Greek or Hebrew

[NickHassan]

Hi eliyah,
Did you really think I was unfamiliar with your verses and always need to look them up? You repeat so many that I have looked most of them up before anyway.

So Aramaic and Greek were the languages in common use at the time of Christ.

[Eliyah]

Nick, I already stated from the scriptures that Hebrew was predominant and the scriptures say they spoke in the Hebrew tongue or language, and I'm tired of your silly arguments against scriptural texts that say even Paul spoke in the Hebrew language, the Hebrew people spoke Hebrew.

Next you will even probably claim that the true Messiah was born Greek too?

I have to Laugh again, I just can't help it.

[NickHassan]

Hi eliyah,
Yes Paul spoke in greek and hebrew, though perhaps Aramaic was his mother tongue?

[Eliyah]

Nick, Paul was a Hebrew of the Hebrews by birth, and he was taught by Gamael, and those raised as Hebrews usually speak Hebrew, sounds fairly logical don't you think?

[NickHassan]

Hi eliyah,
Yes he would have read in Hebrew, but to converse with the locals outside the Synagogue he would have had to use the language of his culture-Aramaic.

[NickHassan]

ps I learned Latin and French at school but they weren't much use in the schoolyard.

[Eliyah]

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Yes he would have read in Hebrew, but to converse with the locals outside the Synagogue he would have had to use the language of his culture-Aramaic.

Ofcourse Nick, now that would be a true statement.

[david]

I also think this is connected to the “Jehovah–in the NT” thread.

[942767]

Hi All:

I found the following video on youtube, and I believe that it shows some pretty good evidence that the gospel of St. Matthew was originally witten in Hebrew, and apparently, there are some unpublished manuscripts of this gospel. I had prayed and asked God that if there was and original manuscript that would show that Matthew 28:19 had been altered, that it would come to the fore. This video does not give me that answer yet, but it is promising. It is quite long, and I hope that it is appropriate in this topic, but it not please move it where it would be appropriate. I was having difficulty understanding how to start an new topic under this category.

I had difficulty embedding the video, and so, if you would like to view the video, the title on Youtube is The Hebrew Yeshua vs The Greek Jesus by Nehemia Gordon.

Love in Christ,
Marty

[mikeboll64]

There you go, Marty. I'll watch when I get some time.

[942767]

Thanks, Mike.

[terraricca]

Quote (942767 @ June 20 2013,07:57)

Hi All: I found the following video on youtube, and I believe that it shows some pretty good evidence that the gospel of St. Matthew was originally witten in Hebrew, and apparently, there are some unpublished manuscripts of this gospel.  I had prayed and asked God that if there was and original manuscript that would show that Matthew 28:19 had been altered, that it would come to the fore.  This video does not give me that answer yet, but it is promising.  It is quite long, and I hope that it is appropriate in this topic, but it not please move it where it would be appropriate.  I was having difficulty understanding how to start an new topic under this category. I had difficulty embedding the video, and so, if you would like to view the video, the title on Youtube is The Hebrew Yeshua vs The Greek Jesus by Nehemia Gordon. Love in Christ, Marty

I have a copy of the Hebrew gospel of Matthew in English

that I got from the “amazon.ca “

[942767]

Quote (terraricca @ June 20 2013,15:21)

Quote (942767 @ June 20 2013,07:57) Hi All: I found the following video on youtube, and I believe that it shows some pretty good evidence that the gospel of St. Matthew was originally witten in Hebrew, and apparently, there are some unpublished manuscripts of this gospel.  I had prayed and asked God that if there was and original manuscript that would show that Matthew 28:19 had been altered, that it would come to the fore.  This video does not give me that answer yet, but it is promising.  It is quite long, and I hope that it is appropriate in this topic, but it not please move it where it would be appropriate.  I was having difficulty understanding how to start an new topic under this category. I had difficulty embedding the video, and so, if you would like to view the video, the title on Youtube is The Hebrew Yeshua vs The Greek Jesus by Nehemia Gordon. Love in Christ, Marty I have a copy of the Hebrew gospel of Matthew in English that I got from the “amazon.ca  “

Thanks Pierre, I did not know that this gospel was available in English. I will see if I can get a copy.

Love in Christ,
Marty

[terraricca]

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Quote (terraricca @ June 20 2013,15:21) Quote (942767 @ June 20 2013,07:57) Hi All: I found the following video on youtube, and I believe that it shows some pretty good evidence that the gospel of St. Matthew was originally witten in Hebrew, and apparently, there are some unpublished manuscripts of this gospel.  I had prayed and asked God that if there was and original manuscript that would show that Matthew 28:19 had been altered, that it would come to the fore.  This video does not give me that answer yet, but it is promising.  It is quite long, and I hope that it is appropriate in this topic, but it not please move it where it would be appropriate.  I was having difficulty understanding how to start an new topic under this category. I had difficulty embedding the video, and so, if you would like to view the video, the title on Youtube is The Hebrew Yeshua vs The Greek Jesus by Nehemia Gordon. Love in Christ, Marty I have a copy of the Hebrew gospel of Matthew in English that I got from the “amazon.ca  “ Thanks Pierre, I did not know that this gospel was available in English.  I will see if I can get a copy. Love in Christ, Marty

My pleasure ,

[mikeboll64]

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Quote (terraricca @ June 20 2013,15:21) I have a copy of the Hebrew gospel of Matthew in English that I got from the “amazon.ca  “ Thanks Pierre, I did not know that this gospel was available in English.  I will see if I can get a copy. Love in Christ, Marty

And what does Matthew 28:19 say in that version, Pierre?

[terraricca]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 21 2013,06:54)

Quote (942767 @ June 20 2013,07:52) Quote (terraricca @ June 20 2013,15:21) I have a copy of the Hebrew gospel of Matthew in English that I got from the “amazon.ca  “ Thanks Pierre, I did not know that this gospel was available in English.  I will see if I can get a copy. Love in Christ, Marty And what does Matthew 28:19 say in that version, Pierre?

hi Mike

well it only says,19. “GO” 20. and (teach)them to carry out all the things which I have commanded you forever .

but in verse 16 ;it says that Christ appears to his twelve apostles ;this I find odd for the least ,because they then were only 11,is this an error that went into printing

[mikeboll64]

Yeah, that is odd. In the Greek, it says “eleven disciples”.

And they didn't pick Matthias as the twelfth until after Jesus ascended. (Acts 1)

Definitely odd.

Hey Marty, what do you think about verse 19 in the Hebrew version of Matthew? It just says “Go”.

That is indeed interesting, huh? Nothing at all about “the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit”. Just “Go”.

[4Thomas]

Quote (terraricca @ June 20 2013,15:21)

Quote (942767 @ June 20 2013,07:57) Hi All: I found the following video on youtube, and I believe that it shows some pretty good evidence that the gospel of St. Matthew was originally witten in Hebrew, and apparently, there are some unpublished manuscripts of this gospel.  I had prayed and asked God that if there was and original manuscript that would show that Matthew 28:19 had been altered, that it would come to the fore.  This video does not give me that answer yet, but it is promising.  It is quite long, and I hope that it is appropriate in this topic, but it not please move it where it would be appropriate.  I was having difficulty understanding how to start an new topic under this category. I had difficulty embedding the video, and so, if you would like to view the video, the title on Youtube is The Hebrew Yeshua vs The Greek Jesus by Nehemia Gordon. Love in Christ, Marty I have a copy of the Hebrew gospel of Matthew in English that I got from the “amazon.ca  “

Hi Pierre,
Just noticed this, but its not a topic I follow due to limited time.
Just my 2 cents worth
I have never been able to find any truthful claim about any real Hebrew version, all of them are just translations from the greek. Or otherwise a translation from something else that was originally translated from the greek anyway. These hebrew translations were translated to hebrew to convert souls for those that could only speak hebrew [that my understanding from what I have read], I'm sure there has been other reasons too, hopefully all honest.

If our loving and merciful God lets his original new testament greek versions become corrupt, this doesn't say much for his truth. I believe God is merciful and judges when he looks into our heart and how we have handled what we believe is true or not. This is why we shouldn't judge people who abstain from eating meats and who are strict with their sabbath beliefts [7th dayers] as they do this becuase they love God and do this to honor him. I believe its a sin to do something if we think its wrong or untruthful if we believe it is wrong. So we can sin by eating meat if we do so believing it is wrong to eat meat [Even if its not really a sin for someone to eat]. I believe our heart convicts us and the in law of love is written on it and the Holy Spirit reminds us when we begin to cross is boundaries. Its important for the person with strong faith not to look down on the person with week faith in respect to eating fat or blood or pig meat.

I'm **very** careful with claims that people make who say the original greek is corrupt and we should only believe their special restored version. PLEASE if anyone is being told this by there pastor or leader etc test it and weigh your trust against your own thoughts and beliefts you have in your loving God.

On judgement day when I face Jesus he will know that I put my trust in his power, the power of “the Word/Son” to make sure his written word was not overcome by satan. I have full trust he will not condemn me for believing he is mighty to keep his word pure. Its amazing that all these revisions were hand written upto the printing press in the 16th centry.

Love and Life in the Son
Daniel

[942767]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 24 2013,05:55)

Yeah, that is odd.  In the Greek, it says “eleven disciples”. And they didn't pick Matthias as the twelfth until after Jesus ascended.  (Acts 1) Definitely odd.   Hey Marty, what do you think about verse 19 in the Hebrew version of Matthew?  It just says “Go”. That is indeed interesting, huh?  Nothing at all about “the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit”.  Just “Go”.

Hi Mike:

Yes, it is interesting, but I am not ready to accept that this is the original gospel of Matthew without doing some more research.

I thank Pierre for this information, and I do see that it is available from Amazon.

I just need some more manuscript and input from scholars who study these manuscripts.

I do feel certain that Matthew 28:19 was altered in order to substantiate the “Trinity doctrine”.  Jesus stated that all authority over heaven and earth had been given to him, and so, why would he then state “go and baptize in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost, and also, the Holy Ghost is God's Spirit, and not “a third person of a tri-une God”.

And so, I believe that I can state with certainty that it has been changed even without any supporting manuscripts, but I need documentation in order to show this to others.

Love in Christ,
Marty

[mikeboll64]

There is quite a bit of support that the current formula was added by later scribes.

And even if this Hebrew version wasn't the original Matthew, why would the scribe who copied it from the Greek all those years ago just up and alter the text to make it simply say “Go”? What would have been that scribe's motivation for removing all those other words?

Also, why did the disciples ALL baptize only in the name of Jesus, if he commanded them otherwise?

There are a lot of reasons to think the current 28:19 is spurious.

But the funniest thing about it is, if in fact certain Trinitarian scribes purposely changed it at some time in the past to support a Trinity Godhead, they didn't really think it through too well. Because even as it is, it surely doesn't say one single thing about any triune Godhead.

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