In the Beginning

[kerwin]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 18 2013,06:14)

No.  I do NOT believe that – or else it would mean that EVERY SINGLE MAN who had lived up until that point had received the very exclusive gift of the Holy Spirit. You do realize that SEVEN spirits of God are mentioned in Revelation, don't you?

Mike,

I realize there are seven spirits that go to and fro throughout the world like the sons of God. I also know the seven eyes that go to and fro are said to be the seven archangels. The breath does not go to and fro but exists in each living soul fo a time before returning to God.

Lets assume the breath is a spirit of God but not the Spirit of God. At this moment I can think of nothing that either proves or disproves that hypothesis.

[mikeboll64]

Does scripture say these seven spirits are like “sons of God”? Does it say the seven eyes are “archangels”?

I don't remember these parts of scripture, Kerwin.

[terraricca]

Quote (kerwin @ June 17 2013,10:05)

Quote (terraricca @ June 17 2013,00:23) Quote (kerwin @ June 17 2013,00:14) Quote (terraricca @ June 16 2013,11:00) Quote (kerwin @ June 16 2013,04:31) Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 16 2013,02:38) kerwin,June wrote: Mike, Quote Every human being since Adam has lived by God's spirit.  When humans die, that spirit goes back to Him who gave it, right? Are you saying THAT is the Holy Spirit?  The one all men live by?  The one that goes back to God when we die? Are you sure? You wrote these words to Ed but they seemed a way to continue the conversation on what you do not yet understand. Life span is determined by the striving of God's spirit against the flesh.   The breath of life gives the flesh life. From this the Spirit is either the breath or the Spirit is like a doctor keeping the breath in a terminal patient. The Spirit is present to perform that one job. It can perform other jobs but does not have permission to do so. The answers to your question can be derived from my words. So then ALL MEN are originally born already HAVING the gift of God's Holy Spirit? That doesn't seem to match scripture, Kerwin.  Only CERTAIN MEN have been given that gift – not ALL OF THEM. Mike, Scripture states God's Spirit strives with men to determine their lifespan. Scripture also says believers receive the Holy Spirit.  In this context they are instructed to live by the Spirit. In both cases the Spirit is present though it accomplishes a different task in each case. In the first case the Spirit is already present and in the second case it is received.  A seeming contradiction. Kerwin Quote 1)Scripture states God's Spirit strives with men to determine their lifespan. 2)Scripture also says believers receive the Holy Spirit.  In this context they are instructed to live by the Spirit. 2)JN 17:20 “I do not ask on behalf of these alone, but for those also who believe in Me through their word; how did those who believed through their word like today or 1000 years ago do they recieved the holy spirit and how did they receive it ?? 1) GE 6:3 Then the LORD said, “ My Spirit shall not strive with man forever, because he also is flesh;so their was no immortality ,and live as a purpose that many do not understand yet ,so is it now (in your understanding)that God is guilty of killing babe ,children ,and women and what not T, God keeps people alive but their mortal flesh is killing them Kirwin Quote God keeps people alive but their mortal flesh is killing them do you understand what you are saying this is a lie . T, For what purpose does God's spirit strive with man in relation to his lifespan?

kerwin

you tell me

[Ed J]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 18 2013,12:49)

Does scripture say these seven spirits are like “sons of God”?  Does it say the seven eyes are “archangels”? I don't remember these parts of scripture, Kerwin.

Hi Mike,

Nor does the bible say there are “Seven Archangels”  –  only *ONE* is mentioned.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Ed J]

Quote (terraricca @ June 18 2013,13:28)

Quote (kerwin @ June 17 2013,10:05) T, For what purpose does God's spirit strive with man in relation to his lifespan? kerwin you tell me

A: Because of sin

[terraricca]

Quote (Ed J @ June 18 2013,08:56)

Quote (terraricca @ June 18 2013,13:28) Quote (kerwin @ June 17 2013,10:05) T, For what purpose does God's spirit strive with man in relation to his lifespan? kerwin you tell me A: Because of sin

edj

is that the purpose why

[Ed J]

Quote (terraricca @ June 18 2013,14:01)

Quote (Ed J @ June 18 2013,08:56) Quote (terraricca @ June 18 2013,13:28) Quote (kerwin @ June 17 2013,10:05) T, For what purpose does God's spirit strive with man in relation to his lifespan? kerwin you tell me A: Because of sin edj is that the purpose why

Without sin, there is no strife.

[terraricca]

Quote (Ed J @ June 18 2013,09:55)

Quote (terraricca @ June 18 2013,14:01) Quote (Ed J @ June 18 2013,08:56) Quote (terraricca @ June 18 2013,13:28) Quote (kerwin @ June 17 2013,10:05) T, For what purpose does God's spirit strive with man in relation to his lifespan? kerwin you tell me A: Because of sin edj is that the purpose why Without sin, there is no strife.

Edj

So for that reason men can only die at all ages From baby to old age ,why is it that some live longtime and some a few months

[Ed J]

Quote (terraricca @ June 18 2013,17:15)

Quote (Ed J @ June 18 2013,09:55) Quote (terraricca @ June 18 2013,14:01) Quote (Ed J @ June 18 2013,08:56) Quote (terraricca @ June 18 2013,13:28) Quote (kerwin @ June 17 2013,10:05) T, For what purpose does God's spirit strive with man in relation to his lifespan? kerwin you tell me A: Because of sin edj is that the purpose why Without sin, there is no strife. Edj So for that reason men can only die at all ages From baby to old age ,why is it that some live longtime and some a few months

Hi Pierre,

I don't know.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[kerwin]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 18 2013,07:49)

Does scripture say these seven spirits are like “sons of God”?  Does it say the seven eyes are “archangels”? I don't remember these parts of scripture, Kerwin.

Mike,

Scripture states that:

That Satan who arrived in a group of the sons of God stated he went to and fro and God asked what he saw.
The seven eyes go to and fro
The seven spirits go to and fro.

It is a teaching that I believe some have derived from hints of Scripture that the seven eyes are seven archangels. It seems reasonable that these watchers are angels.

[kerwin]

Quote (terraricca @ June 18 2013,08:28)

Quote (kerwin @ June 17 2013,10:05) Quote (terraricca @ June 17 2013,00:23) Quote (kerwin @ June 17 2013,00:14) Quote (terraricca @ June 16 2013,11:00) Quote (kerwin @ June 16 2013,04:31) Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 16 2013,02:38) kerwin,June wrote: Mike, Quote Every human being since Adam has lived by God's spirit.  When humans die, that spirit goes back to Him who gave it, right? Are you saying THAT is the Holy Spirit?  The one all men live by?  The one that goes back to God when we die? Are you sure? You wrote these words to Ed but they seemed a way to continue the conversation on what you do not yet understand. Life span is determined by the striving of God's spirit against the flesh.   The breath of life gives the flesh life. From this the Spirit is either the breath or the Spirit is like a doctor keeping the breath in a terminal patient. The Spirit is present to perform that one job. It can perform other jobs but does not have permission to do so. The answers to your question can be derived from my words. So then ALL MEN are originally born already HAVING the gift of God's Holy Spirit? That doesn't seem to match scripture, Kerwin.  Only CERTAIN MEN have been given that gift – not ALL OF THEM. Mike, Scripture states God's Spirit strives with men to determine their lifespan. Scripture also says believers receive the Holy Spirit.  In this context they are instructed to live by the Spirit. In both cases the Spirit is present though it accomplishes a different task in each case. In the first case the Spirit is already present and in the second case it is received.  A seeming contradiction. Kerwin Quote 1)Scripture states God's Spirit strives with men to determine their lifespan. 2)Scripture also says believers receive the Holy Spirit.  In this context they are instructed to live by the Spirit. 2)JN 17:20 “I do not ask on behalf of these alone, but for those also who believe in Me through their word; how did those who believed through their word like today or 1000 years ago do they recieved the holy spirit and how did they receive it ?? 1) GE 6:3 Then the LORD said, “ My Spirit shall not strive with man forever, because he also is flesh;so their was no immortality ,and live as a purpose that many do not understand yet ,so is it now (in your understanding)that God is guilty of killing babe ,children ,and women and what not T, God keeps people alive but their mortal flesh is killing them Kirwin Quote God keeps people alive but their mortal flesh is killing them do you understand what you are saying this is a lie . T, For what purpose does God's spirit strive with man in relation to his lifespan? kerwin you tell me

T,

I already answered and you disagreed but have given no alternative.

So you do not understand?

[kerwin]

Quote (Ed J @ June 18 2013,08:56)

Quote (terraricca @ June 18 2013,13:28) Quote (kerwin @ June 17 2013,10:05) T, For what purpose does God's spirit strive with man in relation to his lifespan? kerwin you tell me A: Because of sin

Ed J,

You are correct though I did not look at my question that way.

I was thinking that the Spirit strove against the death that is in mortal flesh. That death is the wages of sin.

[terraricca]

Quote (Ed J @ June 18 2013,13:50)

Quote (terraricca @ June 18 2013,17:15) Quote (Ed J @ June 18 2013,09:55) Quote (terraricca @ June 18 2013,14:01) Quote (Ed J @ June 18 2013,08:56) Quote (terraricca @ June 18 2013,13:28) Quote (kerwin @ June 17 2013,10:05) T, For what purpose does God's spirit strive with man in relation to his lifespan? kerwin you tell me A: Because of sin edj is that the purpose why Without sin, there is no strife. Edj So for that reason men can only die at all ages From baby to old age ,why is it that some live longtime and some a few months Hi Pierre, I don't know. God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

EDJ

SO THE “STRIVE” IS ONLY BECAUSE ADAM SINNED

[Ed J]

Quote (terraricca @ June 19 2013,07:02)

Quote (Ed J @ June 18 2013,13:50) Quote (terraricca @ June 18 2013,17:15) Quote (Ed J @ June 18 2013,09:55) Quote (terraricca @ June 18 2013,14:01) Quote (Ed J @ June 18 2013,08:56) Quote (terraricca @ June 18 2013,13:28) Quote (kerwin @ June 17 2013,10:05) T, For what purpose does God's spirit strive with man in relation to his lifespan? kerwin you tell me A: Because of sin edj is that the purpose why Without sin, there is no strife. Edj So for that reason men can only die at all ages From baby to old age ,why is it that some live longtime and some a few months Hi Pierre, I don't know. God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org EDJ SO THE “STRIVE” IS ONLY BECAUSE ADAM SINNED

Yep

[kerwin]

Quote (Ed J @ June 18 2013,13:50)

Quote (terraricca @ June 18 2013,17:15) Quote (Ed J @ June 18 2013,09:55) Quote (terraricca @ June 18 2013,14:01) Quote (Ed J @ June 18 2013,08:56) Quote (terraricca @ June 18 2013,13:28) Quote (kerwin @ June 17 2013,10:05) T, For what purpose does God's spirit strive with man in relation to his lifespan? kerwin you tell me A: Because of sin edj is that the purpose why Without sin, there is no strife. Edj So for that reason men can only die at all ages From baby to old age ,why is it that some live longtime and some a few months Hi Pierre, I don't know. God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Ed J,

Man, by his actions, appointed Satan as god; and his rules are not just.

[mikeboll64]

Quote (kerwin @ June 18 2013,06:50)

Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 18 2013,07:49) Does scripture say these seven spirits are like “sons of God”?  Does it say the seven eyes are “archangels”? I don't remember these parts of scripture, Kerwin. Mike, Scripture states that: That Satan who arrived in a group of the sons of God stated he went to and fro and God asked what he saw. The seven eyes go to and fro The seven spirits go to and fro. It is a teaching that I believe some have derived from hints of Scripture that the seven eyes are seven archangels.  It seems reasonable that these watchers are angels.

Okay. Zechariah 1:8-12 also speaks of beings who go to and fro throughout the world, reporting back to God what they find. (Another reason I don't believe God is literally “everywhere all the time”………. but that is a different subject.)

But if your understanding is correct, and these seven spirits of God are really seven archangels, then it shows that the Holy Spirit is NOT God's ONLY spirit. God has many spirits at His disposal. Myriads upon myriads of them – according to scripture. After all, angels are ministering spirits of God, right?

I realize that a “spirit being” is not exactly what we're talking about. But your own understanding of the seven spirits of God should be enough to tell you that Paul wasn't speaking LITERALLY when he said there is “one Lord, one spirit”.

Each man has his own spirit. There is the spirit of the antichrist. There is the spirit of Satan. There is the spirit of Christ. There is the spirit from God by which all men live, which is NOT God's Holy Spirit, because only a chosen few receive that gift.

Anyway, this is enough for you to see how I understand it. You are welcome to your own understanding.

[Ed J]

Quote (kerwin @ June 18 2013,23:57)

Quote (Ed J @ June 18 2013,08:56) Quote (terraricca @ June 18 2013,13:28) Quote (kerwin @ June 17 2013,10:05) T, For what purpose does God's spirit strive with man in relation to his lifespan? kerwin you tell me A: Because of sin Ed J, You are correct though I did not look at my question that way. I was thinking that the Spirit strove against the death that is in mortal flesh.  That death is the wages of sin.

[kerwin]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 19 2013,06:14)

Quote (kerwin @ June 18 2013,06:50) Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 18 2013,07:49) Does scripture say these seven spirits are like “sons of God”?  Does it say the seven eyes are “archangels”? I don't remember these parts of scripture, Kerwin. Mike, Scripture states that: That Satan who arrived in a group of the sons of God stated he went to and fro and God asked what he saw. The seven eyes go to and fro The seven spirits go to and fro. It is a teaching that I believe some have derived from hints of Scripture that the seven eyes are seven archangels.  It seems reasonable that these watchers are angels. Okay.  Zechariah 1:8-12 also speaks of beings who go to and fro throughout the world, reporting back to God what they find.  (Another reason I don't believe God is literally “everywhere all the time”………. but that is a different subject.) But if your understanding is correct, and these seven spirits of God are really seven archangels, then it shows that the Holy Spirit is NOT God's ONLY spirit.  God has many spirits at His disposal.  Myriads upon myriads of them – according to scripture.  After all, angels are ministering spirits of God, right? I realize that a “spirit being” is not exactly what we're talking about.  But your own understanding of the seven spirits of God should be enough to tell you that Paul wasn't speaking LITERALLY when he said there is “one Lord, one spirit”. Each man has his own spirit.  There is the spirit of the antichrist.  There is the spirit of Satan.  There is the spirit of Christ.  There is the spirit from God by which all men live, which is NOT God's Holy Spirit, because only a chosen few receive that gift. Anyway, this is enough for you to see how I understand it.  You are welcome to your own understanding.

Mike,

I already conceded Paul may have just been speaking of the chief spirit of God.

The seven spirits in Revelations are also called eyes which does not fit anything that does not watch. The seven horns are seven powers, kings.

[terraricca]

Quote (Ed J @ June 19 2013,03:37)

Quote (terraricca @ June 19 2013,07:02) Quote (Ed J @ June 18 2013,13:50) Quote (terraricca @ June 18 2013,17:15) Quote (Ed J @ June 18 2013,09:55) Quote (terraricca @ June 18 2013,14:01) Quote (Ed J @ June 18 2013,08:56) Quote (terraricca @ June 18 2013,13:28) Quote (kerwin @ June 17 2013,10:05) T, For what purpose does God's spirit strive with man in relation to his lifespan? kerwin you tell me A: Because of sin edj is that the purpose why Without sin, there is no strife. Edj So for that reason men can only die at all ages From baby to old age ,why is it that some live longtime and some a few months Hi Pierre, I don't know. God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org EDJ SO THE “STRIVE” IS ONLY BECAUSE ADAM SINNED Yep

edj

so it has nothing to do with what kerwin as quoted right

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For what purpose does God's spirit strive with man in relation to his lifespan?

if you say ;yes then explain it to me

[terraricca]

kerwin

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I was thinking that the Spirit strove against the death that is in mortal flesh. That death is the wages of sin.

which SPIRIT strive because of the mortal flesh ?

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