In the Beginning

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Quote (2besee @ Jan. 31 2013,07:13)

That is why Jesus said that God was IN HIM and yet also IN HEAVEN!

Hi 2Besee,

Heaven in the sense where God is – is a place of elevation. (not a specific location)

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

February 1, 2013 at 5:25 am#330782

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Quote (2besee @ Feb. 01 2013,09:47)

T, I thought that you were talking about me and others in your post, that is what it seemed like.

2bee

I have read your long post ,and you do not see what scriptures are saying because you have in your mind a pre set agenda, of believes,

Your scriptures that you quote are they really prove that God,s word,is with him and next that the word his himselve ,

Now be nice and tell me how can your words be with you at the same time be you,

And the scripture you quoted were God says that his words never comes back to him unless they are accomplished,

This as nothing to do with the words but with the power that God as to fulfill his will ,

Now scriptures are saying that God chose his own king ,according to his own heart, and that his Christ ,why are you against God,s choice

God long ago chose Mosese many argued and refuse to accept him as leader and he was called a god, and it was very deadly to stand against God chosen one ,

Your defense for not recognize Christ as the son o God that came down from heaven and became covered with flesh and give up his live as a man for our sins,

You will find yourself not able to answer many questions ,and so run away from truth but stick with your pre conceived opinions on who his Christ ,

And so be declared that you do not know him neither his father,

Answer Mike questions because for the thrush in you and to know God and the one he send ,you have to answer the questions,

God,s words alway teaches the truth if you ask them the right questions,

February 1, 2013 at 5:29 am#330783

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Quote (2besee @ Jan. 31 2013,07:13)

That is why Jesus said that God was IN HIM and yet also IN HEAVEN!

Hi 2Besee,

Heaven in the sense where God is – is a place of elevation. (not a specific location)

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Edj

May be what God calls heaven is not what we call heaven ,

And how would we know we're God ,s heaven is

And God being is not in anyone ,scriptures do not teach that ,

February 1, 2013 at 5:29 am#330784

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Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 01 2013,15:25)

2bee

And the scripture you quoted were God says that his words never comes back to him unless they are accomplished,

This as nothing to do with the words but with the power that God as to fulfill his will ,

Hi Pierre,

Gods' words have nothing to do with God's words? WHAT?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

February 1, 2013 at 5:31 am#330785

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Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 01 2013,15:29)

Edj

And God being is not in anyone ,scriptures do not teach that ,

“as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.” (2 Cor 6:16)

February 1, 2013 at 5:35 am#330786

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Now T, that is what I am saying. How do you know that I or ALL OTHERS who do not agree with your view do not know God or His Son? You should not say that in those words T, to anyone.

February 1, 2013 at 5:37 am#330787

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Ed, I will have to address your points and others at a later date.
God bless.

February 1, 2013 at 6:35 am#330789

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Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 01 2013,10:31)

Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 01 2013,15:29)

Edj

And God being is not in anyone ,scriptures do not teach that ,

“as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.” (2 Cor 6:16)

edj

1Jn 2:24 See that what you have heard from the beginning remains in you. If it does, you also will remain in the Son and in the Father.

1Jn 3:9 No one who is born of God will continue to sin, because God’s seed(written word) remains in him; he cannot go on sinning, because he has been born of God.

1Jn 3:23 And this is his command: to believe in the name of his Son, Jesus Christ, and to love one another as he commanded us.
1Jn 3:24 Those who obey his commands live in him, and he in them. And this is how we know that he lives in us: We know it by the Spirit he gave us.

1Jn 4:3 but every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you have heard is coming and even now is already in the world.
1Jn 4:4 You, dear children, are from God and have overcome them, because the one who is in you is greater than the one who is in the world.
1Jn 4:5 They are from the world and therefore speak from the viewpoint of the world, and the world listens to them.
1Jn 4:6 We are from God, and whoever knows God listens to us; but whoever is not from God does not listen to us. This is how we recognize the Spirit of truth and the spirit of falsehood.

now if you read those scriptures carefully you can understand what they say and mean .

IT IS THE WRITTEN WORDS OF GOD COMMAND THAT OUR IN US AND THE SPIRIT OF THE WORD OF GOD IS FUND IN THE SCRIPTURES .

February 1, 2013 at 6:51 am#330790

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Quote (2besee @ Feb. 01 2013,10:35)

Now T, that is what I am saying. How do you know that I or ALL OTHERS who do not agree with your view do not know God or His Son? You should not say that in those words T, to anyone.

2BEE

1Jn 4:4 You, dear children, are from God and have overcome them, because the one who is in you is greater than the one who is in the world.
1Jn 4:5 They are from the world and therefore speak from the viewpoint of the world, and the world listens to them.
1Jn 4:6 We are from God, and whoever knows God listens to us; but whoever is not from God does not listen to us. This is how we recognize the Spirit of truth and the spirit of falsehood.

JUST A QUESTION IF TRUTH IS NOT FUND IN YOU OR YOUR WORDS THEN WHAT IS THERE IN

YOU KNOW IF YOU LOOK IN A STALK OF STRAW FOR A BUTTON BUT BEFORE YOU START LOOKING YOU ALSO MADE UP YOUR MIND HOW THAT BUTTON SHOULD LOOK ,THEN HOW WOULD YOU FIND IT IF THAT BUTTON LIKE THE ONE YOU THINK IS NOT FUND ???WOULD YOU NOT DISREGARD ANY OTHER THAT YOU MAY ENCOUNTER ???YES YOU WOULD

SAME IN SCRIPTURES IF YOU ARE READING GOD'S WORD BUT YOU HAVE ALREADY MADE UP YOUR MIND ON WHAT IT SHOULD BE ,THEN WHY WOULD THE SCRIPTURES REVEAL ANYTHING TO YOU IT WONT ,BUT IS WHAT YOU KNOW TRUTH NO IT IS NOT GOD'S TRUTH IT IS YOURS ,

YES YOU USE SCRIPTURES BUT YOU USE THEM TO SATISFY YOUR OWN AMBITION,AND THE GOOD FEELING YOU FEEL IS THE ONE THAT SATISFIED THE FLESH OF CONTENTMENT ,

NOT THE HAPPINESS OF HAVING RECEIVED THE TRUTH FROM GOD ,AND GIVE HIM GLORY ,

February 1, 2013 at 7:21 am#330793

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Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 01 2013,18:51)

Quote (2besee @ Feb. 01 2013,10:35)

Now T, that is what I am saying. How do you know that I or ALL OTHERS who do not agree with your view do not know God or His Son? You should not say that in those words T, to anyone.

2BEE

JUST A QUESTION IF TRUTH IS NOT FUND IN YOU OR YOUR WORDS THEN WHAT IS THERE IN

YES YOU USE SCRIPTURES BUT YOU USE THEM TO SATISFY YOUR OWN AMBITION,AND THE GOOD FEELING YOU FEEL IS THE ONE THAT SATISFIED THE FLESH OF CONTENTMENT ,

NOT THE HAPPINESS OF HAVING RECEIVED THE TRUTH FROM GOD ,AND GIVE HIM GLORY ,

T,
I was an Arian like you until I asked in prayer who Jesus was, and I was shown that Jesus is the Holy Spirit. And not only was I shown this and other verses that taught me more, but I was reconnected in many ways to God who I know in spirit and in truth.

I have another verse.

2Cor 3.12-18

Since we have such a hope, we are very bold, not like Moses, who put a veil over his face so that the Israelites might not see the end of the fading splendor.
But their minds were hardened; for to this day, when they read the old covenant, that same veil remains unlifted, because only through Christ is it taken away.

Yes, to this day whenever Moses is read a veil lies over their minds; but when a man turns to the Lord the veil is removed.

Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom. And we all, with unveiled face, beholding the glory of the Lord, are being changed into his likeness from one degree of glory to another; for this comes from the Lord who is the Spirit.

The Lord (Jesus) is the Spirit.

February 1, 2013 at 7:21 am#330794

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Edj

And God being is not in anyone ,scriptures do not teach that ,

“as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.” (2 Cor 6:16)

Hi Pierre,

So do you agree with what this verse says or not?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

February 1, 2013 at 7:34 am#330795

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Matt 12:31-32

Therefore I tell you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven.
And whoever says a word against the Son of man will be forgiven; but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come.

February 1, 2013 at 7:35 am#330796

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My apologies Ed, that last post was a continuation on from the one before.

February 1, 2013 at 7:54 am#330798

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Now put those two verses together, 2Corinthians 3 and Matthew 12.

Therefore I tell you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven.
And whoever says a word against the Son of man will be forgiven; but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come.

February 1, 2013 at 8:07 am#330799

kerwin

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Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 30 2013,15:34)

Where is Jesus called a god in Revelations 19:11-15?

I didn't say Jesus was called a god in the book of Revelation. He is called “the Word of God” in chapter 19 of that book. Do you agree? YES or NO?

Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 30 2013,15:34)

John 17:5 infers Jesus had glory with Jehovah before God created the earth and that Jesus was not yet glorified with that glory as of his petition in John 17.5.

Incorrect, Kerwin. The words are, “glorify me now with the glory I WAS HAVING with you before the world began”. And the fact that JESUS HIMSELF spoke of a glory HE WAS HAVING before the world began means JESUS HIMSELF was there having that glory.

Can you refute the simple logic of that point, Kerwin?

Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 30 2013,15:34)

1) Jesus' glory was with Jehovah before the beginning.

Nope. See above. Jesus himself WAS HAVING (had) that glory – according to HIS OWN words.

Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 30 2013,15:34)

2) Jesus is called by the name of the Word at the time John sees him in a vision.

Nope. There is NOTHING in the whole of scripture to suggest there is some “being” with the name “the Word of God”, and Jesus was called by THAT BEING'S name in a vision. The whole concept is laugable and nonsensical, Kerwin. It is clear from the comparisons I made in my earlier post (eyes of blazing fire, sword coming out of the mouth, etc.) that the one discussed in Rev 19:11-16 is none other than Jesus Christ. It is NOT clear, from that passage, or any other passage, that Jesus is being called by the name of SOMEONE ELSE.

Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 30 2013,15:34)

3) Jesus is called God, but not Jehovah, in Scripture.

AGREED! This one troubles me a little bit, because both you and 2B have already acknowledged the scriptural FACT that Jesus IS called “god” in certain scriptures. Yet here 2B is, trying to make up his own, alternate reading of Heb 1:8-9 – as if he's trying to prove that Jesus ISN'T called “god” in scripture. I don't get it, since he ALREADY acknowledged that he WAS called “god”.

At any rate, it seems that so far we all agree on that one thing.

Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 30 2013,15:34)

Your three points stand refuted.

And since you and I DO agree that Jesus is called “god” in scripture, you couldn't have possibly refuted all three of my points, Kerwin. In fact, you didn't refute even one of them. Your rebuttals are as follows:

1. Jesus IS called a god in scripture (but not “Jehovah”). With this I agree. It is actually what I stated, right? Agreeing with what I wrote is not “refuting” it, Kerwin.

2. John 17:5 is talking about a glory that has been WAITING FOR Jesus since before the world began. That interpretation doesn't actually fit the scripture, since Jesus refers to that glory as “the glory I WAS HAVING before the world began”.

3. Rev 19:13 refers to a DIFFERENT being who is named “the Word of God”, and for some unknown reason, and without even a hint of this in the scripture itself, you have decided that Jesus is being called by the name of this DIFFERENT being, or whatever.

Kerwin, is it possible that “the Word of God” is one of Jesus' many names/titles, and that he is called by this name, among many others, in Rev 19:11-16?

Is it possible that John 17:5 actually DOES speak of a glory Jesus WAS HAVING alongside his God before the world began………. seeing how that's what the words of that scripture actually SAY?

If the answer to either question is “NO”, then please explain which scripture PROHIBITS such an understanding.

Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 30 2013,15:34)

1) The Word is made concrete in God, and is with God.
2) The translation of the Word is God is reasonable as God is made flesh by dwelling in those that believe by his Spirit.

1. Doesn't make a lick of sense to me, Kerwin. Is the Word “made concrete IN God”? Or is the Word actually God – as you claim in #2?

2. See? Now you're saying the Word actually IS God, and that God is the One who is “made flesh” by dwelling in certain people. But that leaves you with this teaching from John:

In the beginning was God. And God was with God. And God was God.

Does that teaching make sense to you, Kerwin? Or do these words from the NETNote scholars make better sense?

The construction in John 1:1c does not equate the Word with the person of God (this is ruled out by 1:1b, “the Word was with God”);

Mike,

“to make concrete and perceptible” is a definition of embody from Merriam-Websters.

The Word was not made concrete and perceptible in God, it has always been so and was so in the beginning.

That is why you have the clause the Word was God and not the clause the Word was made God.

The Word is with God because Jehovah not only does his Word but speaks his Word.

Note: the word “embody” does not imply or infer that Jehovah has a body.

February 1, 2013 at 8:19 am#330801

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Now T, that is what I am saying. How do you know that I or ALL OTHERS who do not agree with your view do not know God or His Son? You should not say that in those words T, to anyone.

2BEE

JUST A QUESTION IF TRUTH IS NOT FUND IN YOU OR YOUR WORDS THEN WHAT IS THERE IN

YES YOU USE SCRIPTURES BUT YOU USE THEM TO SATISFY YOUR OWN AMBITION,AND THE GOOD FEELING YOU FEEL IS THE ONE THAT SATISFIED THE FLESH OF CONTENTMENT ,

NOT THE HAPPINESS OF HAVING RECEIVED THE TRUTH FROM GOD ,AND GIVE HIM GLORY ,

I have another verse.

2Cor 3.12-18

Yes, to this day whenever Moses is read a veil lies over their minds; but when a man turns to the Lord the veil is removed.

The Lord (Jesus) is the Spirit.

2be

It seems you do not understand those scriptures you are quoting to me ,just quoting them does not mean you understood them right Yes

So could explain “
What the spirit of the Lord means

And what the veil that Moses put on his face ,how is it that Paul interpret it

February 1, 2013 at 8:20 am#330802

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Quote (2besee @ Jan. 31 2013,07:13)

(1)The Holy Spirit came here and was in the anointed man Jesus.
(2)He was given the name Jesus and it is in his (Jesus') name that we are saved.

Hi 2Besee,

1) The Holy Spirit came here and was in the anointed man Jesus, AFTER JESUS' BAPTISM. (John 1:14)

2) The “HolySpirit” is the spirit of “GOD”, and the spirit of Christ is Jesus' spirit. (two spirits in unity)

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

February 1, 2013 at 8:20 am#330803

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Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 01 2013,12:21)

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Edj

And God being is not in anyone ,scriptures do not teach that ,

“as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.” (2 Cor 6:16)

Hi Pierre,

So do you agree with what this verse says or not?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Edj

Did you not read my answer

February 1, 2013 at 10:11 am#330809

http://biblos.com/john/14-24.htm

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Hi Mike, part 2.

That Jesus was a man 100%, but the Holy Spirit was in Him:

1 John 4:3 “And every spirit who doesn't confess that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is not of God, and this is the spirit of the Antichrist, of whom you have heard that it comes. Now it is in the world already.”

'In the flesh' means as a man.
'Flesh' always had the same meaning in the Bible. Jesus said “Flesh and blood has not revealed this to you but my Father in Heaven” Flesh means man.

Matthew 16:17
And Jesus answered him, “Blessed are you, Simon Bar-Jona! For flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but my Father who is in heaven.“

Matthew 26:41
Watch and pray that you may not enter into temptation; the spirit indeed is willing, but the flesh is weak.”

Luke 24:39
“See my hands and my feet, that it is I myself; handle me, and see; for a spirit has not flesh and bones as you see that I have.“

God is spirit.
Spirit does not have flesh and bones, as Jesus said.
Therefore, Jesus was a man, not something that was part man and part god.

Spirit gives birth to spirit, flesh gives birth to flesh.

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'In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God.'

The Word is divine speech, it is God's Word. It is spoken through the spirit.

John 6:63
It is the spirit that gives life, the flesh is of no avail; the words that I have spoken to you are spirit and life.

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The eternal Spirit of the Father has always been here. When you pray it is the eternal Spirit which is interceding for you between heaven and earth. It is the Spirit of God, and it is the same Spirit which was in Jesus. It is, I believe, also called the Spirit of Christ (Same Spirit).

” You are not in the flesh but in the Spirit — if it is so, that the Spirit of God dwells in you.
But if any man doesn't have the Spirit of Christ, he is not his.“

There you see the Spirit of God and the Spirit of Christ.

1 Corinthians 3:16 “Don't you know that you yourselves are God's temple and that God's Spirit lives in you?“

1 Corinthians 6:17 'But he who unites himself with the Lord is one with him in spirit.'
1 Corinthians 6:19 'Do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own.'

So, the Spirit of God is the Holy Spirit and the Spirit of Christ as you can see above, is the same thing. You also know from other Scripture that it is the one and the same Spirit, in believers.

1 Peter 1:10-12.

'The prophets who prophesied of the grace that was to be yours searched and inquired about this salvation; they inquired what person or time was indicated by the Spirit of Christ within them when predicting the sufferings of Christ and the subsequent glory.
It was revealed to them that they were serving not themselves but you, in the things which have now been announced to you by those who preached the good news to you through the Holy Spirit sent from heaven, things into which angels long to look.'

Do you see in that verse, how the 'Spirit of Christ' was in the Prophets of old, and came down from Heaven — the Holy Spirit.

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“Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, AND THEY SHALL CALL HIS NAME EMMANUEL, which being interpreted is, GOD WITH US'….His name was Jesus and in the name of Jesus we are saved, not in any other name.

“Then Peter, filled with the Holy Spirit, said to them, “You rulers of the people, and elders of Israel, if we are examined today concerning a good deed done to a crippled man, by what means this man has been healed, be it known to you all, and to all the people of Israel, that in the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom you crucified, whom God raised from the dead, in him does this man stand here before you whole. He is 'the stone which was regarded as worthless by you, the builders, which has become the head of the corner.' There is salvation in none other, for neither is there any other name under heaven, that is given among men, by which we must be saved!“

The name in which we are saved is JESUS or YAHSHUA, which means 'YAH SAVES'.

“But false prophets also arose among the people, as false teachers will also be among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, denying even the Master who bought them, bringing on themselves swift destruction.” 2Peter 2:1.

Jude 1:4 “For certain people have crept in unnoticed who long ago were designated for this condemnation, ungodly people, who pervert the grace of our God into sensuality and deny our only Master and Lord, Jesus Christ.”

1 John 2:22 “Who is the liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the Antichrist, he who denies the Father and the Son.”

Revelation 3:8 “I know your works (behold, I have set before you an open door, which no one can shut), that you have a little power, and kept my word, and didn't deny my name.“

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Okay, back to the Word (Logos)…

He who does not love me does not keep my word (logos); and the word (logos) which you hear is not mine but the Father’s who sent me.

When anyone hears the word (logos) of the kingdom …..

http://biblos.com/matthew/13-19.htm

Why neither thought I myself worthy to come to you: but say in a word (logos) and my servant shall be healed.

http://biblos.com/luke/7-7.htm

But he said to them, “My mother and my brothers are those who hear the word (logos) of God and do it.”

http://biblos.com/luke/8-21.htm

When therefore he was raised from the dead, his disciples remembered that he had said this; and they believed the scripture and the word (logos) which Jesus had spoken.

http://biblos.com/john/2-22.htm

Jesus said to him, “Go; your son will live.” The man believed the word (logos) that Jesus spoke to him and went his way.

http://biblos.com/john/4-50.htm

It was that the word (logos) spoken by the prophet Isaiah might be fulfilled:

http://biblos.com/john/12-38.htm

Remember the word (logos) that I said to you, ‘A servant is not greater than his master.’ If they persecuted me, they will persecute you; if they kept my word (logos), they will keep yours also.

http://biblos.com/john/15-20.htm

It is all the same word used in these verses.Strongs 3056. And these are just a few examples. I can find more.

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I know what it is that I believe and that is that the Word of God is God's own Word and Holy Spirit. I believe that 'In the beginning was the Word, the Word was with God and the Word WAS God.' And I believe that the reading of John 1:1 should be kept intact, and I am against the reading being “The Word was a god. The Holy Spirit,Word is more than 'a god' or an Angel or a created being. the Word and the Holy Spirit (Son) is of God and is G
od.

The eternal Spirit is the Holy Spirit and the Holy Spirit came into the World. The World was made through the Eternal Spirit, and in Scripture the Eternal Spirit is called a He.

Jesus was a Son of God, He became the first begotten Son of God.

The Holy Spirit which was in Him is also called the Son of God.

The body which the Holy Spirit was clothed in was the Man Jesus.

Hence why Jesus used the words 'Son of Man' and 'Son of God'.

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1John 2:1-11

My little children, I am writing this to you so that you may not sin; but if any one does sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous;
and he is the expiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the sins of the whole world.

And by this we may be sure that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
He who says “I know him” but disobeys his commandments is a liar, and the truth is not in him;
but whoever keeps his word, in him truly love for God is perfected.
By this we may be sure that we are in him:
he who says he abides in him ought to walk in the same way in which he walked.

Beloved, I am writing you no new commandment, but an old commandment which you had from the beginning;
the old commandment is the word which you have heard.

Yet I am writing you a new commandment, which is true in him and in you, because the darkness is passing away and the true light is already shining.
He who says he is in the light and hates his brother is in the darkness still.
He who loves his brother abides in the light, and in it there is no cause for stumbling.
But he who hates his brother is in the darkness and walks in the darkness, and does not know where he is going, because the darkness has blinded his eyes.

And the whole law is summed up as being love of God and love of neighbor, and our neighbor is the suffering one among us, helping the needy is being a true neighbor. And the needy can be anyone who is 'needy' even the spiritual needy or the lonely or the suffering or the hungry or the hurt, as is shown in scriptures.

So God is light and God is love. And with no light an no love the world would not be a nice place would it.

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In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.
The earth was without form and void, and darkness was upon the face of the deep; and the Spirit of God was moving over the face of the waters.
And God said, “Let there be light”; and there was light.
And God saw that the light was good; and God separated the light from the darkness.'

This is the message we have heard from him and proclaim to you, that God is light and in him is no darkness at all.
If we say we have fellowship with him while we walk in darkness, we lie and do not live according to the truth;
but if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus his Son cleanses us from all sin.
If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just, and will forgive our sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
If we say we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

the darkness is passing away and the true light is already shining.
He who says he is in the light and hates his brother is in the darkness still.
He who loves his brother abides in the light, and in it there is no cause for stumbling.'

In the beginning the Spirit was moving over the waters and God said 'let there be light' (God's love) 'and there was light'.
He who does not love does not know God because God is love.
He who hates his brother is in the darkness.
The opposite of love is hate.
And the opposite of truth is lies.

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Jesus said 'WHY DO YOU CALL ME GOOD? none is good, SAVE ONE, THAT IS, GOD.'

Now we know that Jesus was the only righteous man, so Jesus WAS good. But even he said that there is one God and he here is separating himself as different than that one God, His Father.

Paul said 'There is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the MAN Christ Jesus'.

Jesus was in the flesh (Man) but that which was in him was God (Holy Spirit).

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In the beginning was the Word, the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The Word was in the beginning with God, all things were made through the Word, and without the Word was not anything made that was made. In the Word was life, and the life was the light of men. The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome it.

There was a man sent from God, whose name was John. He came for testimony, to bear witness to the light, that all might believe through him. He was not the light, but came to bear witness to the light.

The true light that enlightens every man was coming into the world.

The Word was in the world, and the world was made through him, yet the world knew him not. He came to his own home, and his own people received him not. But to all who received him, who believed in his name, he gave power to become children of God; who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God.

And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, full of grace and truth; we have beheld his glory, glory as of an only Son from the Father.

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THE WORD WAS GOD

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Not a little god, not a second God, not a third God, but the One God and the One Man Jesus Christ.
The Word was in Him – God was in Him…. God's Word and Spirit was in Him, whilst God was in Heaven. Still the one God.

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the OT tells us that there was only one God and that only one God created the entire universe with his own (moving) spirit and His own (spoken) word, and that, obviously, the spirit and the word was God's own spirit and God's own word, the spirit and the word being part of the entirety of the one God, just as your word and your spirit is a part of the entirety of you, then…… how do you change that entire understanding to mean that the word that is a part of God in John 1:1 can, instead, mean “another god”, or another godlike created creature, when the scriptures say:

Deuteronony 4
[35] To you it was shown, that you might know that the LORD is God; there is no other besides him.

[39] Know therefore this day, and lay it to your heart, that the LORD is God in heaven above and on the earth beneath; there is no other.

Deuteronomy 32
[39] “`See now that I, even I, am he, and there is no god beside me.

2 Samuel 7
[22] Therefore thou art great, O LORD God; for there is none like thee, and there is no God besides thee.

2 Samuel 22
[32] “For who is God, but the LORD? And who is a rock, except our God?

1 Kings 8
[60] That all the peoples of the earth may know that the LORD is God; there is no other.

2 Kings 19
[15]”O LORD the God of Israel, who art enthroned above the cherubim, thou art the God, thou alone, of all the kingdoms of the earth; thou hast made heaven and earth.

Nehemiah 9
[6] And Ezra said: “Thou art the LORD, thou alone; thou hast made heaven, the heaven of heavens, with all their host, the earth and all that is on it, the seas and all that is in them; and thou preservest all of them; and the host of heaven worships thee.

Psalm 18
[31] For who is God, but the LORD? And who is a rock, except our God?

Isaiah 37
[20] So now, O LORD our God, save us from his hand, that all the kingdoms of the earth may know that thou alone art the LORD.”

Isaiah 43
[10] “You are my witnesses,” says the LORD,
“and my servant whom I have chosen,
that you may know and believe me
and understand that I am He.
Before me no god was formed,
nor shall t
here be any after me.
[11] I, I am the LORD,
and besides me there is no savior.

Isaiah 44
[6] Thus says the LORD, the King of Israel
and his Redeemer, the LORD of hosts:
“I am the first and I am the last;
besides me there is no god.
[7] Who is like me? Let him proclaim it,
let him declare and set it forth before me.
Who has announced from of old the things to come?
Let them tell us what is yet to be.
[8] Fear not, nor be afraid;
have I not told you from of old and declared it?
And you are my witnesses!
Is there a God besides me?
There is no Rock; I know not any.”

Isaiah 45
[5] I am the LORD, and there is no other,
besides me there is no God;
I gird you, though you do not know me,
[6] that men may know, from the rising of the sun
and from the west, that there is none besides me;
I am the LORD, and there is no other.
[7] I form light and create darkness,
I make weal and create woe,
I am the LORD, who do all these things.

[11] Thus says the LORD,
the Holy One of Israel, and his Maker:
“Will you question me about my children,
or command me concerning the work of my hands?
[12] I made the earth,
and created man upon it;
it was my hands that stretched out the heavens,
and I commanded all their host.

[14]`God is with you only, and there is no other,
no god besides him.'”

[18] For thus says the LORD,
who created the heavens
(he is God!),
who formed the earth and made it
(he established it;
he did not create it a chaos,
he formed it to be inhabited!):
“I am the LORD, and there is no other.

[21] Declare and present your case;
let them take counsel together!
Who told this long ago?
Who declared it of old?
Was it not I, the LORD?
And there is no other god besides me,
a righteous God and a Savior;
there is none besides me.
[22] “Turn to me and be saved,
all the ends of the earth!
For I am God, and there is no other.

Genesis 1
[1] In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.
[2] The earth was without form and void, and darkness was upon the face of the deep; and the Spirit of God was moving over the face of the waters.
[3] And God said, “Let there be light”; and there was light.

[1] In the beginning was the word, and the word was with God, and the word was God.

Nobody knows the mind of God except the Spirit of God.
Nobody knows the Father except the Son.
(and anyone to whom the Son chooses to reveal him).

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Scripture says that God ALONE made the heavens and the earth through His own word and His own Spirit.

You call the pre-existant Jesus “a god” whom God created the world through
And you call the pre-existant god a sepertae being from God.

'Thus shall you say to them:
“The gods who did not make the heavens and the earth shall perish from the earth and from under the heavens.
It is he who made the earth by his power,
who established the world by his wisdom,
and by his understanding stretched out the heavens.' Jeremiah 10:11-12

God made the earth and the heavens it says by his power, his wisdom, and his understanding.

Yet, you say that 'God's word' which it says in the OT is spoken through 'God's own mouth', is another god.

So according to Jeremiah, this other god will be destroyed.

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through

All things came through the power of God, and through the word of God and through the spirit of God. God simply said “Be” and it was so — and his spirit moved across the waters (Genesis 1:1).
So while people can let their imaginations run wild as to how God must have created the world (as if God is a man), according to scriptures and according to our knowledge of God — God is so powerful that it 'just can be', according to His will and His power.

What of Paul's words?
I showed you this… In brief:

“To us there is one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we for Him; and one Lord, Jesus Christ, on account of whom are all things, and we by Him.

Paul used two completely different words (ex-ἐξ and di'-δι') which most versions translate as 'through' in both instances, however, if both meant the same thing then why did Paul chose to use two different Greek words. So the above translation or meaning could possibly be true.

http://biblos.com/1_corinthians/8-6.htm

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I showed you about the word “Only Son” or “Only Begotten Son” found only in the Book of John as possibly being “Unique” which is what some translations have chosen to translate it as….

Begotten can be translated from the Greek into either “Only” or “Only Begotten” or “Unique”
The Words used are Strongs #3438 and #3439
Both have the same meaning
Short Definition: only, only-begotten, or unique

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So was the Holy Spirit the one speaking the Logos (Words)?

Jesus went to heaven, correct.
Jesus also said that he would ask the Father and that the Father would send the Holy Spirit.
Soon after that Jesus said that HE would come .
But who was speaking. Was it Jesus?
Well Jesus said that he was going to heaven, to the Father.
But He said that he would ask the Father and that the Holy Spirit would be sent.
And it was the Holy Spirit which come.
Therefore, it was the Holy Spirit in him that was speaking when he said that HE would come to them.

All through eternity and all through the world from the beginning has been this eternal Spirit.
This eternal Spirit is here now and will be until it all comes to an end.
Jesus said that he would not leave them nor forsake them but that he would be with them until the end.
And that includes us because the end has not come yet.
So this was the eternal spirit speaking through Jesus, the Holy Spirit.

The Holy Spirit is a part of God, just as our Spirit is a part of us.

Jesus was a man though he was different than us because he was conceived through the power of above through the Holy Spirit.
He walked in obedience to God and sinned not, even though tempted.
The Holy Spirit descended onto him like a dove and then the Holy Spirit which was in Jesus the man worked together with him; which is why Jesus said to them 'Whosoever speaks a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaks against the Holy Spirit, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, nor in the world to come.'
See there was the 'son of man' and then there was the 'son of God', though Jesus was also a son of God – the firstborn son of God (The Holy Spirit “son of God” is eternal).

The eternal spirit is what you need to concentrate on. And remember:
'In the beginning was the Word, the word was with God and the Word WAS God' (not a god) for he is more than that; he is the 'eternal spirit'.

Amen.

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Another verse:

'Seeing you have purified your souls in your obedience to the truth through the Spirit in sincere brotherly affection, love one another from the heart fervently: having been born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, through the word of God, which lives and remains forever. For, “All flesh is like grass, and all of man's glory like the flower in the grass. The grass withers, and its flower falls; but the Lord's word endures forever.” This is the word of Good News which was preached to you.' 1Peter 1:22-25.

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The Word of God is GOD, the Holy Spirit is G
od. God came into the World through his Holy Spirit.

Who knows the mind of man but the Spirit that is in him? Who also knows the mind of GOD but the Spirit?

The Spirit was Spirit . The spirit was the eternal Spirit. Jesus was perfection he was the only perfect flesh alive. he was the SECOND ADAM PRAISE GOD THAT SUCH A ONE EXISTED.

He was in the World and the Holy Spirit descended on him like a Dove and the Father dwelt in Him. The Father spoke through Him. The Father worked in Him. The Fathers words were what He spoke and through Him all of the World can be saved.

When He died, God raised Him up from the dead, therefore he was the firstborn over all of creation.

And through him we are all saved.

We have the words of God. We have the truth of God and we have the light if we walk in the light. We are saved for our sins and we are saved form our darkness thanks be to God…

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We each have our own spirit and our spirit is IN us….correct?
So, Jesus as a man also had His own spirit in him.
Due to his obedience and perfection, then the spirit of God – the eternal spirit – went into Him. And then, thereafter, when He spoke, He spoke from God.

'The words I speak are not my own, but my Father who lives in me'.

Do you understand that?

God is spirit….true?

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'Then he showed me the river of the water of life, bright as crystal, flowing from the throne of God and of the Lamb'

I see the River that flows from the throne of God and the Lamb (Rev 22:1) as the Holy Spirit which is poured out and is life giving water to all of those who receive it. What did Jesus say about the living water?

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I showed you the connection between Jesus and the Holy Spirit…

Jesus promised to 'send another Comforter', the Holy Spirit. Then He said, 'I will come to you'………….God was Thought, Word, Breath, Spirit. Jesus of Nazareth was a human 'body prepared' Hebrews 10:5.

John 14:15-23.

“If you love me, you will keep my commandments.

And I will pray the Father, and he will give you another Counselor, to be with you for ever,
even the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees him nor knows him; YOU KNOW HIM, FOR HE DWELLS WITH YOU, and will be in you.

“I — will not leave you desolate; I will come to you.”

Jesus just said that he would send the Comforter (Holy Spirit) to be with them forever, then He said that HE would come to them….

“Yet a little while, and the world will see me no more, but you will see me; because I live, you will live also.
In that day you will know that I am in my Father, and you in me, and I in you.
He who has my commandments and keeps them, he it is who loves me; and he who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I will love him and manifest myself to him.
Judas (not Iscariot) said to him, “Lord, how is it that you will manifest yourself to us, and not to the world?”
Jesus answered him, “If a man loves me, he will keep my word, and my Father will love him, and WE WILL COME TO HIM AND MAKE OUR HOME WITH HIM”.

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My spirit is only my spirit, it is nobody else's. You have your own spirit and I have mine and everyone else has has their own spirit. So our spirits have a name. It is our own name. Not only OUR NAME but also US.

Same with our word. Our spirit and our word go together, of course a word can be shared, so can a spirit. But it comes from the original source.

Holy Spirit is Spirit, just as God is also Spirit. Spirit gives birth to Spirit.

The 'eternal Son of God' is not Jesus – Jesus is a man – the anointed one – the Christos – and the first begotten from the dead.
God saved the World through Him due to His perfection (sinlessness).

The Holy Spirit is the eternal “Son of God” who was in Jesus. the eternal “Son of God” came down from Heaven.

you rightly say that there is only one God and that the Spirit is from from that one God, correct.

You say that the Father and the Son are two different beings – each with their own soul; mind; and will.
The begotten Son of God (Jesus) — Yes — Is different.
But the eternal Son of God (The Spirit) — No. God and the Spirit are one and the same God.

John 10:30 'I and my Father are one'.
John 10:38 'Understand that the Father is in me, and I am in the Father.”

Man was made in God's image and then Man “gave birth” to flesh.
God cannot “give birth” as we do as God is Spirit…………….. (What IS Spirit, T)
Spirit does not have a body at all – nothing – nil – it is POWERS.

God is the Holy Spirit. God is also His Word. There is only one God, made up of mind; power; spirit; word; and many other things (love, light, etc) – and one Man, Jesus Christ.

Listen:
1Tim 3:5: 'For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus'.
That is exactly what I am saying.

Why no mention of the Holy Spirit in that?
Ahhh…. Because God IS the Holy Spirit (Just as God is His own word – both are parts of the one God)…
The Holy Spirit is important,
see here:
Mat12:32 'Whoever speaks a word against the Son of Man, it will be forgiven him; but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit, it will not be forgiven him, neither in this age, nor in that which is to come.

See that?

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'The Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom. And we all, with unveiled face, beholding the glory of the Lord, are being changed into his likeness from one degree of glory to another; for this comes from the Lord who is the Spirit.'

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I am a seeker and a learner and I seek truth.
And I know that i will have errors in what I posted, but I know the main points.

I have finished my summary as best that I can in response to your post Mike that showed your scriptural proofs.

And now I am done.

February 1, 2013 at 10:31 am#330810