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Nick…..you would have us read this < and be not conformed to this world: but (YOU) transform and (YOU) renew your mind, that YOU may prove what is that good, and acceptable. (NICKS VERSION) leave GOD and Faith in Him OUT of the picture. Put the faith in your own works that will get you saved.
Now He thinks because we believe God and take Him for His word we are (COMMANDING HIM).
pure stupidity and a assumption on His part.Hi,
The transformation of our minds is by feeding on the Word of God.
Preferring speculation and human ideas opposes this change.Nick…..who gave you the power to know if its “HUMAN” reasoning or GOD”S spirit, If some one says something that is contrary to the word of God thats one thing but if not who are to decide if it's not of God, Did God make you a judge of who is speaking from the spirit or not. You take upon yourself great authority over God Heritage and what about your so called human reasons you give are we to assume yours are of God but ours are not.
Pure foolishness. None of us see it all, Paul said for we only see in part and that includes you also. Everyone opinions here are just as valid as yours are. If you can't produce scripture the specifically contradicts what someone is saying then why even respond negatively to what they say at all.
WE have ask you to back upo what you say about things and you time and time again just ignore our requests and when we present scripture you just ignore it as if it didn't exist.
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ July 13 2008,07:46) Nick…..you would have us read this < and be not conformed to this world: but (YOU) transform and (YOU) renew your mind, that YOU may prove what is that good, and acceptable. (NICKS VERSION) leave GOD and Faith in Him OUT of the picture. Put the faith in your own works that will get you saved. Now He thinks because we believe God and take Him for His word we are (COMMANDING HIM).
pure stupidity and a assumption on His part.
Hi Gene:You may disagree with Nick on some things, but the way that you are adressing him here is not right.
I certainly do not believe that Nick is saying that we should leave faith and God out of the picture or that we should put faith in our own works.
You need to be careful what you say is stupidity. You accuse him of judging, but if he is, you are doing the same.
942767…..You are right it just upsets me when i see people who think they can call imply false meanings to what others are saying as i have see Nick do here and not only to me but others also. He positions Himself as some kind of authority over GOD Hertiage, i find this offensive to all, not just me.
I will try to not address him at all any more. thanks 942767.
Hi,
We do challenge all teachings that do not align with Scripture.
You should not take it personally.Nick….. Does it line up with your doctrines or Scripture thats the question, If we say something and you say it does not align with Scripture, then you are under obligation to prove it, it is better you say nothing then to not show your proof where you say it does not line up scripture. In a debate you should not override what some one says without any proof . And i do take it personally when you infer things that i did not say or imply things i am not implying, i do take it personally.
I will still try not to respond to your posts though……..gene
Hi,
Scripture can be made to agree with many of the ideas of men.But we must listen to and be corrected by what is written.
Let the bread of life transform carnal minds to that of ChristHi Gene.
I sympathise with you and your frustration with Nick. I experience all the same things, false accusations, lies about what I said in previous posts, never quoting what scriptures he implies I have said, and changes the subject when proved wrong. Yet holding himself up as champion of scripture, even when showing him wrong many times. I find it best to just tolerate him, and move on.Blessings.
Hi brothers,
Be of good cheer no frustrations here. Remember one thing not to attack brothers personally that kills the interest in a brother to express his views.
Thanks
AdamQuote (chosenone @ July 13 2008,12:41) Hi Gene.
I sympathise with you and your frustration with Nick. I experience all the same things, false accusations, lies about what I said in previous posts, never quoting what scriptures he implies I have said, and changes the subject when proved wrong. Yet holding himself up as champion of scripture, even when showing him wrong many times. I find it best to just tolerate him, and move on.Blessings.
Chosenone…thanks Brother, i have come to that conclusion also.Love and peace to you and yours………gene
Hi,
We need to discern evil from good.
Since Adam ate from the tree all men know the difference.
Sadly confusion has arisen and now everywhere evil and rebellion is glorifiedIsaiah 5:20
Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!Quote (Theologian-and-Apologist @ July 14 2008,09:12) God made all that is good, until Satan corrupted humanity at the fall, evil is from the evil one.
And who made the “evil one”? Do we have another creator?Quote (Theologian-and-Apologist @ July 14 2008,09:12) God made all that is good, until Satan corrupted humanity at the fall, evil is from the evil one.
Amen to your post brother. However, the devil cannot do anything unless we, mankind, obey him.God Bless
Quote Without knowing evil or bad you can not understand the importance of good my friend. I don't have to eat garbage to appreciate fine food. I have never understood this line of reasoning, above.
The problem with this whole topic is that when people think of “evil” or the word “evil” they think of one thing. But that is not the only way at all that the word that is translated “evil” can be translated.
As Dk states: (where is he by the way)?
Quote In order to convey the correct thought in English, the very comprehensive Hebrew word ra‛ is variously translated as “bad,” “gloomy,” “ugly,” “evil,” “calamitous,” “malignant,” “ungenerous,” and “envious,” depending upon the context. (Ge 2:9; 40:7; 41:3; Ex 33:4; De 6:22; 28:35; Pr 23:6; 28:22) The Greek word ka‧kos′ may be defined as that which is (1) morally evil and (2) destructive; among the ways it has been translated are: “bad,” “evil,” “hurtful,” “injurious,” “wrong.” (Ro 7:19; 12:17; Col 3:5; Tit 1:12; Heb 5:14) The Hebrew verb qa‧lal′ means “call down evil upon. So if God creates a calamity for someone, or some group. Let's say he destroys all the wicked at armageddon. It certainly doom and gloom and according to the meaning of that Hebrew word “evil” for the ones who suffer punishment. But it is not “evil” as we understand and commonly use that word today.
Is a judge “evil” when he sentences punishment? Do we consider judges to be evil?
David ………There is no way you could know what good was if evil did not exist no more ten you could know what hot was without cold, nor, up without down, nor right without left, no in without out, nor clean without unclean, nor fast without slow, every thing we understand is with comparitive reasoning, thats how we learn and Good and evil are n different, the knowledge of them gives us wisdom and understanding and was in GOD'S plan all along, doesn't it say He knows the end from the beginning. Do you think he didn't know Eve and Adam would sin, He not only knew it, He planned it in order for us to experience good and evil first hand, so we can grow to hate evil and love the good. This can not be transfered to us magically or God would have done that, it MUST BE EXPERIENCED in order for it to work in us. If goodness could have been given us automatically then God would be the worst monster who ever lived by allowing all this evil to inflect us all, But God has did it for our ultimate Good. There IS purpose to this creation brother.
Peace to you………..gene
Quote And who made the “evil one”? Do we have another creator? A thief is not born a thief. They choose to become one. The angel who rebelled and came be called “Satan” (meaning opposer/resister) was not created as a resister, just as a thief is not born a thief.
Quote If goodness could have been given us automatically then God would be the worst monster who ever lived by allowing all this evil to inflect us all, But God has did it for our ultimate Good. There IS purpose to this creation brother. Of course there is purpose to this creation. But God did not purpose for their to be evil, wickedness, suffering, etc. These are not his will.
He allows them, because there is something much greater at stake, his name. Reproach and slander was brought upon his most holy name when the Devil (meaning “slanderer/liar”) accused God of holding something good back from adam and eve. Satan insinutated that they didn't have to listen to God and they'd be better off listening to themselves, going their own way.
Now, God could have destroyed them, but all of spirit creation was watching. Destroying them and Satan would have only demosntrated his power, not his justice or wisdom.
It would not have resolved the issue raised. Spirit creatures in the future could have also questioned him. No, this had to be settled.
God is allowing us to see how things go without him. God is allowing us to see how things go when we set up human rulerships.
I completely agree that all this wickedness and suffering is for our ultimate good. And it's often hard to understand. When a child has to go get a needle, he doesn't understand why he must undergo the pain, but the loving parent does understand. A little pain to prevent a lot of pain later.
It did not have to be this way. But, because of Adam's actions, and Satan's, this issue must be resolved, so that it is never raised again, so that rebellion does not step up a second time.
And at no time in the future, will anyone ever attempt to say that Jehovah is wrong, or that his way isn't right. Because all will know for certainty. Because every human government has been tried.
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