESENCE Gene! AS
JESUS THE SON OF MAN IN THE UNIQUE HUMAN FLESH BODY GLORIFIED:
BOTH GOD THE FATHER and JESUS CHRIST,
BOTH THE HOLY GHOST and “THE WORD”
BOTH THE SON OF GOD and THE SON OF MAN.
BOTH JESUS’SOUL and JESUS’FLESH
BOTH JESUS’DIVINE NATURE and JESUS’HUMAN NATURE.
AS ONE BEING!!!
UNIQUE:
THE TRUTH.
Here it comes Gene:
THAT THEY MAY KNOW YOU,
THE ONLY TRUE GOD, AND JESUS CHRIST, WHOM YOU HAVE SENT.
OK Gene,
Answer please,
ARE YOU IN THE POSITION TO REVEAL WHAT JESUS MEANT BY THE ABOVE STATEMENT, in John 17:3
ALSO,
WHERE WAS SATAN supposed the God of this world,
WHILE JESUS IS OFFICIALLY IN FRONT OF GOD’S ENEMIES ALL SPIRITS IN HELL FIRE
SATAN’S HEADQUARTERS, GLORIFIED AS
THE ONLY TRUE GOD,
WAS PREACHING HIS GOSPEL?
NEVER MIND Gene, I TELL YOU.
Exodus 3:2 And the Lord appeared to him in a flame of fire out of the midst of a bush: and
he saw that the bush was on fire and was not burnt.
DID YOU GET THAT Gene, no you don’t I’m afraid!
Gene, and in this case also Jodi, FOR JESUS TO BE OFFICIALLY
THE ONLY TRUE GOD, HE MUST MANIFEST HIMSELF
IN FLESH IN THE MIDST OF HELL FIRE, like the Lord appeared to Moses, I MEAN:
Where the bush was on fire and was not BURNT.
ONLY SPIRITS COULD LIVE IN FIRE, AS FIRE HAS NO POWER OVER SPIRITS.
OUR GOD Gene, IS A CONSUMING FIRE!
NOW JESUS, TO PROVE THAT HE IS
THE ONLY TRUE GOD
MANIFESTED HIMSELF NOT ONLY IN FLESH, BUT COVERED IN BLOOD AS HE WAS ON THE CROSS, AS PROOF THAT HE IS
THE SON OF MAN GLORIFIED ONE SUBSTANCE IN THE HOLY GHOST
THE SON OF GOD.
JESUS’FLESH WAS NOT JUST FLESH BUT ALSO SPIRIT
IN ONE INSTANT!
HERE IT COMES Gene, and in this case, also to the silent Jodi,
Flesh counts for nothing when it comes to God’s own work,
IT IS HIS SPIRIT WHICH GIVES LIFE TO ALL OF HIS WORK EVEN AS FLESH.
PLUS AT SATAN’S HEADQUARTERS!
NOW, AGAIN, WHERE WAS SATAN, the god of this world when all this occurred in his headquarters?
Satan’s procedure due to Adam’s sin, as a spirit, always was that once a criminal was about to die, he would enter into the heart of the criminal and he would take the criminal’s soul to hell, as his property.
Just before Jesus died, PRECISELY ON JESUS’ OWN WORDS “I THIRST” all God’s enemies fully SKEPTICAL in hell, as usual, were waiting for Satan to GET ALSO JESUS TO HELL, but
HE DIDN’T,
and Not only he didn’t get Jesus,
but for the first-ever time,
SATAN HIMSELF NEVER RETURNED BACK TO HELL, never mind getting Jesus with him.
BY THIS ACT JESUS CONFIRMED WHO HE WAS,
John8:28 Jesus therefore said to them:
When you shall have lifted up the Son of man,
then shall you know, that I am he,
I ask you again Gene and in this case, also you JODI,
WHERE WAS SATAN AT THAT MOMENT IN TIME OF
JESUS’ DEATH,
which the Father could in no way achieve except as
JESUS CHRIST, whom He has sent?
I JUST GIVE YOU SOMETHING TO PONDER READ:
Hebrews 2:14 Therefore because the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself in like manner hath been partaker of the same:
that, through death, he might destroy him who had the empire of death, that is to say, the devil:
I AM WAITING Gene and Jodi
Pease and love in Jesus Christ
By saying he was first (born) is not the same as saying he was first created now is it?
Strawman arguments makes your case look even weaker. Begotten before all things does not and never will mean ‘created’.
Creation is that which was made by God through the Word which is who Jesus is.
At least address the actual points, not this fake news fake argument crap please.
He was not made through the Word if he is The Word of God. Rather, he was begotten of the Father. Later on, he came in the flesh and was sent into the world. He is now back with the Father in the glory he had before the cosmos.
Hi Proclaimer,
You: Later on, he came in the flesh and was sent into the world.
Me: TO BE MORE PRECISE,
HE CAME IN THE FLESH, FOR THE SIMPLE REASON
THAT, FIRST AND FOREMOST, HE WAS SENT BY THE FATHER,
GOD ALL-KOWING, BEFORE THE COMMENCEMENT OF THE COSMOS, AS
THE LIGHT FROM LIGHT,
THE PRIMORDIAL LIGHT FROM THE PRIMORDIAL LIGHT,
FROM AD ENTRA, WITHIN GOD, TO AD EXTRA, OUTSIDE OF GOD,
AS “THE WORD” SPOKEN OF GOD, Attention please,
WITHIN THE HEARTS OF THE ENDLESS LUMINOUS SPIRITS EMANATED FROM GOD, AS ETERNAL LIFE!
BY WHICH TASK THE ENTIRE INFINITE EXISTENCE, FOR THE FIRST-EVER TIME BECAME TOTALLY
LUMINOUS.
NOW, DUE TO THE FACT, THAT FOR THE SAKE OF THE FREE WILL OF HIS CREATURES, HE, THE SON OF MAN TO BE, JESUS, REMAINED HIDDEN, AND UNKNOWN THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE EXISTENCE OF ALL, UP TO NOW, AND TILL THE END OF THE LORD.
I REPEAT:
WITHIN THE HEART OF ALL CREATURES, AS THE ONLY SPIRIT/MEDIATOR BETWEEN GOD AND HIS CREATURES FOR ETERNITY.
THE ONLY KIND OF COMMUNICATION BETWEEN GOD AND HIS CREATURES,
PRECISELY AS
“THE WORD” SPOKEN OF GOD, IRONICALLY BY GOD’S WILL, REJECTED BY ONE-THIRD OF THE HEAVENLY REALMS, INITIATED BY
LUCIFER, FROM WITHIN HIS HEART, IN OUR TERMS, FOR AN ENDLESS TIME, BY WHICH TIME, THE ENTIRE COSMOS BECAME CORRUPTED, HARD SUBSTANCE AND LOST THEIR SPIRITUAL SUBSTANCE DESPITE PHYSICAL.
ORIGINALLY THE FIRST EVER PERFECT CREATION, Genesis 1:1THROUGHOUT SPIRIT EVEN AS FLESH. PRECISELY IN THE VERY FIRST-EVER CREATION ALL BY AND IN LUCIFER, THE LIGHT BRINGER,
THE PRIMORDIAL LIGHT, TOGETHER WITH
“THE WORD” JESUS, THE SON OF MAN TO BE,
MALE AND FEMALE ANDROGYNOUS,
THE MALE ATTRIBUTED TO JESUS, and
THE FEMALE ATTRIBUTED TO LUCIFER, HIS PREFERENCE. BOTH
OUR LORD GOD JESUS CHRIST TO BE, Well clear IN
Galatians 4:14 And my temptation which was in my flesh ye despised not, nor rejected; but received me as an angel of God, even as Christ Jesus.
BOTH ANGELS, BOTH THE MORNINGSTAR!
ONE THE SPIRITUAL LIGHT, IN”THE WORD” JESUS, AND
ONE THE PHYSICAL LIGHT, IN LUCIFER’S BODY
I REPEAT FOR THE SAKE OF LUCIFER’S FREE WILL, THE BEGINNING,
THE FIRSTBORN OF EVERY CREATURE!
MYSTERIOUSLY HIDDEN WITHIN LUCIFER,
THE ENTIRE PHYSICAL CREATION EMBODIED IN
LUCIFER’S PERSONALITY! AS
THE FIRST-EVER SON OF GOD!
THE FIRST-EVER CARRIER OF GOD!
A UNIQUE BODY,
MICHAEL, THE ANGEL OF GOD, AS A SPIRIT WITHIN LUCIFER’S MIND, and
GABRIEL, THE LOVE OF GOD, AS A SPIRIT WITHIN LUCIFER’S HEART.
THE FIRST-EVER CREATED TRIUNE BEING BOTH SPIRITUAL AND PHYSICAL
BUT AS I SAID, FOR THE SAKE OF HIS FREE WILL
UNKNOWN EVEN TO LUCIFER HIMSELF, DURING A PROBATION PERIOD WHICH FOR US IS ENDLESS, IN WHICH PERIOD GOD CREATED ALL PERFECT, BY “THE WORD” JESUS, THE SON OF MAN TO BE, IN FULL HARMONY, Genesis 1:1, TILL THE COMMENCEMENT OF SIN WITHIN LUCIFER’S HEART,
THEN, THE ABODE OF GOD IN”THE WORD” THE SON OF MAN TO BE JESUS!
You: He is now back with the Father in the glory he had before the cosmos.
ME : YES DEFINITELY, PRECISELY
OFFICIALLY, AND FOR ETERNITY, AS
THE NEW LUCIFER,
THE TRUE BRIGHT MORNING STAR!
AS HE WAS IN THE FIRST-EVER LUCIFER.
HENCE: THE ENTIRE NEW CREATION ALL PERFECT IN HIM
ONE SUBSTANCE BOTH SPIRITUAL AND PHYSICAL, ANDROGYNOUS MALE AND FEMALE. Well clear in
John4:34 Jesus saith to them:
My meat is to do the will of him that sent me,
that I may perfect his work.
BUT HIDDEN AND UNKNOWN!
MANIFESTED ON MOUNT TABOR
THE UNIQUE AND GENUINE
SON OF GOD!
THE ONLY TRUE PHYSICAL GOD!
JESUS CHRIST!
FOR THE GLORY OF
OF THE BODY OF FATHER,
JERUSALEM!
ON THE LAST DAY OF
THE LORD GOD JESUS CHRIST
ALELLUIAH!
THANKS, HOLY SPIRIT FOR THIS REVELATION, THAT THOUGH A MERE MORTAL and SINNER YOU IN YOUR UNFATHOMABLE GENEROSITY, ENRICHED IN
JESUS CHRIST, THE POWER AND WISDOM OF GOD,
OUR LORD PHYSICAL GOD
GOD OF ALL FLESH
WORKED IN ME!
Luke 10:21 In that same hour,
he rejoiced in the Holy Ghost,
and said: I confess to thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hidden these things from the wise and prudent,
and hast revealed them to little ones.
Yea, Father, for so it hath seemed good in thy sight. 22All things are delivered to me by my Father;
and no one knoweth who the Son is,
but the Father;
and who the Father is,
but the Son,
and to whom the Son will reveal him.
Peace and love in Jesus Christ
Proclaimer, you may call it a “straw” argument, but in fact it is a real argument for those who know the truth. Why not try to look up those words in Greek and see for sure if it’s a “straw” argument.
What you produce is a straw argument, if they arn’t, then show me one place in all of our scriptures that shows “any” activity of Jesus, before his birth on this earth. Please fine ““ONE” in our scriptures. There is none, no not even one. AND YOU SAY MY ARGUMENT IS A STRAW ARGUMENT. PROVE IT!
The big thing that flies right over you head is the very reason Jesus was “prophesied” to come into his existance when he did “in the first place”.
Jesus was and is the “prophesied”, word of God, prophesied through the, prophets way before he ever existed, as a real human being. God, foretold us when he would come into being, so it is therefore said …..The “WORD” of God , came into being (because Jesus was the “prophesied” word of God). That came into “BEING”, NOT that Jesus himself “IS” the word of God, but he was the “FULLFILMENT” of God the Fathers word, when he came into his “ONLY” TRUE EXISTENCE.
You must come to understabd that Jesus is the very “fullfilment” of what God the Father had in mind, in the beginning for “ALL” his human creation. Jesus is the first completed prototype, that has been born into the kingdom of God from all humanity?
We must also be born into the kingdom of God , the “exact” same way Jesus was. Why do you think Jesus said ……”I am the way” …..Jesus was telling us we must do exactly as he did, inorder to enter into eternal life and have a right relationship with God the Father , and it is exactly the same as his was and is. Jesus also said this, (not me)…..”whosoever “overcomes” i shall grant to sit with me in my kingdom, “EVEN” as i have over come, and sit down in my Fathers kingdom”.
But you preach a Jesus , seperate and different then we are, a “doctrine of seperation” Which shuts down our likeness of him, you through those false teaching push Jesus away from his “brothers and sisters”, by making him out to be different then we are. Thats exactly what Satan wants you and others to do, Proclaimer, Satan dosen’t want anyone to think they are exactly the same as Jesus was and is, and that they can achieve , to the Exact same stature and measure of Jesus Christ.
MANKIND, which includes Jesus , is the “CROWN JEWELL” of God the Fathers creative achievements. nothing that exists has a closer relationship with God the Father then mankind, not even the angels, or anything else. “As Jesus is so are we in this world”.
Peace and love to you and your ……….gene
Gene,
Who is speaking in this passage:
7I will proclaim the decree
spoken to Me by the LORD:
“You are My Son;
today I have become Your Father.
Was that spoken in the New Testament or the Old Testament?
Please answer both of those questions Gene.
Blessings, LU
Hi Gene,
You: then show me one place in all of our scriptures that shows “any” activity of Jesus, before his birth on this earth. Please fine ““ONE” in our scriptures. There is none, no not even one. AND YOU SAY MY ARGUMENT IS A STRAW ARGUMENT. PROVE IT!
Jude 1:4 For certain men are secretly entered in, (who were written of long ago unto this judgment,) ungodly men, turning the grace of our Lord God into riotousness, and denying the only sovereign Ruler, and our Lord Jesus Christ.
5 I will therefore admonish you, though ye once knew all things, that Jesus, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, did afterwards destroy them that believed not:
Peace and love in Jesus Christ
Proclaimer, you may call it a “straw” argument, but in fact it is a real argument for those who know the truth. Why not try to look up those words in Greek and see for sure if it’s a “straw” argument.
Do you not know what a strawman argument is? I’m talking about how you state that our argument teaches that he was was created or first created. No, he came directly from the Father before creation. He was begotten of the Father is what I teach.
Proclaimer…….Adam and Eve were both begotten from God, so how does you saying Jesus was, make him any different . Jesus himself said over 80 times that he was a SON OF MAN, ie (mankind) , he said he was “the root and “Offspring” of David. tell us exactly what that means to you. THE APOSTAL Paul say he was from the loins of King David, if Paul though he came from Some wher else, don’t you think he would have said that? , even the Jews knew that Jesus was to be the son of King David, saying in scripture “Jesus thou ‘SON OF David over and over’. Why?, because they knew where the prophets said he would come from.
Jodie explained this over and over here , quoting many many scripture proving it. She was apsolutely right and so am I.
Proclaimer you have bought into one of the biggest lies Satan has fostered on humanity. Your seperation of Jesus from your exact idenity with him as a human being, is a great Spiritual loss for you Proclaimer. Jesus was never pictured as any thing other than a human being, a perfected human being, exactly in every way, we are to become, if we are to inter the kingdom of God. You need to start identifying with him a a fellow human being as your “brother’. Who “our Father” has elevated him to the position he “now” holds.
Peace and love to you and your Proclaimer………gene
Carmel…….Your scripture you quote is not referencing that it was Jesus who brought them out of Egypt, it is saying it was Joshua , the word for Joshua , in Hebrew is the exact same word for Jesus , in the GREEK LANGUAGE. but we all know it was the man Joshua who brough them out of Egypt. A good bible with a margin in the middle will tell you that, but i think you already know that, don’t you? Sad!
So is thats your “only” scripture? Come on, Show us another one , you can twist the text to say what in fact it is not saying,
Fact is there is none no not even one? AND YOU KNOW IT Carmel.
Peace and love to you and yours Carmel……….gene
Hi Gene,
You: Carmel…….Your scripture you quote is not referencing that it was Jesus who brought them out of Egypt, it is saying it was Joshua , the word for Joshua , in Hebrew is the exact same word for Jesus , in the GREEK LANGUAGE. but we all know it was the man Joshua who brough them out of Egypt.
First and foremost,
I AM STILL WAITING FOR YOUR REPLY REGARDING THE OTHER THREE POSTS PREVIOUS TO THIS ONE.
I TAKE IT AS YOU ACCEPT TTHEM AS TRUTH UNLES YOU ANSWER.
Now read again the scripture I posted Please.
5 I will therefore admonish you, though ye once knew all things,
that Jesus, having SAVED the people out of the land of Egypt,
Now read what you said:
but we all know it was the man Joshua
who BROUGHT them out of Egypt.
Gene, GOD IN JESUS SAVED THE PEOPLE…..
BROUGHT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH SAVED
AS FAR AS I KNOW YOU ALL THE TIME SAY
THAT GOD SAVED HUMANITY!
BUT THE TRUTH IS THAT GOD IN JESUS SAVED HUMANITY!
NO GOD NO JESUS
NO JESUS NO GODNow read hereunder please and answer:
did afterwards destroy them that believed not:
WHO DESTROYED THEM Gene?
Hereunder you have some articles so you to read and can be in a better position to decide in relation to what you said!
Enjoy:
http://renewingtruth.com/2016/12/lord-or-jesus-metzgers-comments-on-jude-15/
https://exegeticaltools.com/2017/11/20/yes-jesus-saved-destroyed-israelites/
https://davidwilber.com/articles/jesus-saved-israel-out-of-egypt-jude-5
Peace and love in Jesus Christ
Carmel……..The anointing Spirit was in Moses , Calab ,Joushua, and the seventy Elders, they all had the Spirit of God “in” them, that encludes “the man”, Jesus Christ, and all true “SON’S OF GOD, alive “now” also have that same “anointing Spirit of the Father in them also. And because the seed (spirit of God) abides “in” use we are Son’s of God, and “joint” heirs, and brothers of “the man Jesus Christ”, your exclusivity of Jesus being the “ONLY” ONE who had and has God holy spirit “in” him, is a pure SATANIC fabercated lie. Your teaching drives the Man jesus away from his brothers and sister, and all humanity.
” GOD IS A SPIRIT”, Jesus said (not me), and being a Spirit he can indwell human being. Or what does this mean to you?, “that God may be “in” ALL , and through “ALL” . OR HAVEN’T YOU EVER READ , THIS from scripture, (not me), Rom 8:11…..“BUT IF THE the “Spirit” of him that raised up Jesus from the dead “DWELL” “IN” YOU, “HE” that raised Christ from the dead, shall also “quicken” your “mortal bodies” , by “HIS” Spirit that “DWELLS” IN YOU.”
Why does it start out by saying Jesus, a man from the dead, and end in saying with saying Christ from the dead? Could it be that Jesus the man was raised because he became a Christo’s, a man with the Spirit of God “in” him? , the “exact same thing that will happen to us, who have the same Spirit of God “dwelling in us”.
Carmel you have been so decieved, and trust me if you have the Spirit of God abiding “in” you , you would know these things I am telling you, sad!
Peace and love to you and yours CARMEL……….gene
Hi Gene,
You: Carmel……..The anointing Spirit was in Moses , Calab ,Joushua, and the seventy Elders, they all had the Spirit of God “in” them,
Me: THE ABOVE Gene, IS OUT OF CONTEXT!
Read again please:
Gude 1:5 I WILL THEREFORE ADMONISH YOU, THOUGH YE ONCE KNEW ALL THINGS,
that Jesus, having SAVED the people out of the land of Egypt,
Now read what you said:
You: BUT WE ALL KNOW IT WAS THE MAN JOSHUA
who BROUGHT them out of Egypt.Gene, GOD IN JESUS SAVED THE PEOPLE…..
BROUGHT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH SAVED
AS FAR AS I KNOW YOU ALL THE TIME SAY
THAT GOD SAVED HUMANITY!
BUT THE TRUTH IS THAT GOD IN JESUS SAVED HUMANITY!
NO GOD NO JESUS
NO JESUS NO GODNow read hereunder please and answer:
did afterwards destroy them that believed not:
WHO DESTROYED THEM Gene?
GOD, or
GOD IN JESUS,
Gene, produce scripture that specifically says that Joshua SAVED the Jews.
In the meantime read hereunder please:
Exodus 12:42 This is the observable night of the Lord, when he brought them forth out of the land of Egypt: this night all the children of Israel must observe in their generations.50 And all the children of Israel did as the Lord had commanded Moses and Aaron.
51 And the same day the Lord brought forth the children of Israel out of the land of Egypt by their companies.
53:13 And Moses said to the people: Remember this day in which you came forth out of Egypt, and out of the house of bondage, for with a strong hand hath the Lord brought you forth out of this place: that you eat no leavened bread.
Leviticusb11:45 For I am the Lord, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, that I might be your God.
Gene here comes MORE TRUTH:
Judges 2:1And an angel of the Lord went up from Galgal to the place of weepers, and said:
I made you go out of Egypt, and have brought you into the land for which I swore to your fathers:
and I promised that I would not make void my covenant with you forever:
WHO IS THIS ANGEL OF THE LORD!
In the next post, I produce scriptures in order to give you a hint of who the angel of the lord is, In the meantime
AGAIN
Hereunder there are some articles for you to read in order to be in a better position to decide WHAT THE TRUTH IS, in relation to what you said!
Enjoy:
http://renewingtruth.com/2016/12/lord-or-jesus-metzgers-comments-on-jude-15/
https://exegeticaltools.com/2017/11/20/yes-jesus-saved-destroyed-israelites/
https://davidwilber.com/articles/jesus-saved-israel-out-of-egypt-jude-5
Peace and love in Jesus Christ
Hi Gene,
As I said regarding
WHO IS THE ANGEL OF THE LORD
Hereunder is an article for you to read from:
versebyverseministry
Scripture clearly shows the Angel of the Lord is the part of the Godhead, and in particular the pre-incarnate Christ.
The term “the Angel of the Lord” first appears in Genesis 16:
“7 Now the angel of the LORD found her by a spring of water in the wilderness, by the spring on the way to Shur. 8 He said, “Hagar, Sarai’s maid, where have you come from and where are you going?” And she said, “I am fleeing from the presence of my mistress Sarai.” 9 Then the angel of the LORD said to her, “Return to your mistress, and submit yourself to her authority.” 10 Moreover, the angel of the LORD said to her, “I will greatly multiply your descendants so that they will be too many to count.” 11 The angel of the LORD said to her further, “Behold, you are with child, And you will bear a son; And you shall call his name Ishmael, Because the LORD has given heed to your affliction. 12 “He will be a wild donkey of a man, His hand will be against everyone, And everyone’s hand will be against him; And he will live to the east of all his brothers.” 13 Then she called the name of the LORD who spoke to her, “You are a God who sees”; for she said, “Have I even remained alive here after seeing Him?” 14 Therefore the well was called Beer-lahai-roi; behold, it is between Kadesh and Bered.”
Notice a few things here. First, the Angel of the Lord tells Hagar that He will “greatly multiply your descendants.” An ordinary angel cannot do that, for only the Lord God can give life (Deuteronomy 32:39). Also, this statement is very similar to what God told Abraham (Genesis 15:5).
Second, the Angel of the Lord knew Hagar was with child, that the child was a son, and what he would be like. Only God is omniscient to know the future (e.g., Hebrews 4:3), though ordinary angels can be told the future by God.
Third, in v. 11, the angel says “the LORD has given heed to your affliction” when it was the Angel of the Lord who had given heed.
Finally, in v. 13, the text says “the name of the LORD who spoke to her,” clearly indicating that Hagar was speaking to God. Furthermore, Hagar calls the Angel “God” and can’t believe she remained alive after seeing Him! Indeed, the word Beer-lahai-roi means, “well of the Living One seeing me.”
Next, we look at Genesis 22:
“1 But the angel of the Lord called to him from heaven and said, “Abraham, Abraham!” And he said, “Here I am.”
12 He said, “Do not stretch out your hand against the lad, and do nothing to him; for now I know that you fear God, since you have not withheld your son, your only son, from Me.”… 15 Then the angel of the Lord called to Abraham a second time from heaven, 16 and said, “By Myself I have sworn, declares the Lord, because you have done this thing and have not withheld your son, your only son, 17 indeed I will greatly bless you, and I will greatly multiply your seed as the stars of the heavens and as the sand which is on the seashore; and your seed shall possess the gate of their enemies. 18 In your seed all the nations of the earth shall be blessed, because you have obeyed My voice.”In both of these passages, it’s clear that the Angel of the Lord is also God. In v. 12 He says you have not withheld your son “from Me,” obviously referring to God. In vs. 15 and 16, the Angel of the Lord says of Himself “by Myself…declares the Lord.” Again, it’s clear the Angel of the Lord and God are One and the same.
Next, consider Exodus 3:
“1 Now Moses was pasturing the flock of Jethro his father-in-law, the priest of Midian; and he led the flock to the west side of the wilderness and came to Horeb, the mountain of God. 2 The angel of the Lord appeared to him in a blazing fire from the midst of a bush; and he looked, and behold, the bush was burning with fire, yet the bush was not consumed. 3 So Moses said, “I must turn aside now and see this marvelous sight, why the bush is not burned up.” 4 When the Lord saw that he turned aside to look, God called to him from the midst of the bush and said, “Moses, Moses!” And he said, “Here I am.” 5 Then He said, “Do not come near here; remove your sandals from your feet, for the place on which you are standing is holy ground.” 6 He said also, “I am the God of your father, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob.” Then Moses hid his face, for he was afraid to look at God.”
The Angel of the Lord in v.2 is clearly equated with God in v.4. In v.6, He makes clear He is the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, and Moses understands, for he is afraid to look at God (remember Hagar above).There are many, many more passages that demonstrate that the Angel of the Lord is, in fact, God Himself.
But how do we know this appearance of God is always the pre-incarnate Jesus?
First, we know the Godhead is the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, but in John 6: 46, Jesus says, “46 Not that anyone has seen the Father, except the One who is from God; He has seen the Father.” Since no one has seen the Father, and since people did see the Angel of the Lord, we can, therefore, know that the angel of the Lord cannot be the Father.
Second, the Holy Spirit never takes human form, and rarely does the Spirit take any form. He took the form of a dove when Jesus was baptized (Matthew 3:16), and as tongues of fire at Pentecost (Acts 2:3-4), but He is never shown in scripture to assume the form of man. Therefore, we have no reason to assume these OT appearances of the Angel of the Lord are the Spirit.
Finally, Paul says that Jesus has always been the “image of the invisible God” in Colossians:
Col. 1:15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation.
Col. 1:16 For by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities — all things have been created through Him and for Him.
Col. 1:17 He is before all things, and in Him all things hold together.
Col. 1:18 He is also head of the body, the church; and He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, so that He Himself will come to have first place in everything.
Col. 1:19 For it was the Father’s good pleasure for all the fullness to dwell in Him,
Col. 1:20 and through Him to reconcile all things to Himself, having made peace through the blood of His cross; through Him, I say, whether things on earth or things in heaven.Consequently, the Angel of the Lord is the image of the invisible God in the days before Jesus took on flesh, which is why we say He is the “pre-incarnate” Christ. Furthermore, the Angel of the Lord never appears in the New Testament, once Jesus took on flesh (became incarnate), nor after His resurrection. The only mention of such a person in the New Testament is described as “an” angel of the Lord, but never “the” Angel of the Lord. Once God the Son appeared as flesh, there was no longer a need for Him to appear in any other form as “the Angel of the Lord”.
Finally, it’s interesting to consider that the word “angel” means messenger. A messenger is one who is sent from someone else to deliver a message, and of course, Jesus fits this perfectly. He says in John 8:18, “I am He who testifies about Myself, and the Father who sent Me testifies about Me.” Just as the Father sent Jesus, so also did He send the Angel of the Lord. Based on all the above, we conclude that the pre-incarnate Lord Jesus was the Angel of the Lord.
Peace and Love in Jesus Christ
Hi Gene,
You: Could it be that Jesus the man was raised because he became a Christo’s,
Me: Now according to you, WHEN EXACTLY DID JESUS BECAME
A CHRISTOS/ ANOINTED?
KEEP IN MIND THAT JESUS THE MAN DIED ON THE CROSS! NO?
HOW THEN HE BECAME ANOINTED?
WHAT ACTUALLY DID OCCUR TO JESUS ON HIS DEATH IN ORDER FOR HIM TO BECOME A CHRISTOS/ANOINTED?
SCRIPTURE PLEASE.
Peace and love in Jesus Christ
Hi Gene,
You: Proclaimer…….Adam and Eve were both begotten from God, so how does you saying Jesus was, make him any different .
Genesis 2:6 But a spring rose out the earth, watering all the surface of the earth. 7
And the Lord God formed man of the slime of the earth:
and breathed into his face the breath of life, and man became a living soul.
Dictionary
Definitions from Oxford Languages ·beget
verb literary
past participle: begotten
1.
(especially of a man) bring (a child) into existence by the process of reproduction.“they hoped that the King might beget an heir by his new queen”
Gene, The above dictionary clearly says:
BEGOTTEN MEANS
To bring (a child) into existence by the process of REPRODUCTION.
AS YOU CAN READ IN Genesis 2:6 ADAM WAS NOT
begotten from God or
REPRODUCED but
FORMED FROM THE SLIME OF THE EARTH.
Genesis 2:21 Then the Lord God cast a deep sleep upon Adam: and when he was fast asleep, he took one of his ribs, and filled up flesh for it.
22And the Lord God built the rib which he took from Adam into a woman:
Gene, IN THE SCRIPTURE ABOVE, LIKEWISE IT CLEARLY SAYS:
THE WOMAN WAS BUILT FROM ADAM’S RIB NOT
BEGOTTEN FROM GOD.
NOW WHERE IN THE BIBLE WE CAN READ THAT JESUS WENT THROUGH THE PROCESS OF ADAM AND EVE IN ORDER TO BECOME
A HUMAN BEING, and A SPIRIT BEING.
SINCE HUMANITY WAS SPIRITUALLY DEAD!
JUST ALIVE IN FLESH AND BLOOD.
THE FACT THAT EVEN AT HIS BIRTH HE WAS NOT BORN LIKE HUMANS. BUT
OF THE HOLY GHOST. SPIRIT!
WHERE IN THE BIBLE DO WE READ THAT JESUS WAS BORN IN THE FLESH? BUT, MADE FLESH and
BORN OF A WOMAN FOR OUR SAKE, IN ORDER TO FURNISH US WITH
A NEW MOTHER OF THE LIVING SOULS IN THE TRUTH!
John 1:14 And the Word was MADE flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we saw his glory,
the glory as it were of the ONLY begotten of the Father,)
full of grace and truth.
Gene, Jesus is not just a son, but is
THE ONE AND ONLY SON BEGOTTEN OF THE FATHER
UNIQUE ‘one-of-a-kind’
BOTH SON OF GOD and SON OF MAN.
BOTH A SPIRIT BEING and A HUMAN BEING.
ONE UNIQUE MEDIATOR SPIRIT/HUMAN BEING BETWEEN GOD AND MAN, AS GOD THE FATHER IS A SPIRIT.
ONLY THROUGH AND BY JESUS WE ARE AMALGAMATED WITH GOD THE FATHER.
John 4:23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true adorers shall adore the Father
in spirit and in truth.
For the Father also seeketh such to adore him. 24God is a spirit; and they that adore him,
must adore him in spirit and in truth.
THUS IF WE ADORE JESUS WE ADORE THE FATHER!
ONLY JESUS IS BOTH SPIRIT AND TRUTH/PHYSICAL
BOTH SPIRIT AND MAN
THE TRUE GOD ON EARTH, FOR THE GLORY OF THE FATHER.
AS THE FATHER A SPIRIT, ON THIS SATANIC PLANET COULD NOT ESTABLISH
HIMSELF ALL BY HIMSELF
AS TRUE!
ONCE SATAN A SPIRIT CONSIDERED HIMSELF ON THIS PLANET/ HIS PLANET, ALSO GOD!
Peace and Love Jesus Christ
Carmel…….You are one screwed up cookie, brother, are you a Johovah wittness, they also believe that Jesus was a preexisting angel like you?
But what does the scriptures say about the Angels, lets read it, ok, HEB 2:5…..”for unto the “ANGELS”, has he (GOD) “not put in subjection”, the world to come , where of we speak”
Well seening you believe Jesus is an ANGEL , then, that “quote above from scripture” , would deal him out of the deck, so to speak.
Carmel please don’t stop at Heb 2:5, but read it all the way through to verse 18. No better yet this time actually, study it OK!
Humankind is far greater then “ANGELS” are , “JESUS IS and always was a “SON OF MAN” , Just as he said he was oround 80 times, but then, you “really” don’t “truly” believe him , do you? scripture says (not me) 1 cor 6:3…. “know you not that we shall judge angels, how much more the things that pertain to this life”.
The Jesus you have created in your mind , is not the Jesus of scriptures, that i know , by actual scriptures, you are preaching another Jesus, not the one in our scriptures. “Sad”
Peace and love to you and yours Carmel…………..gene
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