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Quote (Ed J @ June 03 2013,14:34) Quote (terraricca @ June 04 2013,08:41) EDJ Quote NO Pierre, I have told you the truth, and you do not accept the truth. I don't respond to you much because of the foul stuff that comes out of your mouth.
“That which cometh out of the man, that defileth the man. For from within,
out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts” (Mark 7:20-21)may God give you in return as per your own words .
That's easy, you can accomplish that! …don't respond much to me than EITHER!
Hi Ed,Amen.
Peace brother…
Quote (abe @ June 04 2013,05:19) Quote (Ed J @ June 03 2013,14:34) Quote (terraricca @ June 04 2013,08:41) EDJ Quote NO Pierre, I have told you the truth, and you do not accept the truth. I don't respond to you much because of the foul stuff that comes out of your mouth.
“That which cometh out of the man, that defileth the man. For from within,
out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts” (Mark 7:20-21)may God give you in return as per your own words .
That's easy, you can accomplish that! …don't respond much to me than EITHER!
Hi Ed,Amen.
Peace brother…
it seems that “abe and edj are from the same schoolQuote (terraricca @ June 03 2013,20:35) Quote (kerwin @ June 03 2013,17:05) Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 03 2013,06:27) Quote (kerwin @ June 02 2013,17:19) Mike, I answered honestly but I chose to make it less vague than what you wanted to hear.
Actually Kerwin, as is par for you, you chose to make things way more CONFUSING and MUMBLED than they ever needed to be.Quote God is not created.
All bodies are created because bodies occupy space.
All beings are created. God is the exception.All bodies are created. God's is the exception.
(And not that I think you even have the foggiest idea about bodies and space, I will indulge you……….)
All bodies occupy space. God's is the exception.
Now can you see it, Kerwin? If God is the exception to SO MANY general claims about everyone else, then why can't He also be the exception to the claim, “All bodies are created” ?
There is no good answer you can give, Kerwin……….. so just let it go. You are making claims that you simply have no idea about. Paul said Jesus was existing in the form of God. I believe Paul, and you don't. That's the long and short of it.
Mike,Quote All bodies occupy space. God's is the exception. What I am hearing is that you are claiming God's body does not actually exist but is an ideal.
KerwinQuote What I am hearing is that you are claiming God's body does not actually exist but is an ideal. how do you come to that conclusion
because I can not see that at all
T,Mike is claiming God's body does not occupy space. A body that occupies zero amount of space is no body.
Quote (kerwin @ June 03 2013,04:51) Nice device that allows you to keep your paradigm alive.
Come on, Kerwin. What else are we supposed to think? Paul and Jesus both make it very clear that flesh cannot enter into the kingdom of heaven. And since we know that heaven is a spiritual realm, occupied by spirit beings like God and His angels, your common sense should also tell you the same thing that Paul and Jesus told you.Quote (kerwin @ June 03 2013,04:51) Quote (mikeboll @ 64) 3. Or must those who are born of flesh be born AGAIN – of something OTHER THAN flesh – in order to enter the kingdom of God? The spirit of the mind must be born again.
I think Jesus says “WE” must be born again – not “the spirit of our minds”.But, think what you want. You will anyway.
Quote (kerwin @ June 03 2013,05:05) What I am hearing is that you are claiming God's body does not actually exist but is an ideal.
No, I believe God really does have a body of some kind, Kerwin. What else would separate what IS “God” from what is “NOT God”?But believe what you like.
Quote (kerwin @ June 03 2013,05:14) Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 03 2013,02:17) Kerwin, Genesis 6
1 When men began to increase in number on the earth and daughters were born to them,2 the sons of God saw that the daughters of humans were beautiful, and they married any of them they chose.
In verse 1, who is included in the word “men”? Only Cain's line? Or does it mean men IN GENERAL?
Mike,This is the best argument supporting the the hypothesis that sons of God are the angel kind.
It is plausible that adam are the sons of Cain, whose numbers are growing larger while Seth's line is growing weaker due to intermarriage.
Okay. I believe the sons of God are angels who mated with humans and created large beings called “Nephilim”. You are free to understand it any way you'd like to.Quote (kerwin @ June 04 2013,06:29) Quote (terraricca @ June 03 2013,20:35) Quote (kerwin @ June 03 2013,17:05) Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 03 2013,06:27) Quote (kerwin @ June 02 2013,17:19) Mike, I answered honestly but I chose to make it less vague than what you wanted to hear.
Actually Kerwin, as is par for you, you chose to make things way more CONFUSING and MUMBLED than they ever needed to be.Quote God is not created.
All bodies are created because bodies occupy space.
All beings are created. God is the exception.All bodies are created. God's is the exception.
(And not that I think you even have the foggiest idea about bodies and space, I will indulge you……….)
All bodies occupy space. God's is the exception.
Now can you see it, Kerwin? If God is the exception to SO MANY general claims about everyone else, then why can't He also be the exception to the claim, “All bodies are created” ?
There is no good answer you can give, Kerwin……….. so just let it go. You are making claims that you simply have no idea about. Paul said Jesus was existing in the form of God. I believe Paul, and you don't. That's the long and short of it.
Mike,Quote All bodies occupy space. God's is the exception. What I am hearing is that you are claiming God's body does not actually exist but is an ideal.
KerwinQuote What I am hearing is that you are claiming God's body does not actually exist but is an ideal. how do you come to that conclusion
because I can not see that at all
T,Mike is claiming God's body does not occupy space. A body that occupies zero amount of space is no body.
KYou still I think never answered that question of mine ,”are we created outside of God or inside of God
Quote (abe @ June 03 2013,16:17) Quote (2besee @ June 03 2013,13:39) Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 03 2013,06:03)
3. Or must those who are born of flesh be born AGAIN – of something OTHER THAN flesh – in order to enter the kingdom of God?
You are kidding me right?
Mike, I am sorry to be the one to break it to you, but most people would laugh at your desperate attempts to avoid the obvious scriptures presented to you.
Hi 2b,Amen.
If you guys want to believe Jesus exists as the only flesh being in a spiritual realm filled with spirit beings such as God and angels, I can't stop you.2B, you and Abe have both opted to ignore Paul's words in Galatians 1:1 and 1:11, where Paul makes it clear that his gospel did NOT come from any MAN (Greek: human being), but from Jesus Christ. You've also opted to ignore my pleas to explain to me what Paul meant by those words.
Perhaps you could answer question #3 in the quote box above. (But I doubt you'll answer that one either.)
I leave you guys to your own understanding, and pray that God will someday enlighten you.
Quote (kerwin @ June 03 2013,18:29) T, Mike is claiming God's body does not occupy space. A body that occupies zero amount of space is no body.
Actually Kerwin,I made it clear in my original response to you that I don't believe you have a clue about bodies and space in heaven – especially in the beginning.
I stated words to that effect, and then said, “but I'll indulge you”.
My point was that God is an EXCEPTION to almost any claim we can make about beings “in general”. So if YOUR (not “my”) claim is that ALL BODIES take up space, God can ALSO be an exception in this case as well.
Mike
Each time they feel lost in there own web ,they say things against you what is clearly said by you in you r post, and they all say they have only one God ,I start to wander which one
Quote NO Pierre, I have told you the truth, and you do not accept the truth. I don't respond to you much because of the foul stuff that comes out of your mouth. “That which cometh out of the man, that defileth the man. For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts”
Ed,
Amen.Quote (2besee @ June 04 2013,07:43) Quote NO Pierre, I have told you the truth, and you do not accept the truth. I don't respond to you much because of the foul stuff that comes out of your mouth. “That which cometh out of the man, that defileth the man. For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts”
Ed,
Amen.
It seems now that 2bee as made his school with Abe and EdjQuote (terraricca @ June 04 2013,07:08) Quote (kerwin @ June 04 2013,06:29) Quote (terraricca @ June 03 2013,20:35) Quote (kerwin @ June 03 2013,17:05) Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 03 2013,06:27) Quote (kerwin @ June 02 2013,17:19) Mike, I answered honestly but I chose to make it less vague than what you wanted to hear.
Actually Kerwin, as is par for you, you chose to make things way more CONFUSING and MUMBLED than they ever needed to be.Quote God is not created.
All bodies are created because bodies occupy space.
All beings are created. God is the exception.All bodies are created. God's is the exception.
(And not that I think you even have the foggiest idea about bodies and space, I will indulge you……….)
All bodies occupy space. God's is the exception.
Now can you see it, Kerwin? If God is the exception to SO MANY general claims about everyone else, then why can't He also be the exception to the claim, “All bodies are created” ?
There is no good answer you can give, Kerwin……….. so just let it go. You are making claims that you simply have no idea about. Paul said Jesus was existing in the form of God. I believe Paul, and you don't. That's the long and short of it.
Mike,Quote All bodies occupy space. God's is the exception. What I am hearing is that you are claiming God's body does not actually exist but is an ideal.
KerwinQuote What I am hearing is that you are claiming God's body does not actually exist but is an ideal. how do you come to that conclusion
because I can not see that at all
T,Mike is claiming God's body does not occupy space. A body that occupies zero amount of space is no body.
KYou still I think never answered that question of mine ,”are we created outside of God or inside of God
T,We live,move, and have our being in him, Acts 17:28.
Quote (kerwin @ June 04 2013,07:54) Quote (terraricca @ June 04 2013,07:08) Quote (kerwin @ June 04 2013,06:29) Quote (terraricca @ June 03 2013,20:35) Quote (kerwin @ June 03 2013,17:05) Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 03 2013,06:27) Quote (kerwin @ June 02 2013,17:19) Mike, I answered honestly but I chose to make it less vague than what you wanted to hear.
Actually Kerwin, as is par for you, you chose to make things way more CONFUSING and MUMBLED than they ever needed to be.Quote God is not created.
All bodies are created because bodies occupy space.
All beings are created. God is the exception.All bodies are created. God's is the exception.
(And not that I think you even have the foggiest idea about bodies and space, I will indulge you……….)
All bodies occupy space. God's is the exception.
Now can you see it, Kerwin? If God is the exception to SO MANY general claims about everyone else, then why can't He also be the exception to the claim, “All bodies are created” ?
There is no good answer you can give, Kerwin……….. so just let it go. You are making claims that you simply have no idea about. Paul said Jesus was existing in the form of God. I believe Paul, and you don't. That's the long and short of it.
Mike,Quote All bodies occupy space. God's is the exception. What I am hearing is that you are claiming God's body does not actually exist but is an ideal.
KerwinQuote What I am hearing is that you are claiming God's body does not actually exist but is an ideal. how do you come to that conclusion
because I can not see that at all
T,Mike is claiming God's body does not occupy space. A body that occupies zero amount of space is no body.
KYou still I think never answered that question of mine ,”are we created outside of God or inside of God
T,We live,move, and have our being in him, Acts 17:28.
KThis is not saying that Gods creation is in or out of God's being ,right
Quote Come on, Kerwin. What else are we supposed to think? Paul and Jesus both make it very clear that flesh cannot enter into the kingdom of heaven. And since we know that heaven is a spiritual realm, occupied by spirit beings like God and His angels, your common sense should also tell you the same thing that Paul and Jesus told you. You should understand that you are not correctly understanding either Jesus or Paul. Plenty of witnesses explain the words of both Paul and Jesus to allow flesh to be saved by becoming immortal. Instead of believing these witnesses you choose to believe that flesh cannot be saved but the body can if transformed to spirit.
Quote I think Jesus says “WE” must be born again – not “the spirit of our minds”. But, think what you want. You will anyway.
You must be born again in spirit, not as of the flesh.
Quote (kerwin @ June 03 2013,20:21) Plenty of witnesses explain the words of both Paul and Jesus to allow flesh to be saved by becoming immortal.
Are any of those SCRIPTURAL witnesses, Kerwin? And which one of those witnesses agree that flesh CAN dwell in the spiritual realm of heaven?Quote (kerwin @ June 03 2013,20:21) You must be born again in spirit, not as of the flesh.
Close, but see how you have to ADD your own words to Jesus' teaching so your doctrine can be fulfilled? Is that healthy, Kerwin?What Jesus actually said was that flesh gives birth to flesh, and because of this fact, WE (not our spirits) must be born again of something OTHER THAN flesh in order to enter the kingdom of God.
Believe it or don't. I don't really care.
Quote (terraricca @ June 04 2013,08:13) Quote (kerwin @ June 04 2013,07:54) Quote (terraricca @ June 04 2013,07:08) Quote (kerwin @ June 04 2013,06:29) Quote (terraricca @ June 03 2013,20:35) Quote (kerwin @ June 03 2013,17:05) Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 03 2013,06:27) Quote (kerwin @ June 02 2013,17:19) Mike, I answered honestly but I chose to make it less vague than what you wanted to hear.
Actually Kerwin, as is par for you, you chose to make things way more CONFUSING and MUMBLED than they ever needed to be.Quote God is not created.
All bodies are created because bodies occupy space.
All beings are created. God is the exception.All bodies are created. God's is the exception.
(And not that I think you even have the foggiest idea about bodies and space, I will indulge you……….)
All bodies occupy space. God's is the exception.
Now can you see it, Kerwin? If God is the exception to SO MANY general claims about everyone else, then why can't He also be the exception to the claim, “All bodies are created” ?
There is no good answer you can give, Kerwin……….. so just let it go. You are making claims that you simply have no idea about. Paul said Jesus was existing in the form of God. I believe Paul, and you don't. That's the long and short of it.
Mike,Quote All bodies occupy space. God's is the exception. What I am hearing is that you are claiming God's body does not actually exist but is an ideal.
KerwinQuote What I am hearing is that you are claiming God's body does not actually exist but is an ideal. how do you come to that conclusion
because I can not see that at all
T,Mike is claiming God's body does not occupy space. A body that occupies zero amount of space is no body.
KYou still I think never answered that question of mine ,”are we created outside of God or inside of God
T,We live,move, and have our being in him, Acts 17:28.
KThis is not saying that Gods creation is in or out of God's being ,right
T,It seems to be saying that creation exists,lives, and moves in God and would not exist, live,or move outside of God. I know he is our life as when God's Spirit stops striving with our flesh we die the first death.
Quote (kerwin @ June 04 2013,08:33) Quote (terraricca @ June 04 2013,08:13) Quote (kerwin @ June 04 2013,07:54) Quote (terraricca @ June 04 2013,07:08) Quote (kerwin @ June 04 2013,06:29) Quote (terraricca @ June 03 2013,20:35) Quote (kerwin @ June 03 2013,17:05) Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 03 2013,06:27) Quote (kerwin @ June 02 2013,17:19) Mike, I answered honestly but I chose to make it less vague than what you wanted to hear.
Actually Kerwin, as is par for you, you chose to make things way more CONFUSING and MUMBLED than they ever needed to be.Quote God is not created.
All bodies are created because bodies occupy space.
All beings are created. God is the exception.All bodies are created. God's is the exception.
(And not that I think you even have the foggiest idea about bodies and space, I will indulge you……….)
All bodies occupy space. God's is the exception.
Now can you see it, Kerwin? If God is the exception to SO MANY general claims about everyone else, then why can't He also be the exception to the claim, “All bodies are created” ?
There is no good answer you can give, Kerwin……….. so just let it go. You are making claims that you simply have no idea about. Paul said Jesus was existing in the form of God. I believe Paul, and you don't. That's the long and short of it.
Mike,Quote All bodies occupy space. God's is the exception. What I am hearing is that you are claiming God's body does not actually exist but is an ideal.
KerwinQuote What I am hearing is that you are claiming God's body does not actually exist but is an ideal. how do you come to that conclusion
because I can not see that at all
T,Mike is claiming God's body does not occupy space. A body that occupies zero amount of space is no body.
KYou still I think never answered that question of mine ,”are we created outside of God or inside of God
T,We live,move, and have our being in him, Acts 17:28.
KThis is not saying that Gods creation is in or out of God's being ,right
T,It seems to be saying that creation exists,lives, and moves in God and would not exist, live,or move outside of God. I know he is our life as when God's Spirit stops striving with our flesh we die the first death.
KSo wen scriptures says that God's spirit was moving upon the earth he was actual moving inside of himself
And wen he said about the days of creation ,that he saw it was good ,he was also looking at his inside
It seems to me that you would do all thing in opposition to the logic of created nature ,like building a house starting from the inside and finish through the outside ,I mean you would set the furniture and appliances first then build the basement walls and floor, plumbing and electrical,make the walls go around the plumbing vents and and electrical wires then install the dry wall and latter install the wooden frame ,do you see my point yet
Quote (2besee @ June 04 2013,08:49) Quote 3) The fire of God is spiritual, not physical. Hi Ed.
The fire is literal.
Hi 2Besee,Yes, the spiritual fire of God “IS” literally true. (see Heb.12:29)
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (terraricca @ June 03 2013,18:56) Quote (kerwin @ June 04 2013,08:33) Quote (terraricca @ June 04 2013,08:13) Quote (kerwin @ June 04 2013,07:54) Quote (terraricca @ June 04 2013,07:08) Quote (kerwin @ June 04 2013,06:29) Quote (terraricca @ June 03 2013,20:35) Quote (kerwin @ June 03 2013,17:05) Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 03 2013,06:27) Quote (kerwin @ June 02 2013,17:19) Mike, I answered honestly but I chose to make it less vague than what you wanted to hear.
Actually Kerwin, as is par for you, you chose to make things way more CONFUSING and MUMBLED than they ever needed to be.Quote God is not created.
All bodies are created because bodies occupy space.
All beings are created. God is the exception.All bodies are created. God's is the exception.
(And not that I think you even have the foggiest idea about bodies and space, I will indulge you……….)
All bodies occupy space. God's is the exception.
Now can you see it, Kerwin? If God is the exception to SO MANY general claims about everyone else, then why can't He also be the exception to the claim, “All bodies are created” ?
There is no good answer you can give, Kerwin……….. so just let it go. You are making claims that you simply have no idea about. Paul said Jesus was existing in the form of God. I believe Paul, and you don't. That's the long and short of it.
Mike,Quote All bodies occupy space. God's is the exception. What I am hearing is that you are claiming God's body does not actually exist but is an ideal.
KerwinQuote What I am hearing is that you are claiming God's body does not actually exist but is an ideal. how do you come to that conclusion
because I can not see that at all
T,Mike is claiming God's body does not occupy space. A body that occupies zero amount of space is no body.
KYou still I think never answered that question of mine ,”are we created outside of God or inside of God
T,We live,move, and have our being in him, Acts 17:28.
KThis is not saying that Gods creation is in or out of God's being ,right
T,It seems to be saying that creation exists,lives, and moves in God and would not exist, live,or move outside of God. I know he is our life as when God's Spirit stops striving with our flesh we die the first death.
KSo wen scriptures says that God's spirit was moving upon the earth he was actual moving inside of himself
And wen he said about the days of creation ,that he saw it was good ,he was also looking at his inside
It seems to me that you would do all thing in opposition to the logic of created nature ,like building a house starting from the inside and finish through the outside ,I mean you would set the furniture and appliances first then build the basement walls and floor, plumbing and electrical,make the walls go around the plumbing vents and and electrical wires then install the dry wall and latter install the wooden frame ,do you see my point yet
Hi T,Eph.4:6 one God and Father of all who is OVER all and THROUGH all and IN all.
Peace.
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