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Hello All,
“For YHVH your God is God of gods, and Lord of lords”
Scripture directly tells us that YHVH made Jesus a god and a lord, and that which is YHVH’s that YHVH made He gives to Jesus.
Deut 10:12 And now, Israel, what doth YHVH thy God require of thee, but to fear YHVH thy God, to walk in all his ways, and to love him, and to serve YHVH thy God with all thy heart and with all thy soul, 13 To keep the commandments of YHVH, and his statutes, which I command thee this day for thy good? 14 Behold, the heaven and the heaven of heavens is YHVH’S thy God, the earth also, with all that therein is. 15 Only YHVH had a delight in thy fathers to love them, and he chose their seed after them, even you above all people, as it is this day. 16 Circumcise therefore the foreskin of your heart, and be no more stiffnecked. 17 For YHVH your God is God of gods, and Lord of lords,
Psalms 82: 6 I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.
Exodus 7: 1 And YHVH said unto Moses, See, I have made thee a god to Pharaoh: and Aaron thy brother shall be thy prophet.
Deuteronomy 18: 17 And YHVH said unto me, They have well spoken that which they have spoken. 18 I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put MY WORDS in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I SHALL COMMAND him.
John 10:34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods? 35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken; 36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God? 37 If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not.
Let’s read this again, “I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.”
Jesus directly identifies himself as a god and a child of the most High, assuring these men that he was not saying that he was God, but that he was made a god by YHVH the God of gods.
YHVH promised to raise up a prophet from among brethren and He would put His words in his mouth and this prophet would obey all YHVH’s commands, therefore by such this prophet is a child of YHVH and made a god by YHVH.
To continue what the passages from the last post teach us,
As said, YHVH promised to raise up a prophet from among brethren and He would put His words in his mouth and this prophet would obey all YHVH’s commands, therefore by such this prophet is a child of YHVH and made thus a god by YHVH.
John 3:34 For he whom God hath sent speaketh the words of God: for God giveth not the Spirit by measure unto him.
Ezekiel 11:5 And the Spirit of the LORD fell upon me, and said unto me, Speak; Thus saith YHVH; Thus have ye said, O house of Israel: for I know the things that come into your mind, every one of them.
recall, “I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.” and “If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken”
Matthew 10:18 And ye shall be brought before governors and kings for my sake, for a testimony against them and the Gentiles. 19 But when they deliver you up, take no thought how or what ye shall speak: for it shall be given you in that same hour what ye shall speak. 20 For it is not ye that speak, but the Spirit of YOUR FATHER which speaketh in you.
Jesus is referencing his disciples as children of God speaking their Father’s words through His Spirit being upon them.
Jesus was raised up a prophet from among his brethren by YHVH, made a god by the Spirit of YHVH being upon him, a child of the most High, as he was given YHVH’s words to speak.
This child of YHVH was the only child begotten of the Spirit without measure to speak YHVH’s words.
John 1:32 And John bare record, saying, I saw the Spirit descending from heaven like a dove, and it abode upon him. 33 And I knew him not: but he that sent me to baptize with water, the same said unto me, Upon whom thou shalt see the Spirit descending, and remaining on him, the same is he which baptizeth with the Holy Ghost. 34 And I saw, and bare record that this is the Son of God.
THIS IS THE SON OF GOD, the one whom John witnessed receive God’s Spirit without measure. Jesus preached thereafter that the Spirit of YHVH was upon him because YHVH anointed him TO PREACH, YHVH SENT him to heal, to preach deliverance, to set at liberty them that are bruised.
The Anointed Jesus is he who is the Son of God,
Mark 1:1 The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God; …9 And it came to pass in those days, that Jesus came from Nazareth of Galilee, and was baptized of John in Jordan. 10 And straightway coming up out of the water, he saw the heavens opened, and the Spirit like a dove descending upon him: 11 And there came a voice from heaven, saying, Thou art my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:
Mark 14:61 But he held his peace, and answered nothing. Again the high priest asked him, and said unto him, Art thou the Christ, the Son of the Blessed? 62 And Jesus said, I am: and ye shall see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.
A MAN ANOINTED is the Son of God, and this man was the ONLY man begotten of the Spirit of YHVH without measure, making him a one of a kind child of the most High.
By that full measure of the Spirit he was made perfect learning obedience, for YHVH was holding his hand and keeping him, causing him to walk in all His ways so he would fulfill YHVH’s covenant, be for a light, set captives free.
Jodi…..I see that as referring to being God’s in a possive sense. like this, we are all God’s childern, because he is the one who brought us forth. He another words owns us as he does all of His creation, remember there was no lower case litters in the original scriptures , so there is no lower case God written in our scriptures. If we understand that , then the only way the text can be properly understood is if it was speaking in a possive sense. That is the way I see it Jodi. What do you think? , I also can see speaking the words of God can bring or put forth the presense of God, through his words. Interesting.
Peace and love to you and yours. ………gene
Hi Gene and All,
I might not be understanding you exactly as I am wondering what specific text you are speaking of?
Agreed that we are all God’s children as it is He that brought us forth, just as Paul says in Acts 17, by Him we live, move, and have our being and are thus His offspring. Also why in Luke 3 we read that Adam is the son of God in that same sense.
But then I understand our God to also be our Father in an individual personal sense through His mercy upon giving the fruits of His Spirit at measures to whom He wills and when He wills such gifts to be given.
As we are told, those who love have been born of God, born of His Spirit in love, and those who have godly wisdom have been born of God, born of His Spirit of wisdom. Our faith counts as our righteousness where we are thus worthy to obtain the promise of being made perfect, receiving the fullness of the Spirit, that faith is likewise to be born of God, born of the Spirit of faith.
So I see God as my Father in two ways, as my Creator where by Him I live, move, and have my being, and also by Him dwelling in me at whatever measure He begets me of His Spirit with. I live mortify any bad deeds and pray for more of God’s Spirit upon me that I may do good. My hope and faith is for Jesus Christ’s return where I know I will become joint heirs with him having the Spirit of the Father all in me causing me to be able to finally walk in all His ways.
Putting Psalm 82 together with what Jesus said in John 10 tells me that those whom the word of God comes, which they come through His Spirit being upon them, they are considered by God as gods (godlike) mighty in His word. Likewise because they have been given a measure of the Spirit they are considered a child of God in the manner of that Spirit that was given. This made me think just now of the saying “like father, like son”, or like the joke that a child must be the milk man’s son as he is nothing like his father. When a measure of God’s Spirit is upon us we are in the form of God in that measure, sharing the same character, and thus seen as His child having been born of an attribute of His character.
Without the full measure of the Spirit, God being all in, we are seen as dead, as sin is inevitable.
In Christ, the anointed Jesus given the full measure of the Spirit walking in all God’s ways, we see righteousness and thus in Christ we see eternal life.
Jodi, I agree with everything you have said, but my point was, us being called a God, as God is God, I really don’t think the term “you are God’s” was given to mean we are actually individual God’s, in a plural sense, I believe it is a reference to being a product of God, and therefore a possession of God the Fathers as in, belonging to him.
I think I recall Jesus said, “he called them God’s unto hum the word of God came” . In other word God the Father sent his words to his own people.
Don’t know if I am making myself clear.
Peace and love to you and yours. ………..gene
Scripture directly tells us that YHVH made Jesus a god…
No it doesn’t Jodi???
Chapter and verse please?
Hi Gene,
YOU:
I think I recall Jesus said, “he called them God’s unto hum the word of God came” . In other word God the Father sent his words to his own people.
ME: Yes you recalled correctly, that is the very verse I have been speaking directly about.
John 10:34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods? 35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken; 36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God? 37 If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not.
You said it perfectly “I believe it is a reference to being a product of God, and therefore a possession of God the Fathers as in, belonging to him.”
Hi Ed J,
Thanks for joining the discussion.
In John 10 Jesus is correcting and telling them that he is not God but he is considered by God as a god because the word of God came to him.
Why we see later God calling Jesus god,
Hebrews 1:8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom. 9 Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.
God also likewise called Moses a god, as most certainly the word of God came to him also. Out of all brethren whom God considered a god Jesus was anointed above his fellows.
Hi Ed J,
Thanks for joining the discussion.
In John 10 Jesus is correcting and telling them that he is not God but he is considered by God as a god because the word of God came to him.
Hi Jodi,
You are misunderstanding the verse: Jesus is not claiming GOD is calling him either “God” or ‘a god’.
That is why you refuse to accept the simple wording in the bible in other places that discounts this view.Hi Ed J,
Thanks for joining the discussion.
Why we see later God calling Jesus godHebrews 1:8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom. 9 Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.
Hi Jodi,
Take a look back to see what the writer of Hebrews is quoting:
“Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: the sceptre of thy kingdom is a right sceptre.
Thou lovest righteousness, and hatest wickedness: therefore God, thy God, hath
anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.” (Psalms 45:6-7)Once again GOD is not calling Jesus “O God” here, but is pointing out
instead that Jesus is establishing God’s everlasting kingdom here.Perhaps if you keep engaging me you will begin to see what the bible is actually teaching.
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God bless
Ed JSo you want to claim Jesus as ‘a god’ of some kind
– while at the same time –
taking his preexistent born connection to God away from him.How odd ???
Hi Ed J,
You: You are misunderstanding the verse: Jesus is not claiming GOD is calling him either “God” or ‘a god’.
ME: If the One True God says He calls people gods, then HE most certainly calls people gods.
He most certainly called MOSES a god, and Moses most certainly received God’s word.
Psalms 82: 6 I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.
John 10:34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods? 35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken; 36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God? 37 If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not.
Ed J, you are the one clearly trying to brake God’s word here, imo.
It couldn’t be more clear that Jesus is declaring himself not to be the One True God as they were trying to accuse him that he was saying that he was, he was correcting them and declaring himself to be that which God had said that had been written in scripture long ago, he was considered a god by the One True God for the word of God had came to him.
He then speaks of his sanctification and sending, which was the Spirit upon him, an anointing where he was SENT to preach God’s word.
He then references himself as a Son of God, which lines up perfectly with the old scripture that says that those who the One True God calls gods are His children.
Hi Ed J,
I believe you are lacking understanding to why and how it is that God would call people gods – elohiym.
Genesis 3:5 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.
gods – elohiym
rulers, judges
divine ones
angels
gods
(plural intensive – singular meaning)god, goddess
godlike one
works or special possessions of God
the (true) God
GodPslams 82:6 I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.
gods – elohiym
John 10:34 Jesus answered them,Is it not written inyour law, I said, Ye are gods? 35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken; 36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest;because I said, I am the Son of God? 37 If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not. 38 But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works: that ye may know, and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in him.
works or special possessions of God
Ed J, YHVH our heavenly Father is the One and Only True Elohiym, the only omnipotent -having unlimited power, and he alone is the SOURCE of powers.
ELOHIYM, in the mechanical translation of Genesis by Jeff Benner, means POWERS
False gods are fake they are called FALSE elohiym because they don’t actually have any powers.
Think about it. Why is any god believed to be a god and called a god? …BECAUSE OF THE SUPPOSED POWERS THEY ARE BELIEVED TO POSSESS.
YHVH is the ONLY true God because it is HE who is the ONLY TRUE SOURCE OF ALL POWERS.
Moses was not a fake elohiym (existing with powers) to Pharaoh, as YHVH gave him of His powers to perform His will.
Unto Pharaoh Moses was seen as an elohiym, one who was existing with powers.
Jesus to us likewise is an elohiym, one who exists with powers.
Moses and Jesus we see as existing with powers, being thus both seen as an elohiym BECAUSE YHVH was upon them, His powers were dwelling within.
Hi All,
“For YHVH your God is God of gods, and Lord of lords”
Scripture directly tells us that YHVH made Jesus a god and a lord, and that which is YHVH’s that YHVH made He gives to Jesus.
As I have already discussed that YHVH our God of gods who is likewise a Lord of lords made Jesus a god unto us, below we read YHVH had made Jesus both lord and Christ.
Acts 2:36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.
Who IS “that same Jesus”?
prior in the verse we read,
22 Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know: 23 Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain: 24 Whom God hath raised up, having loosed the pains of death: because it was not possible that he should be holden of it.
We likewise read what occurred unto this man who was approved of by God, that had been slain by the foreknowledge and determinate purpose of God,
30 Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne;
31 He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption. 32 This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses.
33 Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.
Jodi…..remember what It say , “that God did” through him, that’s key to this descussing I believe, God the Father I believe never gave the man Jesus his powers, he was “in” Jesus working through him, . JESUS acts as a “mediator” between God and man, as did Moses and all the prophets did, also. But none of that ever made them themselves a God.
Jodi, the LORD OUR GOD, told Moses he would act in place of him (GOD), but that never meant Moses was an actual God himself, I think that also applies to Jesus to. Jesus never said he was a God, he said he was the “son” of God. We are that also.
Remember it was the pharisees accusing him of saying he was a God, not Jesus saying that. But I think you already completely understand that. What I think is, EDJ, thinks you are trying to make Jesus out to be a God “himself” , I really don’t think you are actually saying that. We or Angels can be in GOD STEAD , AS HE USES US TO DO HIS WILL, that is shown through out scriptures, God the Father working through others to bring about his perposes here on earth. I think you and Edj are simply misunderstanding each other.
Edj, believes in only “one” GOD, and I believe you also do, as well as I.
Peace and love to you and yours. ………….gene
Hi Gene,
YOU:Remember it was the pharisees accusing him of saying he was a God, not Jesus saying that.
ME said prior: It couldn’t be more clear that Jesus is declaring himself not to be the One True God as they were trying to accuse him that he was saying that he was, he was correcting them and declaring himself to be that which God had said that had been written in scripture long ago, he was considered a god by the One True God for the word of God had came to him.
YOU:“that God did” through him, that’s key to this discussing I believe, God the Father I believe never gave the man Jesus his powers, he was “in” Jesus working through him,
ME: I agree that God was working through Jesus, as I have said many times, all that Jesus did was in obedience to God’s commands, all that he spoke and did was that which God was instructing him to do. Jesus was a messenger doing God’s work. However he was not a puppet, which I don’t think you believe that he was, but what you are saying kind of makes it sound like that. I see Jesus as a faithful servant.
Gene, was Jesus not being tested in the wilderness to use God’s powers for himself? To use the powers to make bread from stones?
Jodi…..when Satan tempted him, what was Jesus’ answers, “you shall not tempt, the “LORD YOU GOD” , JESUS KNEW FULL WELL The Father was “in” him doing the works “all” the works, including giving him the Faith he had also though the “spirit of truth”. Remember Jesus said he could do “nothing” of himself. I don’t think Jesus himself was being tempted, as much as the Spirit of God “in” him was being tired. It was about the power and Spirit of God “now”, (after him being anointed with it) that was being tested , but the Spirit prevailed. I do also agree that Jesus himself was tried and tempted at times, his human nature he was constantly put to death through the Spirit, remember as it says , “he that is “in” you is greater then he that is in the world. Jesus did overcome sin, but the question is “how” he did?, was it not by the power of the Holy Spirit of GOD THAT DWELT “IN” HIM?. The same thing applies to us.
I really don’t think we apart in what we both believe, I think Edj, might just have misunderstood you. Ì think he was thinking you were saying Jesus was a GOD “HIMSELF”. I know you do not believe he was.
Edj believes in one God, so do we, and so does Mike, and T8 , even though they may have a misconception of Jesus himself. They still believe I think that there is ONLY ONE TRUE GOD.
Peace and love to you and yours. ……….gene
Hi All,
Scripture “directly tells us” that YHVH made Jesus a god…
Hi Jodi,
You keep making this claim, but where is your PROOF?
Chapter and verses please ???
Hi Gene,
My understanding,
Jesus called Peter Satan/adversary for he had in his MIND the things of MEN.
Peter was being carnally minded, and as we are told to be carnally minded is death, that the carnal mind is at enmity against God, that the carnal mind is not subject to the law nor indeed can be. To be able to follow God’s command His Spirit must be dwelling in us, a fruit of His Spirit is self control.
Peter’s adversary was his own carnal mind and Jesus faced this same adversary in the wilderness upon his hunger. He had to face it again upon going to the cross.
The adversary that was speaking to him were adversarial thoughts that he had quickly denied, as God was holding his hand and keeping him for to be a light. Jesus “abolished in his flesh the enmity”. The carnal mind was no match for the power of God’s Spirit, through God he was able to condemn sin in the flesh.
Phil 3:19 Whose end is destruction, whose God is their belly, and whose glory is in their shame, who mind earthly things.
Jesus didn’t allow the thoughts aroused by his weak flesh to rule over him, he overcame them, only allowing God to rule over him.
Hi Gene,
My understanding,
Jesus called Peter Satan/adversary for he had in his MIND the things of MEN.
Yes Jodi,
the things of men is to have God save the carnal mind, and bring with it flesh and blood into the kingdom of God.
So I suggest you stop this thinking, and be transformed in the renewing of your mind!
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