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Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 06 2013,04:04) Quote (2besee @ Jan. 03 2013,19:28) Mike, no, now it is talking about JESUS.
Okay 2B,I can now see where you and I go off track from each other, and I will address this concern in a later post, for I have something to do right now.
Final verse:
John 1:18
No one has ever seen God, but the only begotten god (or son – depending on which Greek ms you use), who is at the Father’s side, has made him known.In verse 18, is John still talking about the Word from verse one? YES or NO?
Mike this is ridiculous, it is like a slow train never arriving at it's destination.In the beginning was the Word, the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The Word was in the beginning with God, all things were made through the Word, and without the Word was not anything made that was made. In the Word was life, and the life was the light of men. The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome it.
There was a man sent from God, whose name was John. He came for testimony, to bear witness to the light, that all might believe through him. He was not the light, but came to bear witness to the light.
The true light that enlightens every man was coming into the world.
The Word was in the world, and the world was made through him, yet the world knew him not. He came to his own home, and his own people received him not. But to all who received him, who believed in his name, he gave power to become children of God; who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God.
And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, full of grace and truth; we have beheld his glory, glory as of an only Son from the Father.
Not a little god, not a second God, not a third God, but the One God and the One Man Jesus Christ.
The Word was in Him – God was in Him…. God's Word and Spirit was in Him, whilst God was in Heaven. Still the one God.Then I saw heaven opened, and behold, a white horse. He who sat upon it is called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he judges and makes war. His eyes are like a flame of fire, and on his head are many diadems; and he has a name inscribed which no one knows but himself. He is clad in a robe dipped in blood, and the name by which he is called is The Word of God. And the armies of heaven, arrayed in fine linen, white and pure, followed him on white horses. From his mouth issues a sharp sword with which to smite the nations, and he will rule them with a rod of iron; he will tread the wine press of the fury of the wrath of God the Almighty. On his robe and on his thigh he has a name inscribed, King of kings and Lord of lords.
Mike, how are we connected to Heaven? Through the Holy Spirit, yes? Is God in Heaven? Is Jesus in Heaven? yes? Then how is God here, How is God in you, Mike?
How did Jesus say that the Father was in Him, and the Father was also in Heaven?
Through the Holy Spirit!
Not another little created god – or another big created God – but God Himself! The one God.
(Sorry about all of the posts)
Quote (2besee @ Jan. 06 2013,04:20) THE WORD WAS GOD
2bbeQuote THE WORD WAS GOD give me the total understanding of who his God almighty in the entire bible ,
and show me IF THIS IS WHAT IT TEACHES ,IF NOT YOU MAY CHANGE YOUR GUN FROM YOUR LEFT SHOULDER AND PLACE IT ON THE RIGHT ONE
IT IS NOT WHAT WE BELIEVE THAT COUNTS IT IS WHAT GOD AS THOUGHT US through his word either written or verbal,
Quote (2besee @ Jan. 06 2013,04:31) Mike, how are we connected to Heaven? Through the Holy Spirit, yes? Is God in Heaven? Is Jesus in Heaven? yes? Then how is God here, How is God in you, Mike?
2beeQuote how are we connected to Heaven? Through the Holy Spirit, yes? Is God in Heaven? Is Jesus in Heaven? yes? Then how is God here, How is God in you, you may believe that it is the holy spirit but it is not ,what we do is to follow what God want all human s to do and this behavior is described by God's prophets and his apostles, and by doing so ,we are pleasing him ,but to say that we have received his holy spirit ,???this is a little strong ,but if you insist to that claim ,I can hold you to it and show me that you possess such a spirit
Quote (2besee @ Jan. 06 2013,04:37) Not another little created god – or another big created God – but God Himself! The one God. (Sorry about all of the posts)
2beeno, not a little one but the second to his father God almighty, do you find this UNSCRIPTURAL
please show me heaven his the kingdom of God and he says that he share it with his only son ,do you have a problem with this
or are you in a position to offer some thing better to the son of God
Quote (2besee @ Jan. 06 2013,04:34) How did Jesus say that the Father was in Him, and the Father was also in Heaven? Through the Holy Spirit!
2beeQuote How did Jesus say that the Father was in Him, and the Father was also in Heaven? If as you try to make as believe that God can enter another person soul with his own soul and that that person (human )can survive that coagulated mix ,
you do not make sense the soul all of them remain as they are and the HOLY SPIRIT “his first a TOOL that God uses for many thing but always for HIS OWN PURPOSE ,even with Christ ,read your scriptures slowly you will see,
SO THE ONLY POSSIBLE EXPLANATION IS BY DOING ,AND FULLFILLING THE WILL OF GOD HIS FATHER JESUS COULD TRUTHFULLY SAY THAT HE WAS IN HIS FATHER AND HIS FATHER WAS IN HIM ,but they were not mixed souls ;AND ONLY THOSE MEN THAT DO THE SAME THING AS JESUS DID CAN CLAIM IT AS WELL ,SO TEST YOUR SELVES VERY DEEPLY.
Quote (2besee @ Jan. 06 2013,04:29) Not a little god, not a second God, not a third God, but the One God and the One Man Jesus Christ.
The Word was in Him – God was in Him…. God's Word and Spirit was in Him, whilst God was in Heaven. Still the one God.Then I saw heaven opened, and behold, a white horse. He who sat upon it is called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he judges and makes war. His eyes are like a flame of fire, and on his head are many diadems; and he has a name inscribed which no one knows but himself. He is clad in a robe dipped in blood, and the name by which he is called is The Word of God. And the armies of heaven, arrayed in fine linen, white and pure, followed him on white horses. From his mouth issues a sharp sword with which to smite the nations, and he will rule them with a rod of iron; he will tread the wine press of the fury of the wrath of God the Almighty. On his robe and on his thigh he has a name inscribed, King of kings and Lord of lords.
2BBEQuote Not a little god, not a second God, not a third God, but the One God and the One Man Jesus Christ WEN Jesus Christ ascend to his father HE WAS NO LONGER A MAN he became the second to God because he was the son of God even before he descended ,
do you have a problem with this why
his Christ not the Son of an God ,an king,a LORD,???
Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 06 2013,12:39) WEN Jesus Christ ascend to his father HE WAS NO LONGER A MAN he became the second to God because he was the son of God even before he descended , do you have a problem with this why
his Christ not the Son of an God ,an king,a LORD,???
Hi T, I will address your points when I get back but just on this one point, No, I believe that Jesus is NOW the King of kings and the Lord of lords. He is no longer a man….Jesus was the only begotten son of God, the first begotten in his way, so he was unique in many ways, more so than any man who ever existed, and he now is much much more.
I have to look at this more because it has been on my mind, and I will.
I believe that Jesus became the (begotten) Son of God at conception, and again at baptism, and when he was raised from the dead. Therefore he is first in all things. But i do not believe that he existed before then. What existed was eternal and that was the Word or the Holy Spirit and the Word and the Holy Spirit was God.
I hope that explains my view a bit more.
I have a lot to learn though. To me, this is only the beginning.
Quote (2besee @ Jan. 06 2013,05:51) I believe that Jesus became the (begotten) Son of God at conception, and again at baptism, and when he was raised from the dead. Therefore he is first in all things. But i do not believe that he existed before then. What existed was eternal and that was the Word or the Holy Spirit and the Word and the Holy Spirit was God. I hope that explains my view a bit more.
I have a lot to learn though. To me, this is only the beginning.
2be
this is a few scriptures that shows why Christ could not be an man (of human descend )1KI 8:46 “When they sin against You (for there is no man who does not sin)
MT 27:42 “ He saved others; He cannot save Himself.
Eze 18:4 For every living soul belongs to me, the father as well as the son—both alike belong to me. The soul who sins is the one who will die.
JN 15:13 “ Greater love has no one than this, that one lay down his life for his friends
PS 49:7 No man can by any means redeem his brother
Or give to God a ransom for him—Quote (2besee @ Jan. 06 2013,05:51) I believe that Jesus became the (begotten) Son of God at conception, and again at baptism, and when he was raised from the dead. Therefore he is first in all things. But i do not believe that he existed before then. What existed was eternal and that was the Word or the Holy Spirit and the Word and the Holy Spirit was God. I hope that explains my view a bit more.
I have a lot to learn though. To me, this is only the beginning.
2beeQuote What existed was eternal and that was the Word or the Holy Spirit and the Word and the Holy Spirit was God. only God his and was and will be forever ;all others are created some were in time or before time existed,no matter
God his one Soul and so a being by nature a spirit ,then the first of his creation was Christ his only begotten son ,through whom he created all other things ,NOW THE HOLY SPIRIT HIS GODS TOOL ,DOES MANY THINGS AND HIS NOT GOD ALMIGHTY BUT FROM HIM1)Ps 51:11 Do not cast me from your presence
or take your Holy Spirit from me(can be given and taken away)2)Isa 63:11 Then his people recalled the days of old,
the days of Moses and his people—
where is he who brought them through the sea,
with the shepherd of his flock?
Where is he who set
his Holy Spirit among them,(can be set among people )3)Mt 1:18 This is how the birth of Jesus Christ came about: His mother Mary was pledged to be married to Joseph, but before they came together, she was found to be with child through the Holy Spirit.(make operation to give children)
4)Mt 3:11 “I baptize you with water for repentance. But after me will come one who is more powerful than I, whose sandals I am not fit to carry. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and with fire.(can be used to baptized with )
5)Mk 12:36 David himself, speaking by the Holy Spirit, declared:
“ ‘The Lord said to my Lord:(can speak through it )6)Mk 13:11 Whenever you are arrested and brought to trial, do not worry beforehand about what to say. Just say whatever is given you at the time, for it is not you speaking, but the Holy Spirit.(it can speak for you )
7)Lk 1:41 When Elizabeth heard Mary’s greeting, the baby leaped in her womb, and Elizabeth was filled with the Holy Spirit.(you can received it and be filled with it )
8)Lk 2:26 It had been revealed to him by the Holy Spirit that he would not die before he had seen the Lord’s Christ.(it give revelations )
9)Jn 14:26 But the Counselor, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you.(it is a counselor as well)
10)Ac 1:8 But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit comes on you;(it supply's power )
11)Ac 7:51 “You stiff-necked people, with uncircumcised hearts and ears! You are just like your fathers: You always resist the Holy Spirit!( we can resist him )
12)Ac 13:2 While they were worshiping the Lord and fasting, the Holy Spirit said( it can speak )
13)Ac 15:8 God, who knows the heart, showed that he accepted them by giving the Holy Spirit to them, just as he did to us ( it is a gift of God)
14)Ac 16:6 Paul and his companions traveled throughout the region of Phrygia and Galatia, having been kept by the Holy Spirit from preaching the word in the province of Asia.
(can intervene to prevent )15)Ro 14:17 For the kingdom of God is not a matter of eating and drinking, but of righteousness, peace and joy in the Holy Spirit,(it can bring joy )
16)Ro 15:16 to be a minister of Christ Jesus to the Gentiles with the priestly duty of proclaiming the gospel of God, so that the Gentiles might become an offering acceptable to God, sanctified by the Holy Spirit.(it can be used to sanctify )
17)Eph 4:30 And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, with whom you were sealed(it can be grieved )
18)Tit 3:5 he saved us, not because of righteous things we had done, but because of his mercy. He saved us through the washing of rebirth and renewal by the Holy Spirit (it can wash and renew us )
19)Heb 10:15 The Holy Spirit also testifies to us about this(it can testify )
20)Jude 1:20 But you, dear friends, build yourselves up in your most holy faith and pray in the Holy Spirit.(we can pray in it )
21)2Pe 1:21 For prophecy never had its origin in the will of man, but men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit.(we can be carried by it )
just some examples
Quote (2besee @ Jan. 06 2013,09:19) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 06 2013,04:04) Quote (2besee @ Jan. 03 2013,19:28) Mike, no, now it is talking about JESUS.
Okay 2B,I can now see where you and I go off track from each other, and I will address this concern in a later post, for I have something to do right now.
Final verse:
John 1:18
No one has ever seen God, but the only begotten god (or son – depending on which Greek ms you use), who is at the Father’s side, has made him known.In verse 18, is John still talking about the Word from verse one? YES or NO?
Mike this is ridiculous, it is like a slow train never arriving at it's destination.In the beginning was the Word, the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The Word was in the beginning with God, all things were made through the Word, and without the Word was not anything made that was made. In the Word was life, and the life was the light of men. The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome it.
There was a man sent from God, whose name was John. He came for testimony, to bear witness to the light, that all might believe through him. He was not the light, but came to bear witness to the light.
The true light that enlightens every man was coming into the world.
The Word was in the world, and the world was made through him, yet the world knew him not. He came to his own home, and his own people received him not. But to all who received him, who believed in his name, he gave power to become children of God; who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God.
And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, full of grace and truth; we have beheld his glory, glory as of an only Son from the Father.
2besee……….You have it Right brother. There is only One true God and He is spirit and can Indwell us All by his spirit. Jesus is a Son of Man , as he said he was many , many , many, time , He came into existence by his Berth on this earth and he is the son of God in the same sense Adam is said to be a Son of God also. When we receive the Holy Spirit we are also Son of God, Just a s the apostle John said we are. brethren “NOW” we are the son of GodThese Trinitarians and Preexistences do all they can to preach a Doctrine of “SEPARATION” trying desperately to make Jesus “DIFFERENT then we are different then his brothers and sisters turning him into something different then a human being.
They can not see God Presentence in Jesus no matter how many time Jesus said God the Father was truly “IN” him . We are considered as heirs and Joint “Heirs” with Jesus because we are “exactly like Him in every way Jesus is the First of many brother and sisters to be born into the Kingdom of God the First not the only one.
They destroy the Work of God in mankind and don't even realize how they are doing it. They are blind guides of the blind constantly twisting scriptures to make Jesus a God or demigod or Angel with a past existences, not realizing God is concerned about Perfecting mankind and he did it through a man Jesus by his Anointing Spirit. Jesus is called a second Adam and nothing more , what Adam failed to do God accomplished through the Man Jesus.
Jesus is still a son of Man as well as a son of God too, for when the Son of Man comes will he find Faith on the earth? So he will return as a son of man, and again when the Son of man comes he will separate the nations …. and again I am the root and offspring of King David And Moses say the Lord will raise up from your brethren a prophet like unto Me unto him shall you heed .
Jesus is a Son of Man and will return as a Man who also is a Son of God Just as we can also be, right now, Not one ounce of difference Between Jesus and His brothers and sisters. He is a human lord and king Just as his ancestor king David was, he is the Messiah that was prophesied to come. IMO
peace and love to you and yours………………………..gene
T,
Quote WEN Jesus Christ ascend to his father HE WAS NO LONGER A MAN he became the second to God because he was the son of God even before he descended Where is that written?
This is what is written:
1 Timothy 2:5
King James Version (KJV)5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 07 2013,02:14) T, Quote WEN Jesus Christ ascend to his father HE WAS NO LONGER A MAN he became the second to God because he was the son of God even before he descended Where is that written?
This is what is written:
1 Timothy 2:5
King James Version (KJV)5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
Kyou are slow to understand ;that scriptures for us men will be valid until all what Christ sacrifice stand for as been done ,just as he will remain THE LAMB OF GOD ,but that does not mean that his life in heaven is pursuit in the flesh ,we all know that flesh can not live in heaven right
do you see any astronaut going in space in his shirt, running shoes and a pair of sun glasses
wen Christ ascend he still was clothed with a tunic ,this is not what is needed in space traveling ,so it is understand that from the moment he disappeared from view he also changed physically into his spirit body,do you have a problem with this
2bee
Quote I believe that Jesus became the (begotten) Son of God at conception, I believe that Mary was a surrogate mother ,to Gods son ,who was the WORD and the first of all creation Col;1-15-21
in this way God provided an cover in flesh for his son purpose ;
Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 07 2013,14:46) Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 07 2013,02:14) T, Quote WEN Jesus Christ ascend to his father HE WAS NO LONGER A MAN he became the second to God because he was the son of God even before he descended Where is that written?
This is what is written:
1 Timothy 2:5
King James Version (KJV)5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
Kyou are slow to understand ;that scriptures for us men will be valid until all what Christ sacrifice stand for as been done ,just as he will remain THE LAMB OF GOD ,but that does not mean that his life in heaven is pursuit in the flesh ,we all know that flesh can not live in heaven right
do you see any astronaut going in space in his shirt, running shoes and a pair of sun glasses
wen Christ ascend he still was clothed with a tunic ,this is not what is needed in space traveling ,so it is understand that from the moment he disappeared from view he also changed physically into his spirit body,do you have a problem with this
T,I know some speculate that Jesus transformed into a spirit after entering the clouds. Scripture does not teach us that.
I know that the flesh and blood, which is the mortal tent, will not inherit either the new earth or the new heaven; 1 Corinthians 15:50, but I also know that time will be cut short so that flesh, which is the soul's tent, will be saved; Matthew 24:22 and Mark 13:20.
Claiming that no flesh will be saved because flesh and blood cannot enter the Reign of God breaks Scripture, Matthew 24:22 and Mark 13:20.
Claiming there are two different types of flesh does not as it is written “All flesh is not the same flesh”, 1 Corinthians 15:39.
We are taught these things and that the human Jesus Christ, who shares in our humanity, mediates between us and Jehovah.
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