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Hi Gene,
Calling us “EL-o-heem's” is NOT the same as calling us gods; I thought you knew that?
EL-o-heem has essentially four different meanings, while “GOD” has primarily one.Your brother
in Christ, Jesus.
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (terraricca @ Feb. 09 2013,11:13) Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 09 2013,05:13) Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 09 2013,08:27) Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 09 2013,02:14) Hi Pierre, “Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by “the word” of God,
so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.” (Heb 11:3)framed: From kata and a derivative of artios; to complete thoroughly, i.e.
Repair (literally or figuratively) or adjust — fit, frame, mend,
(make) perfect(-ly join together), prepare, restore.“Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.
And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and
he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.” (Gen 2:1-2)God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
edjI do not understand what you try to say to me ,it is very vague ,
so be more specific .
Hi Pierre,It means: that “God alone” created everything without Jesus' help.
(Through) Jesus dying on the cross was his participation.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
edjQuote It means: that “God alone” created everything without Jesus' help.
(Through) Jesus dying on the cross was his participation.it is obvious from this comment of yours ,you do nt believe in scriptures at all ,
Col 1:15 He(Christ) is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation.
Col 1:16 For by him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things were created by him and for him.
Col 1:17 He(Christ) is before all things, and in him all things hold together.in verse 17 IT SAYS HE (CHRIST) IS BEFORE ALL THINGS ;;;RIGHT IS THAT LEFT SOMETHING OUT
?HO, AND SEE ALL THINGS IN HEAVEN AND ON EARTH ;
SO ACCORDING TO YOU CHRIST WAS ONLY BORN 2000 YEARS AGO ,BUT THEN HOW COULD HE BE THE FIRST OF CREATION BEFORE ALL THINGS ?ARE YOU TESTING ME
THIS IS SO SIMPLE A DUMMY CAN ANSWER THAT .DO YOU KNOW WHAT THE FOLLOWING SCRIPTURE MEANS
Col 1:19 For God was pleased to have all his fullness dwell in him,ALL THE FULLNESS OF WHAT ??OF EVERYTHING
Col 1:19 For God was pleased to have all his fullness dwell in him,
Col 1:20 and through him to reconcile to himself all things, whether things on earth or things in heaven, by making peace through his blood, shed on the cross.HIS DEAD AND RESURRECTION IS ONLY ONE MORE THING INCLUDED IN “”ALL THINGS “”” AND THE FULLNESS”””
Hi Pierre,Colossians 1:16-17 is about “God the Father”.
Your brother
in Christ, Jesus.
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (terraricca @ Feb. 09 2013,11:16) Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 09 2013,02:14) Hi Pierre, “Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by “the word” of God,
so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.” (Heb 11:3)framed: From kata and a derivative of artios; to complete thoroughly, i.e.
Repair (literally or figuratively) or adjust — fit, frame, mend,
(make) perfect(-ly join together), prepare, restore.“Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.
And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and
he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.” (Gen 2:1-2)God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
EDJYOUR ANSWER LAY IN THIS SCRIPTURE;
Jn 1:2 He(JESUS) was with God in the beginning.
Jn 1:3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made.
Jn 1:4 In him was life, and that life was the light of men.
Jn 1:5 The light shines in the darkness, but the darkness has not understood it.
Hi Pierre,It doesn't say Jesus there.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (terraricca @ Feb. 09 2013,11:24) Ed j and Gene you guy's are sinking against Gods written word ,
and Mike still waits for his answers
Hi Pierre,Not so.
I saved a post where he asked a lot of questions,
but I thought I answered them, I'll check; OK?God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 08 2013,09:39) I'd also like for Ed to answer the question on that post. Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 08 2013,09:13) Do you believe that Jesus was NOT a “good person”? YES or NO?
NoQuote (Ed J @ Feb. 09 2013,13:33) Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 09 2013,11:16) Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 09 2013,02:14) Hi Pierre, “Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by “the word” of God,
so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.” (Heb 11:3)framed: From kata and a derivative of artios; to complete thoroughly, i.e.
Repair (literally or figuratively) or adjust — fit, frame, mend,
(make) perfect(-ly join together), prepare, restore.“Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.
And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and
he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.” (Gen 2:1-2)God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
EDJYOUR ANSWER LAY IN THIS SCRIPTURE;
Jn 1:2 He(JESUS) was with God in the beginning.
Jn 1:3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made.
Jn 1:4 In him was life, and that life was the light of men.
Jn 1:5 The light shines in the darkness, but the darkness has not understood it.
Hi Pierre,It doesn't say Jesus there.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
EdjYou remember we discuss this and I made a copy of those scriptures and marked all names as the conversation by Paul goes on ,
And yes I am right it his Christ ,because in those verse Paul explain what God did through Christ and who Christ his,and why he came down and then went back up
OK Pierre, thanks, I found them.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 08 2013,09:39) 1. Why then is Jesus called a god in scripture?
2. Why is Satan called “the god of this age”?
3. Why is Jehovah the “God of gods”?
4. Why is He the “Most High God”?
5. Why is He the “Almighty God”?
6. Why did Paul tell us that there are indeed many gods and lords, both in heaven and on earth?
7. Why were angels called gods?
8. Why were human judges called gods?
9. In what way did Jehovah “bring judgment upon” the gods of Egypt?
10. Who were the gods in the “assembly of gods”, which Jehovah presides over and renders judgment? (Ps 82)
11. Why does Jehovah Himself call Satan “the god of Ekron”?
Hi Mike,1) He isn't.
2) Because people of this age put him above YHVH.
3) JEHOVAH is “El-o-heem of EL-o-heem's”, and the translators did their best.
4) Because there is none Higher then “GOD”.
5) Because he is our protector.
6) He was speaking philosophy, drawing on expressionism's.
7) Their not
8) The were called “EL-o-heem's”, not gods. The translators did their best.
9) Not sure what you mean here, you mean temple idols?
10) You mean instead the assembly of the “EL-o-heem's”?
11) Ekron must have been pretty evil to have 'Beelzebub' as their god.One point that you continue to overlook, is that none of your questions
(nor points that you think you are making) abrogate any of these verses…“there is no God else beside me” (Isa 45:21)
“Ye are even my witnesses.
Is there 'a God' beside me? yea,
there is 'no God'; I know not any.” (Isa 44:8)“I the LORD, and there is none else,
there is no God beside me:” (Isaiah 45:5)Note: “LORD” in all caps indicates יהוה (YHVH).
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (kerwin @ Feb. 09 2013,06:10) Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 09 2013,01:47) Quote (kerwin @ Feb. 09 2013,05:01) Ed J, Yahweh established the children of Israel as his children, which is to say gods. Scripture does not reserve the word “god” for Yahweh alone; though many in our culture have been taught to do.
The children of Israel are still of the kind human; even though Yahweh calls them gods.
Yahweh is the only god worthy of worship as he cannot be tempted, much less do evil. He is one of a kind, the a and the z, the first and the last. He is the source of all righteousness and all that is righteous.
Hi Kerwin,You are comparing 'apples' and 'oranges', “The Bible” wasn't written
in English, so the word “GOD” is not in the “Hebrew nor is it in the Greek either.
You mean the word אלהים (ĔL-ō-Hêêm), which is SOMETIMES translated as “God”, right?God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Ed J,The KJV also does it..
Psalm 82:6
King James Version (KJV)6 I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.
Ed J.The English word “god” is used just like elohim in Scripture as Psalms 82:6 reveals; since it is his children that the one God is calling gods.
It is a minor point except that some seem to believe it infers God is a supreme angel that partakes of the nature of angels. He does not as he is not created nor can he be tempted by evil; much less do it as some of their number did.
There is but one God.
In other ways of speaking there are many gods both in heaven and on earth.
Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 09 2013,13:33) Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 09 2013,11:16) Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 09 2013,02:14) Hi Pierre, “Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by “the word” of God,
so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.” (Heb 11:3)framed: From kata and a derivative of artios; to complete thoroughly, i.e.
Repair (literally or figuratively) or adjust — fit, frame, mend,
(make) perfect(-ly join together), prepare, restore.“Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.
And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and
he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.” (Gen 2:1-2)God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
EDJYOUR ANSWER LAY IN THIS SCRIPTURE;
Jn 1:2 He(JESUS) was with God in the beginning.
Jn 1:3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made.
Jn 1:4 In him was life, and that life was the light of men.
Jn 1:5 The light shines in the darkness, but the darkness has not understood it.
Hi Pierre,It doesn't say Jesus there.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Ed J.You are correct that T is reading Jesus into the passage.
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Feb. 07 2013,22:39) Being a good Shepard has nothing to do with being a good person. Can't you at least understand that?
So then your Lord Jesus Christ, to whom all knees will bow, is NOT a “good person” – according to you?Quote (kerwin @ Feb. 07 2013,23:22) Ask Ed and Gene if the believe that Scripture testifies about gods who are not god as Jehovah is God?
Ed and Gene,Do you believe the scriptures that testify about gods who are not the Most High God, Jehovah? YES or NO?
Quote (kerwin @ Feb. 08 2013,00:00) The “good” in “good teacher” is translated from a different word than the “good” in “good shepherd” Jesus is Kalos but not agathe.
Matthew 12:35
A good man out of the good treasure of his heart brings forth good things, and an evil man out of the evil treasure brings forth evil things.The word “good”, as bolded above, describes a human being who is “agathe”, Kerwin. And there are other scriptures that list mankind as “agathe/good”.
In fact, I listed one of them in my first post to Gene on this subject – just in case someone like you tried to find a discrepancy between the Greek words used.
So now tell me how Jesus can speak about a “good human” – when no one is good but God alone?
Quote (kerwin @ Feb. 08 2013,00:00) Quote (mikeboll @ 64) How do you explain that, Kerwin? You can't say “Jesus was good BECAUSE….” if God is LITERALLY the ONLY one who is good, right? If God is literally the only one who is good, then Jesus cannot possibly be good, no matter what “because” you bring up. Yes I can because Jehovah is the only one that cannot be tempted
No Kerwin, you CAN'T! You can't say, “Mike is good BECAUSE God's Spirit dwells in him”, and at the same time say, “NO ONE is good except for God alone”.Well, you CAN say it, but the latter statement would have to be EMPHATICAL, and not LITERAL. Which is the point I'm trying to make here.
Do you understand what I'm saying to you? You can't say Jesus is good BECAUSE of this or that, if God is LITERALLY the only good person in existence. The “BECAUSE” part wouldn't really matter, because the end result would still be, “JESUS IS GOOD”. Get it?
Quote (kerwin @ Feb. 08 2013,12:01) Scripture does not reserve the word “god” for Yahweh alone; though many in our culture have been taught to do.
That is a good way to say it, Kerwin. Well done.In Biblical culture, there were many gods, of whom Jehovah was the God. In today's culture, we have been brainwashed into thinking there has ever only existed ONE god – LITERALLY. That is simply NOT the case, if you believe the scriptures.
People today try to protect the Bible from itself. They don't WANT the Bible to teach of other gods, of whom Jehovah is the God, and so they twist and “explain away” the many other Biblical mentions of the many other gods Jehovah is the God OF.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 10 2013,03:43) Quote (kerwin @ Feb. 08 2013,12:01) Scripture does not reserve the word “god” for Yahweh alone; though many in our culture have been taught to do.
That is a good way to say it, Kerwin. Well done.In Biblical culture, there were many gods, of whom Jehovah was the God. In today's culture, we have been brainwashed into thinking there has ever only existed ONE god – LITERALLY. That is simply NOT the case, if you believe the scriptures.
People today try to protect the Bible from itself. They don't WANT the Bible to teach of other gods, of whom Jehovah is the God, and so they twist and “explain away” the many other Biblical mentions of the many other gods Jehovah is the God OF.
Yes but Mike, for us there is one God, the Father, and one Lord, the man, Jesus Christ. (1Cor 8:6 and 1Tim 2:5).
And check this,
1Corinthians 12:1-11
Now concerning spiritual gifts, brothers, I don’t want you to be ignorant. You know that when you were unbelievers, you were enticed and led astray to worship idols that couldn’t even speak. For this reason I want you to be aware that no one who is speaking BY GOD'S SPIRIT can say, “Jesus is cursed,” and no one can say, “JESUS IS LORD,” except BY THE HOLY SPIRIT.
Now there are varieties of gifts, BUT THE SAME SPIRIT, and there are varieties of ministries, BUT THE SAME LORD. There are varieties of results, but it is the same God who produces all the results in everyone.
To each person has been given the ability to manifest THE SPIRIT for the common good. To one has been given a message of wisdom by THE SPIRIT; to another the ability to speak with knowledge according to THE SAME SPIRIT; to another faith by THE SAME SPIRIT; to another gifts of healing by that one Spirit; to another miraculous results; to another prophecy; to another the ability to distinguish between spirits; to another various kinds of languages; and to another the interpretation of languages. But ONE AND THE SAME SPIRIT PRODUCES ALL THESE RESULTS and gives what he wants to each person.
2Corinthians 3:12-18,
Therefore, since we have such a hope, we speak very boldly, not like Moses, who kept covering his face with a veil to keep the people of Israel from gazing at the end of what was fading away. However, their minds were hardened, for to this day the same veil is still there when they read the old covenant. Only in union with the Messiah is that veil removed. Yet even to this day, when Moses is read, a veil covers their hearts. But whenever a person turns to the Lord, the veil is removed. Now THE LORD IS THE SPIRIT, and where the Lord’s Spirit is, there is freedom. As all of us reflect the glory of the Lord with unveiled faces, we are becoming more like him with ever-increasing glory by the Lord’s Spirit.
So, we have in those verses:
The same spirit;
it being only one spirit;
that one Spirit being God's Spirit;
it being the Holy Spirit;
Jesus is Lord;
and the Lord is………the Spirit!Mike,
Quote Matthew 12:35
A good man out of the good treasure of his heart brings forth good things, and an evil man out of the evil treasure brings forth evil things.The word “good”, as bolded above, describes a human being who is “agathe”, Kerwin. And there are other scriptures that list mankind as “agathe/good”.
In fact, I listed one of them in my first post to Gene on this subject – just in case someone like you tried to find a discrepancy between the Greek words used.
So now tell me how Jesus can speak about a “good human” – when no one is good but God alone?
That is a better passage to make your point. Never the less you cannot use Scripture to break Scripture. Scripture teaches us that only Jehovah is immune to being tempted and doing evil, James 1:13. It is clear Jesus is speaking of that immunity when he replies to the man that only Jehovah is good, Mark 10:18 & Luke 18:19.
Let us look at:
Luke 11:13
King James Version (KJV)13 If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him?
Jesus states “if ye then, being evil, …” The ye is specifically disciples but in general is humanity.
So clearly the good man in Matthew 12:35 is also an evil man and there is no good God, evil God duality in Jehovah.
Paul teaches us of the struggle between his good man and his evil man and his deliverance from that struggle by Jesus Christ, Romans 7:23-25.
Jesus, like Paul, has the evil man and so he told the man that called him good that no one but Jehovah is good. Unlike Paul he was not chained to the evil man as he was born free.
The good man is good only because Jehovah is doing his work through the man who is evil without Jehovah.
John 14:10
King James Version (KJV)10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.
Yes Jesus is evil because he has a soulish nature.
Yes Jesus is good because he has and lives by a Spirit nature and so Jehovah lives in him and does his good works.Quote (kerwin @ Feb. 09 2013,19:18) Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 09 2013,13:33) Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 09 2013,11:16) Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 09 2013,02:14) Hi Pierre, “Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by “the word” of God,
so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.” (Heb 11:3)framed: From kata and a derivative of artios; to complete thoroughly, i.e.
Repair (literally or figuratively) or adjust — fit, frame, mend,
(make) perfect(-ly join together), prepare, restore.“Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.
And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and
he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.” (Gen 2:1-2)God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
EDJYOUR ANSWER LAY IN THIS SCRIPTURE;
Jn 1:2 He(JESUS) was with God in the beginning.
Jn 1:3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made.
Jn 1:4 In him was life, and that life was the light of men.
Jn 1:5 The light shines in the darkness, but the darkness has not understood it.
Hi Pierre,It doesn't say Jesus there.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Ed J.You are correct that T is reading Jesus into the passage.
Kand yes terraricca his right
Mike,
The only reason that you are trying to say that there are other gods is so that you can make John 1:1 say that God's own word was another god!
They exchanged God's truth for a lie and worshiped and served the creation rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.
Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 10 2013,03:56) Quote (kerwin @ Feb. 09 2013,19:18) Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 09 2013,13:33) Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 09 2013,11:16) Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 09 2013,02:14) Hi Pierre, “Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by “the word” of God,
so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.” (Heb 11:3)framed: From kata and a derivative of artios; to complete thoroughly, i.e.
Repair (literally or figuratively) or adjust — fit, frame, mend,
(make) perfect(-ly join together), prepare, restore.“Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.
And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and
he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.” (Gen 2:1-2)God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
EDJYOUR ANSWER LAY IN THIS SCRIPTURE;
Jn 1:2 He(JESUS) was with God in the beginning.
Jn 1:3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made.
Jn 1:4 In him was life, and that life was the light of men.
Jn 1:5 The light shines in the darkness, but the darkness has not understood it.
Hi Pierre,It doesn't say Jesus there.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Ed J.You are correct that T is reading Jesus into the passage.
Kand yes terraricca his right
T,Do you believe Jesus was made through Jesus or that Jesus was made through the Word?
Quote Jn 1:3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. Quote (2besee @ Feb. 10 2013,04:21) Mike, The only reason that you are trying to say that there are other gods is so that you can make John 1:1 say that God's own word was another god!
They exchanged God's truth for a lie and worshiped and served the creation rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.
2beesee,1) Scripture uses god in a more general fashion than we are used to as it call each and every one of the children of Israel god.
a) a god is not the same type of being as God.
b) According to my limited knowledge the translation “the Word is a god” is allowed.
e) allowed does not equal true.
c) It is not a god that tabernacles in the flesh.
d) a god(messenger) did not transform into a god(human).Quote (kerwin @ Feb. 10 2013,04:43) Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 10 2013,03:56) Quote (kerwin @ Feb. 09 2013,19:18) Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 09 2013,13:33) Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 09 2013,11:16) Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 09 2013,02:14) Hi Pierre, “Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by “the word” of God,
so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.” (Heb 11:3)framed: From kata and a derivative of artios; to complete thoroughly, i.e.
Repair (literally or figuratively) or adjust — fit, frame, mend,
(make) perfect(-ly join together), prepare, restore.“Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.
And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and
he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.” (Gen 2:1-2)God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
EDJYOUR ANSWER LAY IN THIS SCRIPTURE;
Jn 1:2 He(JESUS) was with God in the beginning.
Jn 1:3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made.
Jn 1:4 In him was life, and that life was the light of men.
Jn 1:5 The light shines in the darkness, but the darkness has not understood it.
Hi Pierre,It doesn't say Jesus there.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Ed J.You are correct that T is reading Jesus into the passage.
Kand yes terraricca his right
T,Do you believe Jesus was made through Jesus or that Jesus was made through the Word?
Quote Jn 1:3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made.
Kneither Christ =the WORD were made through God himself ;this is why it took the power (holy spirit )of God to intervene into the WORD to receive flesh and walk among us on the earth ;
this is why it says ;
Jn 1:9 The true light that gives light to every man was coming(it did not say here how he was coming ) into the world.
Jn 1:10 He was in the world, and though the world was made through him, the world did not recognize him.
Jn 1:11 He came to that which was his own, but his own did not receive him.read those scriptures very slowly and understand what it says
and more ;
Jn 1:14 The” Word “became(it does not say he was flesh and became the WORD or Christ ) flesh and made his dwelling among us(if he came and made his dwellings with us ,is that not mean that his dwellings were not always with us ???YES). We have seen his glory, the glory of the One and Only, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.
also;
Col 1:15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation.
Col 1:16 For by him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible
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