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Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 14 2013,11:57) Quote (2besee @ Jan. 14 2013,09:53) Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 14 2013,11:49) Hi Kerwin and 2besee, Do either of you believe that you take away from God? (please both do answer)
God bless
Ed J
Ed,The man of sin puts himself in the temple of God (our body is the temple of God) making himself out to be God.
Perhaps there is a link to that somewhere?
Just saying. (thinking).
Hi 2Besee,Why are you changing the meaning of Philip.2:6?
That's not what it says, AND YOU KNOW IT.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Insight, Ed.Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 14 2013,04:49) Hi Kerwin and 2besee, Do either of you believe that you take away from God? (please both do answer)
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Ed J.I believe that Satan hoped to steal God's position.
Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 14 2013,12:01) Quote (2besee @ Jan. 14 2013,04:44) All,
how do we be humble WHEN we Believe that we are equal to GOD!? I see now where the problem is.
2beesee,I forgot about the NLT which is a thought for thought translation by those who are not carried along by the Spirit. I find the word for word translations better but even they are subject to translation bias.
Hi Kerwin, what Bible do you use?Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 14 2013,10:04) Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 14 2013,04:49) Hi Kerwin and 2besee, Do either of you believe that you take away from God? (please both do answer)
God bless
Ed J
Ed J.I believe that Satan hoped to steal God's position.
Hi Kerwin,Yes, that is what 2Thess.2:3-4 is referring to, but Philip.2:6 is not referring to that.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (2besee @ Jan. 14 2013,05:47) Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 14 2013,12:01) Quote (2besee @ Jan. 14 2013,04:44) All,
how do we be humble WHEN we Believe that we are equal to GOD!? I see now where the problem is.
2beesee,I forgot about the NLT which is a thought for thought translation by those who are not carried along by the Spirit. I find the word for word translations better but even they are subject to translation bias.
Hi Kerwin, what Bible do you use?
2beesee,I prefer the ancient Greek and Hebrew as they are closer to the source. I don't understand those languages and so I use a variety of word for word translations in order to learn different outlooks. I am currently using a KJV as my personal bible, but have used an NIV in the past.
Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 14 2013,05:52) Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 14 2013,10:04) Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 14 2013,04:49) Hi Kerwin and 2besee, Do either of you believe that you take away from God? (please both do answer)
God bless
Ed J
Ed J.I believe that Satan hoped to steal God's position.
Hi Kerwin,Yes, that is what 2Thess.2:3-4 is referring to, but Philip.2:6 is not referring to that.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Ed J,Satan revealed by his actions that he was not in the form of God. Jesus on the other hand revealed he was in the form of God by rejecting the desire to rob God's position.
Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 14 2013,11:07) Quote (2besee @ Jan. 14 2013,05:47) Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 14 2013,12:01) Quote (2besee @ Jan. 14 2013,04:44) All,
how do we be humble WHEN we Believe that we are equal to GOD!? I see now where the problem is.
2beesee,I forgot about the NLT which is a thought for thought translation by those who are not carried along by the Spirit. I find the word for word translations better but even they are subject to translation bias.
Hi Kerwin, what Bible do you use?
2beesee,I prefer the ancient Greek and Hebrew as they are closer to the source. I don't understand those languages and so I use a variety of word for word translations in order to learn different outlooks. I am currently using a KJV as my personal bible, but have used an NIV in the past.
Hi Kerwin,Most English-Speaking bible scholars all use the “AKJV Bible”;
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To the English-speaking world, the AKJV Bible has become the standard because of the strict parameters that were put in place requiring a “word for word” translation; avoiding perceptual interpretations that may alter what the manuscript actually meant. They also had to agree upon each and every word of the translation. Whenever a word had two or more possible meanings the most popular meaning was inscribed into the text; with the second choice italicized and also listed at the end of the verse. One such example is in 1Thess. 4:15 where the word prevent is inserted into the text while precede is listed as an alternative word at the end of the verse.
Because of the concise and sound translation into English which is found in the AKJV, resource material such as the Strong’s Concordance complements the AKJV Bible by defining each word in its original language; helping to present a more comprehensive look into God’s word making it the study standard of choice for the more serious student of Scripture. The Young’s Concordance defines each word based only upon its usage in the texts (according to Mr.Young); because of this it is used less. It is therefore rare to find scholarly theologians, modern and ancient and alike, not using the AKJV Bible for in depth study based upon these reasons. The AKJV is, by default, the standard by which all other English versions (translations) of the Bible are compared.
English as we speak today, uses PAST, PRESENT, and FUTURE tenses expressed separately; this is not so with the 1611 King’s English. It seemed, therefore that since GOD isn’t limited by time or space, the old English from the King James era was perfect for translating “word for word”. Just as the arts embrace Shakespearian writings for their intrinsic value and superior prose, the King James translation has some of these qualities, being romantic and poetic as well. Words from the King James era also have multiple tenses built right into them for a more exact “word for word” translation.
Let’s take a look at a few examples of multiple tense words: holpen, meetest and saith. Saith means: “is said and says”, meetest means: “is met, meets, and will meet”, and holpen means: “is helped and will help”. The original texts have many instances where modern vernacular lacks the clarity of single words containing past, present, or future tenses combined.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (kerwin @ Jan. 14 2013,11:12) Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 14 2013,05:52) Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 14 2013,10:04) Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 14 2013,04:49) Hi Kerwin and 2besee, Do either of you believe that you take away from God? (please both do answer)
God bless
Ed J
Ed J.I believe that Satan hoped to steal God's position.
Hi Kerwin,Yes, that is what 2Thess.2:3-4 is referring to, but Philip.2:6 is not referring to that.
God bless
Ed J
Ed J,Satan revealed by his actions that he was not in the form of God. Jesus on the other hand revealed he was in the form of God by rejecting the desire to rob God's position.
Hi Kerwin,Jesus certainly believed that he took nothing away from God
as stated in Philip.2:6; do you have the same mind in you? (<– please answer)God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (kerwin @ Jan. 14 2013,13:12) Ed J, Satan revealed by his actions that he was not in the form of God. Jesus on the other hand revealed he was in the form of God by rejecting the desire to rob God's position.
Good answer Kerwin.Ed, God is always the Father and we are always the children. We are not and never will be God. By accepting these mistranslations as saying that we should have the mind of Christ and that we should NOT consider equality with God robbery is to me a hideous thing to imagine.
The correct translation is obviously 'Jesus, being in the form of God, thought equality with God NOT something to be grasped (considered) as we should also think.
Do you think that you can be God? Surely not.
Then why accept these translations?Ed, do you think that you can be equal to God? (<– please answer)
—————–
Isaiah 14:14
I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will make myself like the Most High.Quote (2besee @ Jan. 14 2013,11:42) Ed, do you think that you can be equal to God? (<– please answer)
Hi 2Besee,(Phil 2:5-6) 2:5 This understanding is in you in Christ Jesus:
2:6 In the form that God exists (Spirit), think it not robbery to be considered equal.
Here is your answer: As Christ, my spirit is equally “one” with God; taking nothing away from God. (<– this is the meaning of Philip.2:5-6)the glory as of the only begotten of the Father (John 1:14) com-
pared with the glory which shall be revealed in us. (Romans 8:18)“And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them;
that they may be one, even as we are one” (John 17:22)God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (2besee @ Jan. 14 2013,10:00) Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 14 2013,11:55) Do you both NOW understand, why
the “AKJV Bible” is correct and
the others are wrong, now?
Definitely not.
I will stick to my RSV which God gave me kindly through a nice old man and has inscribed in pen on the inside 'Open thou mine eyes, that I may behold wondrous things out of thy law. Amen'.I can't believe Ed that you cannot see the difference in the meaning behind the different translations and the HUGE difference that makes to the understander?
Never mind.
Hi 2Besee,Is that NOT IN FACT what I have pointed out to you?
I can't believe you cannot grasp the meaning of Philip.2:6,
even after I have thoroughly explained it's meaning to you.Your brother
in Christ, Jesus.
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ Jan. 14 2013,11:28) Hi Kerwin, Jesus certainly believed that he took nothing away from God
as stated in Philip.2:6; do you have the same mind in you? (<– please answer)God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Kerwin?
2Besee?To be one with God takes nothing away from God because the 'oneness' is love, etc. (I hope I explained that correctly).
Quote (2besee @ Jan. 14 2013,15:30) To be one with God takes nothing away from God because the 'oneness' is love, etc. (I hope I explained that correctly).
Yes 2Besee,Yes, that's the meaning of Philip.2:6! Good Job!
That is why the “AKJV Bible” got it right,
while the others got it wrong!Your brother
in Christ, Jesus.
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ Jan. 14 2013,11:09) Quote (2besee @ Jan. 14 2013,15:30) To be one with God takes nothing away from God because the 'oneness' is love, etc. (I hope I explained that correctly).
Yes 2Besee,Yes, that's the meaning of Philip.2:6! Good Job!
That is why the “AKJV Bible” got it right,
while the others got it wrong!Your brother
in Christ, Jesus.
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
being oneness with God just means to do all thing like God want us to do them and the rule of godly love is LIVING FOR OTHERS RATER THAN FOR YOURSELFQuote (Ed J @ Jan. 14 2013,07:06) Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 14 2013,11:28) Hi Kerwin, Jesus certainly believed that he took nothing away from God
as stated in Philip.2:6; do you have the same mind in you? (<– please answer)God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Kerwin?
2Besee?
Ed. J.,I already answered this.
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