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THESE 490 YEARS ARE PART OF THE 2300 YEARS OF DANIEL 8:14
THEY ARE THE BEGINNINGHi Berean,
What evidence do you have that the 2,300 years are tied to the 490 years?
Edj
This is surely one of the most important questions you ask there.
Have you already started to try to understand the 2300 evenings and mornings (years) of Daniel 8:14
If so, would you like to tell me what you think?
Personally, I have studied with Seventh-day Adventists. It is with them, thank God that I began to understand this prophecy of 2300 days / years.I’m waiting for your answer.
God bless youKeras
You
Then your belief that there was exactly 3 1/2 years until Peter had his ‘cornucopia’ vision, is an unsupportable guess, just made to fit the wrong theory of the final 7 years being past history.
Me
I don’t know what you are talking about.
can you explain to me ? Quote Berean.Your belief that the 7 year, 70th ‘week’ of Daniel, was completed from when Jesus commenced His ministry, Crucified after 3 1/2 years, then the Gospel goes to the gentiles after 3 1/2 years, is wrong and does not fit what Daniel and Revelation prophesied would happen during that 7 year period.
Also, I note your confusion about the 2300 evenings and mornings, you promote erroneous SDA teachings. That 1150 year period was completed in 164 to 167 BC; the first Temple desecration.
Edj
This is surely one of the most important questions you ask there.
Have you already started to try to understand the 2300 evenings and mornings (years) of Daniel 8:14
If so, would you like to tell me what you think?
Personally, I have studied with Seventh-day Adventists. It is with them, thank God that I began to understand this prophecy of 2300 days / years.I’m waiting for your answer.
God bless youHi Berean,
I don’t see a clear starting point for the 2,300 years, so the 1944 date seems arbitrary
Keras
These are your conclusions confused by the theories of Babylon.
You may be greatly disappointed if you continue to drink yourself with all this confusion.
Just give me a verse in Revelation that talks about 7 years of tribulation and we’ll see after that.Hi Edj
I don’t see a clear starting point for the 2,300 years, so the 1944 date seems arbitrary
1944 ????
Didn’t you mean 1844 instead of 1844?Keras
These are your conclusions confused by the theories of Babylon.
You may be greatly disappointed if you continue to drink yourself with all this confusion.
Just give me a verse in Revelation that talks about 7 years of tribulation and we’ll see after that. Quote Berean.I quote the Bible prophets. Where is ‘Babylon’ in them?
We know the final 7 years is split into 2 halves. It is a 7 year peace treaty, so the first half will be peaceful, that is why it isn’t mentioned. But the 2nd half is prophesied many times in Rev; as the 1260 days, of 42 months, or 3 1/2 years.
Keras
You
We know the final 7 years is split into 2 halves. It is a 7 year peace treaty, so the first half will be peaceful, that is why it isn’t mentioned. But the 2nd half is prophesied many times in Rev; as the 1260 days, of 42 months, or 3 1/2 years.
Me
This is precisely the interpretation of Babylon the great who drunk the world with the wine of the fury of her fornication. (Revelation 14: 8)
Keras
Since one prophetic day in Daniel 9 equals one literal year, there is no reason not to apply the same rule in Revelation.chap. 11: 2b “and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.”
42 prophetic months = 1260 litteral years (42 x 30 = 1260)chap12: 6 “And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.”
1260 prophetic days = 1260 literal yearschap. 12 v.14 ‘And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent. ”
a prophetic time = 360 prophetic days
360 proph.days = 360 literal yearstimes = 360. x. 2. = 720 yrs
1/2 time =. 360: 2 = 180 yrs
360 + 720 + 180 = 1260 yrs
chap. 13: 5 “And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.”
Same as chapter 11
42 proph.months = 1260 literal yearsIN DANIEL 7:25
And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.
IDEM REV. 12:14
So 42 proph.months = a proph.time, times, half a time = 1260 proph.days = 1260 litteral years
Hi Edj
Sorry
I think You want to Say 1844.
Yes ?
Yes Berean,
I don’t see a clear starting date for the 2,300 years, so the 1844 date seems arbitrary
The 490 year prophecy (on the other hand) does have a clear starting date of 457bc
Since one prophetic day in Daniel 9 equals one literal year, there is no reason not to apply the same rule in Revelation. Quote Berean
Yes there is, as it makes a farce of the given time periods in Revelation. The 1260 days, the 42 months and the 3 1/2 years are clearly just a time of three and a half years. Of 360 day years.
Your post above is wrong, proved by the time of 1260 years not fitting into history or the end times, anywhere.
The abomination of desolation (dome of the rock) was set up in 688ad.
“But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not;
for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city they shall
tread under foot forty and two months.” (Rev 11:2)42 months is 1,260 days and 1,260 days are 1,260 Prophetic years…
“And the woman (Isreal) fled into the wilderness, where she
hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her
there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.” (Rev 12:6)688 + 1,260 = 1948
“shall a nation be born at once (Israel 1948)? for as soon
as Zion travailed, she brought forth her children.” (Isaiah 66:8)____________
God bless
Ed JA clear starting date (688ad) and a clear ending date (1948)
Prophecy is given a day for a year.
Hi Berean, Once again a clear starting date and a clear ending date…
Babylon sacked Jerusalem around 602bc – taken away the daily sacrifice
“And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away (602bc),
and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be
a thousand two hundred and ninety days.” (Dan 12:11)A clear starting date (602bc) and a clear ending date (688ad)
1,290 – 602 = 688ad
The abomination of desolation (dome of the rock) was set up in 688ad.
(1 John 5:9)
If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater…
We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto
ye do well that ye take heed” (2 Peter 1:19)Hi Berean,
For the 2,300 year prophecy you have neither:
a clear starting date
nor a clear ending date
Private interpretations are to be discounted (2 Peter 1:20)
What happened in 1844 that can be looked at as anything definitive? Why
then piggy-back this to the start of the 490 year prophecy concerning Israel?Do you have any answers?
Revelation 2:8-11: “And to the angel of the
church in Smyrna write, These things says the First
and the Last, who was dead, and came to life: “I
know your works, tribulation, and poverty (but you
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are rich); and I know the blasphemy of those who
say they are Jews and are not, but are a synagogue
of Satan. Do not fear any of those things which you
are about to suffer. Indeed, the devil is about to
throw some of you into prison, that you may be
tested, and you will have tribulation TEN DAYS . Be
faithful until death, and I will give you the crown
of life. He who has an ear, let him hear what the
Spirit says to the churches. He who overcomes
shall not be hurt by the second death.”‘”
The word “Smyrna” means something that
smells sweet. This second period of the church was
one of persecution and suffering, extending from
about A.D. 100 to about A.D. 313.
God does not enjoy seeing His people suffer,
but their faithfulness and loyalty under trial honors
the name of the Saviour who died for them. The
early Christians were generally poor people. James
says of them, “Has not God chosen the poor of this
world to be rich in faith and heirs of the kingdom
which He promised to those who love Him?”
James 2:5.)
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False brethren were a severe trial. The “Jews”
mentioned here were members who professed to
follow Christ, but who were in heart lovers of self
and of the world. These insincere converts made
trouble for those who chose to follow the footsteps
of Christ. They continually sought to bring in
heathen beliefs and customs to corrupt the faith.
The “ten days” of tribulation are a prophetic
period of time. Each day stands for a year (see
Numbers 14:34; Ezekiel 4:6, “I have laid on you a
day for each year”). The last and the most bloody
pagan persecution was under the Emperor
Diocletian between the years A.D. 303-313, which
ten years are a remarkable fulfillment of these “ten
days” of prophetic symbolic time.
Those who die for their faith in Christ need not
fear. The Lord will give them a “crown of life”
which is to be given at Christ’s appearing when the
Lord Himself shall descend from heaven, and the
dead in Christ shall rise first (see 2 Timothy 4:8
and 1 Thessalonians 4:16, 17). Some of God’s
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people today may suffer death. Let them not fear,
but trust in this promise.
The “first death” is not to be feared, for it is but
a “sleep.” “Do not fear those who kill the body but
can not kill the soul” (Matthew 10:28). The
“second death” is the one to be feared, for it is
eternal and hopeless, without any resurrection. The
“second death” is the final destruction of the lost
after the “thousand years” (see Revelation 20).Hi Berean,
Can you please just tell me (in your words) why
you believe the 2,300 year prophecy started
at the same time the 490 years started?”Hi Edj,
This is a big deal for me to explain the 2300 days/years prophecy”Hi Berean,
Please do so then.
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God bless
Ed JCarmel……there are many scriptures that show that, the return of God the Father , is what happens at the end of the thousand year rule of Jesus and the Saint’s , as shown in the book of Revelations. Scripture also show at the end Jesus will hand over his kingdom , which he is ruling over (the restored kingdom of King David) over to God and become subject to him as all the earth shall be, as
1 Cor 15:28 …..clearly shows.
God the Father , spoke through Jesus’ mouth these words,
Mat 23:37-39………O Jerusalem Jerusalem, you that killed the prophets and stone them which are sent unto you, how often would I have gathered your childern together as a hen gathers her chickens under her wings and you would not. Verse 38…..Behold you house is left unto you desolate. Verse 39….For I (GOD) say unto you , you shall not see me henceforth, till you shall say, blessed is he that comes in the name of the Lord.
That was not Jesus talking about himself , that was God the Father speaking to us through the mouth of Jesus, first person.
There are other scriptures that show this also.
Peace and love to you and yours. ……….gene
Hi Gene,
YOU:Carmel……there are many scriptures that show that, the return of God the Father
ME: Gene, there are no scripture which says that the Father returns!
THE FATHER WAS ETERNALLY IN THE SON, FROM THE VERY BEGINNING!
John1:11IN the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2The same was in the beginning with God.
YOU:Scripture also show at the end Jesus will hand over his kingdom !
THE ABOVE IS NOT THE RETURN OF THE FATHER.
JESUS’KINGDOM Gene WOULD BE MANIFESTED ALL PHYSICALLY IN
ALL CREATURES IN FLESH.
ALL REALMS IN HUMAN BODIES OF FLESH,
IN GLORIFIED SPIRITUAL/FLESH
THE NEW JERUSALEM, THE BRIDE!
PROVIDED BY GOD THE FATHER, IN ORDER FOR THE FATHER, SPIRIT, TO BE
ALL IN ALL.
ALL SPIRITUAL REALMS INCLUDING THE FATHER IN
ALL HUMAN FLESH,
ALL MANIFESTED PHYSICALLY IDENTICAL IN EVERY SENSE! IN
JESUS CHRIST!
1John 3:2 Behold what manner of charity
the Father hath bestowed upon us,
that we should be called, and should be the sons of God.
Therefore the world knoweth not us, because it knew not him.
JESUS CHRIST AS GOD!
2Dearly beloved,
we are now the sons of God;
IN THE SAME WAY JESUS CHRIST IS!
and it hath not yet appeared what we shall be.
We know, that, when he (GOD ALMIGHTY) shall appear,
we shall be like to him:
because we shall see him as
he is.
JESUS CHRIST!
THE ABOVE IS A CLEAR REFERENCE TO
GOD ALMIGHTY, SPIRIT,
EMBODIED IN
JESUS CHRIST,
WE IN ACTUAL FACT WILL LOOK AND SEE
JESUS CHRIST IN
THE FATHER’S GLORY!
MAN! FULLY LUMINOUS!
IDENTICAL TO ALL HIS CREATURES, ALL
CHRISTS! LUMINOUS LIKE THE FATHER IN CHRIST!
ALL SONS/DAUGHTERS OF GOD!
ANDROGYNOUS! MALE AND FEMALE!
Rev:21:1And I saw a new heaven and a new earth. For the first heaven and the first earth was gone, and the sea is now no more. (SATAN’S ABODE)
2And I John saw the holy city,
the new Jerusalem,
( THE NEW SPIRITUAL FLESH BODY)
coming down out of heaven from God,
prepared as a BRIDE adorned for her HUSBAND.
THE HUSBANDS ARE ALL CREATURES AS SPIRITS IN CHRIST!
THE HOLY GHOST, IN NEED OF THE PHYSICAL LUMINOUS BODY,
THE BRIDE PROVIDED BY THE FATHER IN
“THE WORD” JESUS, THE SON OF MAN! John17:1
3And I heard a great voice from the throne, saying:
Behold the tabernacle of God with men,
and he will dwell with them.
And they shall be his people; (HUMANS PHYSICALLY IDENTICAL
TO GOD ALMIGHTY)
and God himself with them shall be their God.
4And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes:
and death shall be no more, nor mourning, nor crying, nor sorrow shall be any more,
for the former things are passed away.
22And I saw no temple therein.
For the Lord God Almighty ATTENTION Gene:
is the temple thereof,
and the Lamb.
GOD ALMIGHTY IS THE LAMB! OBVIOUS IN
“THE WORD” JESUS THE SON OF MAN!!!
23 And the city (THE HUMAN BODY) hath no need of the sun, nor of the moon,
to shine in it.
HUMANS WILL NO LONGER BE CARRIERS OF THE LIGHT,
DECLARED BY JESUS:
YOU ARE THE LIGHT OF THE WORLD!
BUT THEY BECOME
THE LIGHT ITSELF!!!
For the glory of God hath
ENLIGHTENED IT (THROUGHOUT)
and the Lamb (“THE WORD” THE SON OF MAN, JESUS)
is the lamp thereof.
24And the nations shall walk in
the light of it:
and the kings of the earth shall bring their glory and honour into it.
IT IS A REFERENCE TO THE
NEW FLESH BODY
THE NEW JERUSALEM!
AS THE FIRST ONE
THE FIRST HUMAN BODY IN EVE!
THE WOMAN!
LUCIFER
REJECTED GOD!
YOU: Mat 23:37-39………O Jerusalem Jerusalem, you that killed the prophets and stone them which are sent unto you,
how often would I have gathered your childern together
ME: A REFERENCE TO EVE, THE WOMAN!
as a hen gathers her chickens under her wings and you would not.
ME: LUCIFER REJECTED GOD IN HEAVEN ONCE HE BECAME AWARE THAT GOD WOULD BECOME MAN BORN OF A WOMAN!
HE OPTED TO BE PRECISELY
THE WOMAN IN THE RACE FOR MANHOOD!
Verse 38…..Behold your house is left unto you desolate.
ME: YOUR HOUSE IS THE FLESH BODY OF THE WOMAN IN EVE!
Verse 39….For I (GOD IN JESUS CHRIST) say unto you , you shall not see me
( GOD IN JESUS CHRIST)
henceforth, till you shall say, blessed is he that comes in the name of the Lord.
ME: WHAT EXACTLY OCCURRED IN HELL WHEN JESUS CHRIST APPEARED IN HELL AFTER SATAN TOOK HIM TO HELL AND HE HIMSELF PROCLAIMED HIM
GOD AND LORD IN FRONT OF HIS ASSOCIATES!
YOU: That was not Jesus talking about himself ,
that was God the Father speaking to us through the mouth of Jesus, first person.
ME Gene, FOR GOD’S SAKE:
THERE’S NO DIFFERENCE BETWEEN
GOD THE FATHER AND JESUS.
THE FATHER IS GOD INVISIBLE
JESUS IS GOD VISIBLE
THE ONLY MANIFESTATION OF THE FATHER!
NO JESUS NO GOD, NO GOD NO JESUS!
WHEN WILL YOU GET IT INTO YOUR CARNAL MIND THAT
GOD IS A SPIRIT!
John 4:23 But the hour cometh, and now is,
AFTER JESUS GLORIFICATION ON THE CROSS!
when the true adorers shall adore the Father in
spirit and in truth.
THE ABOVE IS A CLEAR REFERENCE TO
JESUS CHRIST
IN THE HOLY GHOST,
SPIRIT, and
“THE WORD” THE SON OF MAN,
TRUTH!
For the Father also seeketh such to adore him.
24God is a spirit;
and they that adore him, must adore him
in spirit and in truth.
OUR LORD GOD JESUS CHRIST
WE HAVE TO ADORE JESUS CHRIST IN ORDER TO ADORE
GOD THE FATHER.
READ AND DISCERN THE TRUTH!
John14:7 If you had known me,
you would without a doubt HAVE KNOWN
my Father also:
and from henceforth you shall know him,
and you have seen him.
NOTICE ALL IN PRESENT PERFECT TENSE,
A CLEAR REFERENCE TO THE PAST,
JESUS’ PRE-EXISTENCE,
AS THE EMBODIMENT OF GOD, IN ONE GLORY WITH THE FATHER!
THE BODY WHICH GOD THE FATHER OCCUPIED
BEFORE THE WORLD WAS!
BUT NOT VISIBLE FOR ANYONE IN THE SPIRITUAL REALM!!!
SIMPLY, AS THEY HAD TO JUSTIFY THEIR LOYALTY TO GOD FOR A PROBATION PERIOD. THROUGH CREATION OF THE UNIVERSE!
NOW READ:
John17:10 And all my things are thine,
and thine are mine;
and I am glorified in them.
HOW ON EARTH YOU REMAIN SO BLIND???
JESUS PHYSICALLY
IS GLORIFIED IN ALL THINGS,
SPIRITUAL, OF THE FATHER!!!
SIMPLY AS JESUS ETERNALLY IS MANIFESTING
THE FATHER PHYSICALLY!
ON THE LAST DAY, WHEN THE FATHER WOULD BE
ALL IN ALL,
JESUS WILL HAND OVER HIS BODY TO
THE FATHER!WHILE JESUS RETURNS BACK IN HIS ORIGINAL STATE IN THE BOSOM OF THE FATHER!
BUT IN ACTUAL FACT,
ALL CREATURES WOULD SEE
JESUS CHRIST IN THE GLORY OF THE FATHER.
THE FATHER IS SPIRIT!
THE ONLY BODY HE WOULD OWN IS
JESUS’
Peace and love in Jesus Christ
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