In the Beginning

[terraricca]

Quote (2besee @ Feb. 01 2013,16:25)

……….After I have caught up with Mike and T's posts pages ago. I personally think that this thread should be closed now though. Otherwise it will go on and on and on, lol.

2bee and others

this is usually a request that many feel ,wen they start to see that they will not be able to defend their own views ,with scriptures without twisting them,

just remember GODLY TRUTH is not truth that appears to us as right and true ,BUT TRUTH THAT IS AND REMAINS TRUE THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE SCRIPTURES ,

so your truth as to be  true to GOD's ALL written word,

and should be explained accordingly ,if not ,WHAT YOU THEN UNDERSTAND WOULD ONLY BE YOUR OWN REFLECTION RIGHT yes

[Wakeup]

Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 02 2013,03:21)

Quote (2besee @ Feb. 01 2013,16:25) ……….After I have caught up with Mike and T's posts pages ago. I personally think that this thread should be closed now though. Otherwise it will go on and on and on, lol. 2bee and others this is usually a request that many feel ,wen they start to see that they will not be able to defend their own views ,with scriptures without twisting them, just remember GODLY TRUTH is not truth that appears to us as right and true ,BUT TRUTH THAT IS AND REMAINS TRUE THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE SCRIPTURES , so your truth as to be  true to GOD's ALL written word, and should be explained accordingly ,if not ,WHAT YOU THEN UNDERSTAND WOULD ONLY BE YOUR OWN REFLECTION RIGHT yes

Terra.

With that I agree.

wakeup.

[2besee]

Terraricca,

NO. When one looks for truth, and finds truth, that is a good thing. others will disagree. So then the debate on an Internet forum will go on and on and on, and it should not be so. It is fruitless.

I will not be changing my belief, and vice versa.

So, what is the point?

[Ed J]

Hi 2Besee,

The point is for the readers that may have not considered the alternative.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Ed J]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Feb. 02 2013,02:03)

ED J…………The Spirit is the anointing Spirit The term the Spirit oif Christ is refering to that. Just as it say the Sprit of the Prophet was directing them  that Sprit is the Spirit of God and it comes by way of Anointing and that is what the word Christ or Christos means. It is sometime confusing because that word came be uses for Jesus, But when it is it is talking about the Anointed Jesus or as the Messiah which also mean Anointed one. The Spirit of Jesus is the Holy Spirit of GOD Brother. peace and lvoe to you and yours………………………………….gene

Hi Gene,

Are you suggesting that Jesus didn't have a spirit of his own?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[2besee]

Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 02 2013,09:22)

Hi 2Besee, The point is for the readers that may have not considered the alternative. God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Hi Ed,

Ecclesiastes 12:12-13

Of making many books there is no end, and much study is a weariness of the flesh.

The end of the matter; all has been heard. Fear God, and keep his commandments; for this is the whole duty of man.

[Ed J]

Quote (2besee @ Feb. 02 2013,07:53)

Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 02 2013,09:22) Hi 2Besee, The point is for the readers that may have not considered the alternative. God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org Hi Ed, Ecclesiastes 12:12-13 Of making many books there is no end, and much study is a weariness of the flesh. The end of the matter; all has been heard. Fear God, and keep his commandments; for this is the whole duty of man.

Amen!

[2besee]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Feb. 02 2013,04:03)

ED J…………The Spirit is the anointing Spirit The term the Spirit oif Christ is refering to that. Just as it say the Sprit of the Prophet was directing them  that Sprit is the Spirit of God and it comes by way of Anointing and that is what the word Christ or Christos means. It is sometime confusing because that word came be uses for Jesus, But when it is it is talking about the Anointed Jesus or as the Messiah which also mean Anointed one. The Spirit of Jesus is the Holy Spirit of GOD Brother. peace and lvoe to you and yours………………………………….gene

Hi Gene and Ed,

Scriptures seem to agree with Gene – one spirit.

1Cor 12:3-13

'Therefore I want you to understand that no one speaking by the Spirit of God ever says “Jesus be cursed!” and no one can say “Jesus is Lord” except by the Holy Spirit.

Now there are varieties of gifts, but the same Spirit;
and there are varieties of service, but the same Lord;
and there are varieties of working, but it is the same God who inspires them all in every one.
To each is given the manifestation of the Spirit for the common good.
To one is given through the Spirit the utterance of wisdom, and to another the utterance of knowledge according to the same Spirit,
to another faith by the same Spirit, to another gifts of healing by the one Spirit,
to another the working of miracles, to another prophecy, to another the ability to distinguish between spirits, to another various kinds of tongues, to another the interpretation of tongues.
All these are inspired by one and the same Spirit, who apportions to each one individually as he wills.

For just as the body is one and has many members, and all the members of the body, though many, are one body, so it is with Christ.

For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body — Jews or Greeks, slaves or free — and all were made to drink of one Spirit.'

[terraricca]

Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 02 2013,02:58)

Quote (2besee @ Feb. 02 2013,07:53) Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 02 2013,09:22) Hi 2Besee, The point is for the readers that may have not considered the alternative. God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org Hi Ed, Ecclesiastes 12:12-13 Of making many books there is no end, and much study is a weariness of the flesh. The end of the matter; all has been heard. Fear God, and keep his commandments; for this is the whole duty of man. Amen!

2bee

you still quote scriptures but without understanding to it ,

Solomon also says this;;
Pr 1:2 for attaining wisdom and discipline;
for understanding words of insight;
Pr 1:3 for acquiring a disciplined and prudent life,
doing what is right and just and fair;
Pr 1:4 for giving prudence to the simple,
knowledge and discretion to the young—
Pr 1:5 let the wise listen and add to their learning,
and let the discerning get guidance—
Pr 1:6 for understanding proverbs and parables,
the sayings and riddles of the wise.

Pr 1:7 The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge,
but fools despise wisdom and discipline.

Heb 6:1 Therefore let us leave the elementary teachings about Christ and go on to maturity, not laying again the foundation of repentance from acts that lead to death, and of faith in God,
Heb 6:2 instruction about baptisms, the laying on of hands, the resurrection of the dead, and eternal judgment.
Heb 6:3 And God permitting, we will do so.

so,2bee,is it your intention to stay in the “ELEMENTARY TEACHINGS ABOUT CHRIST “”” and NOT go and seek MATURITY

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Terraricca, NO. When one looks for truth, and finds truth, that is a good thing. others will disagree. So then the debate on an Internet forum will go on and on and on, and it should not be so. It is fruitless. I will not be changing my belief, and vice versa. So, what is the point?

just remember GODLY TRUTH is not truth that appears to us as right and true ,BUT TRUTH THAT IS AND REMAINS TRUE THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE SCRIPTURES ,

so your truth as to be true to GOD's ALL written word,

and should be explained accordingly ,if not ,WHAT YOU THEN UNDERSTAND WOULD ONLY BE YOUR OWN REFLECTION RIGHT,? yes

[Ed J]

Quote (2besee @ Feb. 02 2013,08:08)

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Feb. 02 2013,04:03) ED J…………The Spirit is the anointing Spirit The term the Spirit oif Christ is refering to that. Just as it say the Sprit of the Prophet was directing them  that Sprit is the Spirit of God and it comes by way of Anointing and that is what the word Christ or Christos means. It is sometime confusing because that word came be uses for Jesus, But when it is it is talking about the Anointed Jesus or as the Messiah which also mean Anointed one. The Spirit of Jesus is the Holy Spirit of GOD Brother. peace and lvoe to you and yours………………………………….gene Hi Gene and Ed, Scriptures seem to agree with Gene – one spirit. 1Cor 12:3-13 'Therefore I want you to understand that no one speaking by the Spirit of God ever says “Jesus be cursed!” and no one can say “Jesus is Lord” except by the Holy Spirit. Now there are varieties of gifts, but the same Spirit; and there are varieties of service, but the same Lord; and there are varieties of working, but it is the same God who inspires them all in every one. To each is given the manifestation of the Spirit for the common good. To one is given through the Spirit the utterance of wisdom, and to another the utterance of knowledge according to the same Spirit, to another faith by the same Spirit, to another gifts of healing by the one Spirit, to another the working of miracles, to another prophecy, to another the ability to distinguish between spirits, to another various kinds of tongues, to another the interpretation of tongues. All these are inspired by one and the same Spirit, who apportions to each one individually as he wills. For just as the body is one and has many members, and all the members of the body, though many, are one body, so it is with Christ. For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body — Jews or Greeks, slaves or free — and all were made to drink of one Spirit.'

Hi 2Besee,

Shall we change John 14:23 to fit with your understanding?

John 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words:
and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

Please explain just exactly John 14:23 fits with you understanding?      …because I don't see how it could?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[2besee]

Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 02 2013,10:25)

Hi 2Besee, Shall we change John 14:23 to fit with your understanding? John 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.[/color] Please explain just exactly John 14:23 fits with you understanding?      …because I don't see how it could? God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Ed,
God through the Holy Spirit?

[Ed J]

Quote (2besee @ Feb. 02 2013,08:43)

Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 02 2013,10:25) Hi 2Besee, Shall we change John 14:23 to fit with your understanding? John 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.[/color] Please explain just exactly John 14:23 fits with you understanding?      …because I don't see how it could? God bless Ed J Ed, God through the Holy Spirit?

Hi 2Besee,

What is that suppose to mean in reference to my question to you?
Which is: who is the “WE” that Jesus is referring to? I say:

1. HolySpirit
2. Spirit of Christ

What say you?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[2besee]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 01 2013,12:53)

Quote (2besee @ Jan. 30 2013,14:13) To say that there is only one God which is YHVH and to then apply that bible rule to the verse in John 1:1 is correct. Oops, let me stop you right there, 2B.  The scriptures teach of MANY gods, one of which is Jesus Christ. Is what I've said above scripturally correct, or not?

God is only one – not a combo of Gods but one, Mind and Spirit. Man was made in God's image (mind and spirit) Genesis 1:26-30 before being formed out of the dust into a body (became a living soul (Genesis 2:7)

The word “God” when used in any other way in scripture, would have to be a title IF you believe ALL of the Scriptures that say that GOD IS ONE and that there is no other God beside Him.

[2besee]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 01 2013,13:23)

To sum up: MY scripture-backed explanation of John 1:1 is accurate, and fits all the criteria. YOUR explanation remains this: 1.  The Word actually IS God, therefore John, for some odd reason, was telling us, “In the beginning was God.  And God was with God.  And God was God.” Hmmmm……………………  Does that really sound sensible to you, 2B?

Yes, it does sound true because it is only the spirit of truth that leads us to all of the truth and the spirit of truth is what leads us to accept and believe that in the beginning was the word and the word was with God and the word was God.

Perhaps mans mind cannot understand it but the spirit of truth does understand it.

[2besee]

Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 02 2013,11:05)

Quote (2besee @ Feb. 02 2013,08:43) Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 02 2013,10:25) Hi 2Besee, Shall we change John 14:23 to fit with your understanding? John 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.[/color] Please explain just exactly John 14:23 fits with you understanding?      …because I don't see how it could? God bless Ed J Ed, God through the Holy Spirit? Hi 2Besee, What is that suppose to mean in reference to my question to you? Which is: who is the “WE” that Jesus is referring to? I say: 1. HolySpirit 2. Spirit of Christ What say you? God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Hi Ed,

I would say,

1. God who is spirit and is in heaven and is with us by..
2. The Holy Spirit who was sent.

[Ed J]

Quote (2besee @ Feb. 02 2013,09:37)

God is only one – not a combo of Gods but one, Mind and Spirit. Man was made in God's image (mind and spirit) Genesis 1:26-30 before being formed out of the dust into a body (became a living soul (Genesis 2:7) The word “God” when used in any other way in scripture, would have to be a title IF you believe ALL of the Scriptures that say that GOD IS ONE and that there is no other God beside Him.

Hi 2Besee,

Excellent post!

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Ed J]

Quote (2besee @ Feb. 02 2013,09:54)

Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 02 2013,11:05) Quote (2besee @ Feb. 02 2013,08:43) Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 02 2013,10:25) Hi 2Besee, Shall we change John 14:23 to fit with your understanding? John 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.[/color] Please explain just exactly John 14:23 fits with you understanding?      …because I don't see how it could? God bless Ed J Ed, God through the Holy Spirit? Hi 2Besee, What is that suppose to mean in reference to my question to you? Which is: who is the “WE” that Jesus is referring to? I say: 1. HolySpirit 2. Spirit of Christ What say you? God bless Ed J Hi Ed, I would say, 1. God who is spirit and is in heaven and is with us by.. 2. The Holy Spirit who was sent.

Hi 2Besee,

So you're saying that the “HolySpirit” is not God's spirit then, yes?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[2besee]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 01 2013,13:43)

Okay 2B, It seems you take issue with my supporting scriptures.  Fair enough, let's deal with them. I have added my own words into your post.  Please address those 8 purple points. For the first 7 points, just write “Holy Spirit” or “Jesus”.  The 8th point requires a little more than one word. Rev 19:11-16 Then I saw heaven opened, and behold, a white horse! He (1.  who is the “HE” here?) who sat upon it is called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he (2.  and here?)color judges and makes war. His (3.  and here?) eyes are like a flame of fire, and on his (4.  and here?) head are many diadems; and he (5.  and here?) has a name inscribed which no one knows but himself. He (6.  and here?) is clad in a robe (Jesus' Body) dipped in blood, and the name by which he (7.  and here?) is called is The Word of God. And the armies of heaven, arrayed in fine linen, white and pure, followed him on white horses. From his mouth (Jesus) (8.  wait a minute…….. are we to just assume that John HAS BEEN talking about the Holy Spirit, and then just switches subjects without any warning?) issues a sharp sword with which to smite the nations, and he will rule them with a rod of iron; he will tread the wine press of the fury of the wrath of God the Almighty. On his robe and on his thigh he has a name inscribed, King of kings and Lord of lords.[/i]

Hi Mike, okay.

Rev 19:11-16

Then I saw heaven opened, and behold, a white horse! He (Holy Spirit/Word) who sat upon it is called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he (Holy Spirit/Word) judges and makes war.
His (Holy Spirit/Word) eyes Jesus are like a flame of fire, and on his (Holy Spirit/Word) head Jesus are many diadems; and he (Holy Spirit/Word) has a name inscribed which no one knows but himself.
He (Holy Spirit/Word) is clad in a robe (Jesus is the robe) dipped in blood, and the name by which he (Holy Spirit/Word) is called is The Word of God.
And the armies of heaven, arrayed in fine linen, white and pure, followed him on white horses.

From his mouth (The Holy Spirit/Word spoke through Jesus – the two are as one ) issues a sharp sword with which to smite the nations, and he will rule them with a rod of iron; he will tread the wine press of the fury of the wrath of God the Almighty.
On his robe and on his thigh he has a name inscribed, King of kings and Lord of lords.

[2besee]

Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 02 2013,12:02)

Quote (2besee @ Feb. 02 2013,09:54) Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 02 2013,11:05) Quote (2besee @ Feb. 02 2013,08:43) Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 02 2013,10:25) Hi 2Besee, Shall we change John 14:23 to fit with your understanding? John 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.[/color] Please explain just exactly John 14:23 fits with you understanding?      …because I don't see how it could? God bless Ed J Ed, God through the Holy Spirit? Hi 2Besee, What is that suppose to mean in reference to my question to you? Which is: who is the “WE” that Jesus is referring to? I say: 1. HolySpirit 2. Spirit of Christ What say you? God bless Ed J Hi Ed, I would say, 1. God who is spirit and is in heaven and is with us by.. 2. The Holy Spirit who was sent. Hi 2Besee, So you're saying that the “HolySpirit” is not God's spirit then, yes? God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Hi Ed,
No, the Holy Spirit and God is one.

[Ed J]

Hi 2Besee,

So GOD has “two” spirits then?
Since one is the “HolySpirit”,
what is the other then?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

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