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    Ed J
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    THESE 490 YEARS ARE PART OF THE 2300 YEARS OF DANIEL 8:14
    THEY ARE THE BEGINNING

    Hi Berean,

    What evidence do you have that the 2,300 years are tied to the 490 years?

    #868179
    Berean
    Participant

    Edj
    This is surely one of the most important questions you ask there.
    Have you already started to try to understand the 2300 evenings and mornings (years) of Daniel 8:14
    If so, would you like to tell me what you think?
    Personally, I have studied with Seventh-day Adventists. It is with them, thank God that I began to understand this prophecy of 2300 days / years.

    I’m waiting for your answer.
    God bless you

    #868184
    keras
    Participant

    Keras

    You

    Then your belief that there was exactly 3 1/2 years until Peter had his ‘cornucopia’ vision, is an unsupportable guess, just made to fit the wrong theory of the final 7 years being past history.

    Me

    I don’t know what you are talking about.
    can you explain to me ?  Quote Berean.

    Your belief that the 7 year, 70th ‘week’ of Daniel, was completed from when Jesus commenced His ministry, Crucified after 3 1/2 years, then the Gospel goes to the gentiles after 3 1/2 years, is wrong and does not fit what Daniel and Revelation prophesied would happen during that 7 year period.

    Also, I note your confusion about the 2300 evenings and mornings, you promote erroneous SDA teachings.  That 1150 year period was completed in 164 to 167 BC; the first Temple desecration.

     

    #868187
    Ed J
    Participant

    Edj
    This is surely one of the most important questions you ask there.
    Have you already started to try to understand the 2300 evenings and mornings (years) of Daniel 8:14
    If so, would you like to tell me what you think?
    Personally, I have studied with Seventh-day Adventists. It is with them, thank God that I began to understand this prophecy of 2300 days / years.

    I’m waiting for your answer.
    God bless you

    Hi Berean,

    I don’t see a clear starting point for the 2,300 years, so the 1944 date seems arbitrary

    #868191
    Berean
    Participant

    Keras

    These are your conclusions confused by the theories of Babylon.
    You may be greatly disappointed if you continue to drink yourself with all this confusion.
    Just give me a verse in Revelation that talks about 7 years of tribulation and we’ll see after that.

    #868192
    Berean
    Participant

    Hi Edj

    I don’t see a clear starting point for the 2,300 years, so the 1944 date seems arbitrary

     

    1944 ????
    Didn’t you mean 1844 instead of 1844?

    #868193
    Berean
    Participant

    Hi Edj

    Sorry

    I think You want to Say 1844.

    Yes  ?

     

    #868194
    keras
    Participant

    Keras

    These are your conclusions confused by the theories of Babylon.
    You may be greatly disappointed if you continue to drink yourself with all this confusion.
    Just give me a verse in Revelation that talks about 7 years of tribulation and we’ll see after that.  Quote Berean.

    I quote the Bible prophets. Where is ‘Babylon’ in them?

    We know the final 7 years is split into 2 halves.  It is a 7 year peace treaty, so the first half will be peaceful, that is why it isn’t mentioned.  But the 2nd half is prophesied many times in Rev; as the 1260 days, of 42 months, or 3 1/2 years.

     

    #868195
    Berean
    Participant

    Keras

    You

    We know the final 7 years is split into 2 halves.  It is a 7 year peace treaty, so the first half will be peaceful, that is why it isn’t mentioned.  But the 2nd half is prophesied many times in Rev; as the 1260 days, of 42 months, or 3 1/2 years.

    Me

    This is precisely the interpretation of Babylon the great who drunk the world with the wine of the fury of her fornication. (Revelation 14: 8)

    Keras
    Since one prophetic day in Daniel 9 equals one literal year, there is no reason not to apply the same rule in Revelation.

    chap. 11: 2b “and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.”
    42 prophetic months = 1260 litteral years (42 x 30 = 1260)

    chap12: 6 “And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.”
    1260 prophetic days = 1260 literal years

    chap. 12 v.14 ‘And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent. ”

    a prophetic time = 360 prophetic days
    360 proph.days = 360 literal years

    times = 360. x. 2. = 720 yrs

    1/2 time =. 360: 2 = 180 yrs

    360 + 720 + 180 = 1260 yrs

    chap. 13: 5 “And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.”
    Same as chapter 11
    42 proph.months = 1260 literal years

    IN DANIEL 7:25

    And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.

    IDEM REV. 12:14

    So 42 proph.months = a proph.time, times, half a time = 1260 proph.days = 1260 litteral years

     

     

    #868198
    Ed J
    Participant

    Hi Edj

    Sorry

    I think You want to Say 1844.

    Yes ?

    Yes Berean,

    I don’t see a clear starting date for the 2,300 years, so the 1844 date seems arbitrary

    The 490 year prophecy (on the other hand) does have a clear starting date of 457bc

    #868199
    keras
    Participant

    Since one prophetic day in Daniel 9 equals one literal year, there is no reason not to apply the same rule in Revelation.   Quote Berean

    Yes there is, as it makes a farce of the given time periods in Revelation.  The 1260 days, the 42 months and the 3 1/2 years are clearly just a time of three and a half years. Of 360 day years.

    Your post above is wrong, proved by the time of 1260 years not fitting into history or the end times, anywhere.

    #868200
    Ed J
    Participant

    The abomination of desolation (dome of the rock) was set up in 688ad.

    “But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not;
    for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city they shall
    tread under foot forty and two months.” (Rev 11:2)

    42 months is 1,260 days and 1,260 days are 1,260 Prophetic years…

    “And the woman (Isreal) fled into the wilderness, where she
    hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her
    there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.” (Rev 12:6)

    688 + 1,260 = 1948

    “shall a nation be born at once (Israel 1948)? for as soon
    as Zion travailed, she brought forth her children.” (Isaiah 66:8)

    ____________
    God bless
    Ed J

    A clear starting date (688ad) and a clear ending date (1948)

    #868201
    Ed J
    Participant

    Prophecy is given a day for a year.

    Hi Berean, Once again a clear starting date and a clear ending date…

    Babylon sacked Jerusalem around 602bc – taken away the daily sacrifice

    “And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away (602bc),
    and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be
    a thousand two hundred and ninety days.” (Dan 12:11)

    A clear starting date (602bc) and a clear ending date (688ad)

    1,290 – 602 = 688ad

    The abomination of desolation (dome of the rock) was set up in 688ad.

    (1 John 5:9)
    If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater…
    We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto
    ye do well that ye take heed”
    (2 Peter 1:19)

    Dome of the Rock, 688

    #868204
    Ed J
    Participant

    Hi Berean,

    For the 2,300 year prophecy you have neither:

    a clear starting date

    nor a clear ending date

    Private interpretations are to be discounted (2 Peter 1:20)

    What happened in 1844 that can be looked at as anything definitive? Why
    then piggy-back this to the start of the 490 year prophecy concerning Israel?

    Do you have any answers?

    #868205
    Berean
    Participant

    Revelation 2:8-11: “And to the angel of the
    church in Smyrna write, These things says the First
    and the Last, who was dead, and came to life: “I
    know your works, tribulation, and poverty (but you
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    are rich); and I know the blasphemy of those who
    say they are Jews and are not, but are a synagogue
    of Satan. Do not fear any of those things which you
    are about to suffer. Indeed, the devil is about to
    throw some of you into prison, that you may be
    tested, and you will have tribulation TEN DAYS . Be
    faithful until death, and I will give you the crown
    of life. He who has an ear, let him hear what the
    Spirit says to the churches. He who overcomes
    shall not be hurt by the second death.”‘”
    The word “Smyrna” means something that
    smells sweet. This second period of the church was
    one of persecution and suffering, extending from
    about A.D. 100 to about A.D. 313.
    God does not enjoy seeing His people suffer,
    but their faithfulness and loyalty under trial honors
    the name of the Saviour who died for them. The
    early Christians were generally poor people. James
    says of them, “Has not God chosen the poor of this
    world to be rich in faith and heirs of the kingdom
    which He promised to those who love Him?”
    James 2:5.)
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    False brethren were a severe trial. The “Jews”
    mentioned here were members who professed to
    follow Christ, but who were in heart lovers of self
    and of the world. These insincere converts made
    trouble for those who chose to follow the footsteps
    of Christ. They continually sought to bring in
    heathen beliefs and customs to corrupt the faith.
    The “ten days” of tribulation are a prophetic
    period of time. Each day stands for a year (see
    Numbers 14:34; Ezekiel 4:6, “I have laid on you a
    day for each year”). The last and the most bloody
    pagan persecution was under the Emperor
    Diocletian between the years A.D. 303-313, which
    ten years are a remarkable fulfillment of these “ten
    days” of prophetic symbolic time.
    Those who die for their faith in Christ need not
    fear. The Lord will give them a “crown of life”
    which is to be given at Christ’s appearing when the
    Lord Himself shall descend from heaven, and the
    dead in Christ shall rise first (see 2 Timothy 4:8
    and 1 Thessalonians 4:16, 17). Some of God’s
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    people today may suffer death. Let them not fear,
    but trust in this promise.
    The “first death” is not to be feared, for it is but
    a “sleep.” “Do not fear those who kill the body but
    can not kill the soul” (Matthew 10:28). The
    “second death” is the one to be feared, for it is
    eternal and hopeless, without any resurrection. The
    “second death” is the final destruction of the lost
    after the “thousand years” (see Revelation 20).

    #868229
    Ed J
    Participant

    Hi Berean,

    Can you please just tell me (in your words) why
    you believe the 2,300 year prophecy started
    at the same time the 490 years started?

    #868230
    Ed J
    Participant

    ”Hi Edj,
    This is a big deal for me to explain the 2300 days/years prophecy”

    Hi Berean,

    Please do so then.

    ____________
    God bless
    Ed J

    #868371
    carmel
    Participant

    Hi Gene,

    YOU: the return of GOD THE FATHER.

     

    WHERE IN THE BIBLE YOU READ THE ABOVE PLEASE??? 

    #868381
    GeneBalthrop
    Participant

    Carmel……there are many scriptures that show that,  the return of God the Father , is what happens at the end of the thousand year rule of Jesus and the Saint’s ,  as shown in the book of Revelations. Scripture also show at the end Jesus will hand  over his kingdom , which he is ruling over (the restored kingdom of King David) over to God and become subject to him as all the earth shall be, as

    1 Cor 15:28 …..clearly shows. 

    God the Father ,  spoke through Jesus’ mouth these words,

    Mat 23:37-39………O Jerusalem Jerusalem,  you that killed the prophets and stone them which are sent unto you, how often would I have gathered your childern together as a hen gathers her chickens under her wings  and you would not. Verse 38…..Behold you house is left unto you desolate.  Verse 39….For I (GOD) say unto you , you shall not see me henceforth, till you shall say, blessed is he that comes in the name of the Lord.  

    That was not Jesus talking about himself , that was God the Father speaking to us through the mouth of Jesus,   first person.

    There are other scriptures that show this also.

    Peace and love to you and yours. ……….gene

     

    #868389
    carmel
    Participant

    Hi Gene,

    YOU:Carmel……there are many scriptures that show that,  the return of God the Father

    ME: Gene, there are no scripture which says that the Father returns!

    THE FATHER WAS ETERNALLY IN THE SON, FROM THE VERY BEGINNING!

    John1:11IN the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2The same was in the beginning with God.

    YOU:Scripture also show at the end Jesus will hand over his kingdom !

    THE ABOVE IS NOT THE RETURN OF THE FATHER.

    JESUS’KINGDOM Gene WOULD BE MANIFESTED ALL PHYSICALLY IN

    ALL CREATURES IN FLESH.

    ALL REALMS IN HUMAN BODIES OF FLESH,

    IN GLORIFIED SPIRITUAL/FLESH

    THE NEW JERUSALEM, THE BRIDE!

    PROVIDED BY GOD THE FATHER, IN ORDER FOR THE FATHER, SPIRIT, TO BE 

    ALL IN ALL.

    ALL SPIRITUAL REALMS INCLUDING THE FATHER IN

    ALL HUMAN FLESH,

    ALL MANIFESTED PHYSICALLY IDENTICAL IN EVERY SENSE! IN

    JESUS CHRIST!

    1John 3:2 Behold what manner of charity

    the Father hath bestowed upon us,

    that we should be called, and should be the sons of God.

    Therefore the world knoweth not us, because it knew not him. 

    JESUS CHRIST AS GOD!

    2Dearly beloved,

    we are now the sons of God;

    IN THE SAME WAY JESUS CHRIST IS!

    and it hath not yet appeared what we shall be.

    We know, that, when he (GOD ALMIGHTY) shall appear,

    we shall be like to him:

    because we shall see him as

    he is. 

    JESUS CHRIST!

    THE ABOVE IS A CLEAR REFERENCE TO

    GOD ALMIGHTY, SPIRIT,

    EMBODIED IN

    JESUS CHRIST,

    WE IN ACTUAL FACT WILL LOOK AND SEE 

    JESUS CHRIST IN

    THE FATHER’S GLORY! 

    MAN! FULLY LUMINOUS!

    IDENTICAL TO ALL HIS CREATURES, ALL 

    CHRISTS! LUMINOUS LIKE THE FATHER IN CHRIST!

    ALL SONS/DAUGHTERS OF GOD!

    ANDROGYNOUS! MALE AND FEMALE!

    Rev:21:1And I saw a new heaven and a new earth. For the first heaven and the first earth was gone, and the sea is now no more. (SATAN’S ABODE)

    2And I John saw the holy city,

    the new Jerusalem,

    ( THE NEW  SPIRITUAL FLESH BODY)

    coming down out of heaven from God,

    prepared as a BRIDE adorned for her HUSBAND.

    THE HUSBANDS ARE ALL CREATURES AS SPIRITS IN CHRIST!

    THE HOLY GHOST, IN NEED OF THE PHYSICAL LUMINOUS BODY,

    THE BRIDE PROVIDED BY THE FATHER IN

    “THE WORD” JESUS, THE SON OF MAN! John17:1

     3And I heard a great voice from the throne, saying:

    Behold the tabernacle of God with men,

    and he will dwell with them.

    And they shall be his people; (HUMANS  PHYSICALLY IDENTICAL

    TO GOD ALMIGHTY)

    and God himself with them shall be their God.

     4And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes:

    and death shall be no more, nor mourning, nor crying, nor sorrow shall be any more,

    for the former things are passed away.

     

    22And I saw no temple therein.

    For the Lord God Almighty  ATTENTION Gene:

    is the temple thereof,

    and the Lamb.

    GOD ALMIGHTY IS THE LAMB! OBVIOUS IN

    “THE WORD” JESUS THE SON OF MAN!!!

    23 And the city (THE HUMAN BODY) hath no need of the sun, nor of the moon,

    to shine in it.

    HUMANS WILL NO LONGER BE CARRIERS OF THE LIGHT,

    DECLARED BY JESUS:

    YOU ARE THE LIGHT OF THE WORLD!

    BUT THEY BECOME 

    THE LIGHT ITSELF!!!

    For the glory of God hath

    ENLIGHTENED IT (THROUGHOUT)

    and the Lamb (“THE WORD” THE SON OF MAN, JESUS)

    is the lamp thereof.

    24And the nations shall walk in

    the light of it:

    and the kings of the earth shall bring their glory and honour into it. 

    IT IS A REFERENCE TO THE 

    NEW FLESH BODY

    THE NEW JERUSALEM!

    AS THE FIRST ONE 

    THE FIRST HUMAN BODY IN EVE!

    THE WOMAN!

    LUCIFER

    REJECTED GOD!

     

    YOU: Mat 23:37-39………O Jerusalem Jerusalem,  you that killed the prophets and stone them which are sent unto you,

    how often would I have gathered your childern together

    ME: A REFERENCE TO EVE, THE WOMAN!

    as a hen gathers her chickens under her wings  and you would not.

    ME: LUCIFER REJECTED GOD IN HEAVEN ONCE HE BECAME AWARE THAT GOD WOULD BECOME MAN BORN OF  A WOMAN! 

    HE OPTED TO BE  PRECISELY

    THE WOMAN IN THE RACE FOR MANHOOD!

    Verse 38…..Behold your house is left unto you desolate. 

    ME: YOUR HOUSE IS THE FLESH BODY OF THE WOMAN IN EVE!

    Verse 39….For I (GOD IN JESUS CHRIST) say unto you , you shall not see me

    ( GOD IN JESUS CHRIST)

    henceforth, till you shall say, blessed is he that comes in the name of the Lord.  

    ME: WHAT EXACTLY OCCURRED IN HELL WHEN JESUS CHRIST APPEARED IN HELL AFTER SATAN TOOK HIM TO HELL AND HE HIMSELF PROCLAIMED HIM

    GOD AND LORD IN FRONT OF HIS ASSOCIATES!

    YOU: That was not Jesus talking about himself ,

    that was God the Father speaking to us through the mouth of Jesus,   first person.

    ME Gene,  FOR GOD’S SAKE:

    THERE’S NO DIFFERENCE BETWEEN

    GOD THE FATHER AND JESUS.

    THE FATHER IS GOD INVISIBLE 

    JESUS IS GOD VISIBLE

    THE ONLY MANIFESTATION OF THE FATHER!

    NO JESUS NO GOD, NO GOD NO JESUS!

    WHEN WILL YOU GET IT INTO YOUR CARNAL MIND THAT 

    GOD IS A SPIRIT!

    John 4:23 But the hour cometh, and now is,

    AFTER JESUS GLORIFICATION ON THE CROSS!

    when the true adorers shall adore the Father in

    spirit and in truth.

    THE ABOVE IS A CLEAR REFERENCE TO

    JESUS CHRIST 

    IN THE HOLY GHOST,

    SPIRIT, and

    “THE WORD” THE SON OF MAN,

    TRUTH!

    For the Father also seeketh such to adore him.

     24God is a spirit;

    and they that adore him, must adore him

    in spirit and in truth.

    OUR LORD GOD JESUS CHRIST

    WE HAVE TO ADORE JESUS CHRIST IN ORDER TO ADORE 

    GOD THE FATHER.

    READ AND DISCERN THE TRUTH!

    John14:7 If you had known me,

    you would without a doubt HAVE KNOWN

    my Father also:

    and from henceforth you shall know him,

    and you have seen him.

    NOTICE ALL IN PRESENT PERFECT TENSE,

    A CLEAR REFERENCE TO THE PAST,

    JESUS’ PRE-EXISTENCE,

    AS THE EMBODIMENT OF GOD, IN ONE GLORY WITH THE FATHER!

    THE BODY WHICH GOD THE FATHER OCCUPIED

    BEFORE THE WORLD WAS!

    BUT NOT VISIBLE FOR ANYONE IN THE SPIRITUAL REALM!!!

    SIMPLY, AS THEY HAD TO JUSTIFY THEIR LOYALTY TO GOD FOR A PROBATION PERIOD. THROUGH CREATION OF THE UNIVERSE!

    NOW READ:

    John17:10 And all my things are thine,

    and thine are mine;

    and I am glorified in them.

    HOW ON EARTH YOU REMAIN SO BLIND???

    JESUS PHYSICALLY

    IS GLORIFIED IN ALL THINGS,

    SPIRITUAL, OF THE FATHER!!!

    SIMPLY AS JESUS ETERNALLY IS MANIFESTING

    THE FATHER PHYSICALLY!

    ON THE LAST DAY, WHEN THE FATHER WOULD BE 

    ALL IN ALL,

    JESUS WILL HAND OVER HIS BODY TO 

    THE FATHER!WHILE JESUS RETURNS BACK IN HIS ORIGINAL STATE IN THE BOSOM OF THE FATHER!

    BUT IN ACTUAL FACT,

    ALL CREATURES WOULD SEE

    JESUS CHRIST IN THE GLORY OF THE FATHER. 

    THE FATHER IS SPIRIT!

    THE ONLY BODY HE WOULD OWN IS

    JESUS’

    Peace and love in Jesus Christ

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